Game Changer Wrestling Discussion Thread

[Dead2009]

GCW World Champion: Atticus Cogar
JCW World Champion: Billie Starkz
GCW Ultraviolent Champion: Matt Tremont
GCW Tag Team Champions: Bustah And The Brain

For discussions pertaining to GCW and it's sister show, JCW!​

 

[Rustin Cohle]

First time I heard of GCW was when Matt Cardona and Nick Gage the Bank-Addicted Drug Robber, Meth Head McGee, had that epic hardcore match....per the Tropes,

Awesome - Matt Cardona went from undercard WWE joke to beating Nick Fucking Gage for the GCW Championship, and he did it by beating Gage in the latter's signature Deathmatch. Of note was Cardona's white singlet turning absolutely crimson red with all the glass shards that sliced through his body.

YMMV - As Matt Cardona, he recently became one again after defeating Nick Gage in Gage's signature deathmatch and becoming GCW Champion. Detractors didn't like it that a former mainstream WWE stooge came in and took the title from a folk hero like Gage, while other at least respect Cardona for actually fighting through a deathmatch and bleeding buckets for the win.

Yes, the former WWE star known as Zack Ryder took on the king of deathmatch in his own backyard and won. #AlwayzReady

 

[Dead2009]

GCW Lights Out

Spoiler

Singles Match
Hunter Drake defeats Gino Rivera (8:15)

Tag Team Match
Dark Sheik & Effy defeat Fuego Del Sol & Sam Stackhouse (13:05)

Singles Match
Danhausen defeats Broski Jimmy (8:12)
Singles Match
Joey Janela defeats JKM (9:55)

Eight Man Tag Team Match
Brayden Toon, Bruce Wayans, Dorian Maddox & Jeffrey John defeat Dave Cole, Johnny Casanova, Manny Lemons & Ocean Avery (6:36)

Singles Match
Zilla Fatu defeats Cole Radrick (9:06)

Singles Match
Man Like DeReiss defeats Allie Katch (8:43)

GCW World Title Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats Jordan Oliver (17:14)
Death Match
Nick Gage defeats Orin Veidt (15:12)

GCW Hit Em' Up

Spoiler

Singles Match
Jordan Oliver defeats Broski Jimmy (7:15)

Singles Match
Megan Bayne defeats Sandra Moone (10:55)

Singles Match
Sidney Akeem defeats Jack Cartwheel (10:52)

Singles Match
Viva Van defeats Man Like DeReiss (10:20)

Three Way Match
Zilla Fatu defeats Bobby Flaco and Hunter Drake (6:54)

Six Way Scramble Match
1 Called Manders defeats Brayden Toon and Jordan Cruz and Mr. Danger and Rob Shit and Sam Stackhouse (9:43)

Tag Team Match
Los Macizos (Ciclope & Miedo Extremo) defeat The Stoner Brothers (Rick Scott Stoner & Scott Rick Stoner) (9:04)

Singles Match
Danhausen defeats Kylie Rae (10:13)

Six Man Tag Team Match
Thrussy (Allie Katch, Dark Sheik & Effy) defeat Bodhi Young Prodigy & Gahbage Daddies (Alec Price & Cole Radrick) (8:03)

GCW World Title Match
Mance Warner (c) vs. Joey Janela - No Contest (26:52)

The other GCW show will be posted tomorrow

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Danhausen defeats Broski Jimmy (8:12)

Glad to see the clown still winning....

Joey Janela defeats JKM (9:55)

They let Jelly Nutella win?

Nick Gage defeats Orin Veidt (15:12)

And Meth Head McGee wins again....

1 Called Manders defeats Brayden Toon and Jordan Cruz and Mr. Danger and Rob Shit and Sam Stackhouse (9:43)

They need to give Manders a shot at GCW's top belt sometime down the road....

Danhausen defeats Kylie Rae (10:13)

I miss seeing Kylie Rae (a/k/a Smilin' Kylie from her time over in NWA)....

Mance Warner (c) vs. Joey Janela - No Contest (26:52)

Thank God Jelly Nutella didn't win!

 

[Dead2009]

There were 2 GCW shows over the last few days that I missed and forgot to post the results lol

GCW Backyard Wrestling 6

Spoiler

Singles Match
KJ Styles (Kerry Morton) defeats Sean Henderson (6:18)

Singles Match
Claude Marrow Jr. defeats Emanon (5:38)

Singles Match
Brian Johnson defeats Atom (Adam Gault) (9:30)

Three Way Death Match
JJ Allin defeats Dr. Redacted and Tarzan Duran (13:24)

Six Man Tag Team Match
Jordan's Team (Charlie Tiger, Jordan Oliver & Matthew Jaeger) defeat Crew (Everest, Kurt Bale & Lance Scaper) (11:02)

Singles Match
Mister Jay (Jay Sawyer) defeats Lil Skittle (9:17)

Singles Match
Vampyro defeats Lucky 13 (16:49)

GCW Worst Behavior

Spoiler

Four Way Match
Jack Cartwheel defeats Charlie Tiger and Harlon Abbott and Marcus Mathers (11:26)

Singles Match
Megan Bayne defeats Jody Threat (8:28)

Singles Match
Gringo Loco defeats Galeno Del Mal (14:44)

Singles Match
Mike Bailey defeats Kerry Morton (11:55)

Tag Team Match
The Bollywood Boyz (Gurv Sihra & Harv Sihra) defeat Gahbage Daddies (Alec Price & Cole Radrick) (11:14)

Singles Match
Gabe Kidd defeats Joey Janela (13:05)

Singles Match
Jordan Oliver defeats Charles Mason (13:02)

Six Man Tag Team Match
BUSSY (Allie Katch & Effy) & Masha Slamovich defeat Green Phantom, PCP Crazy F'N Manny & Sexxxy Eddy (9:03)

GCW Tag Team Title Match
Violence Is Forever (Dominic Garrini & Kevin Ku) (c) defeat Dynasty (Jaxon Roy & Sway Archer) (w/Mikey Truth) (7:02)

Non Title Hardcore Match
Blake Christian vs. Mance Warner - No Contest (24:12)

 

[Rustin Cohle]

KJ Styles (Kerry Morton) defeats Sean Henderson (6:18)

Kerry Morton now wrestles in GCW? When did that happen?

Mike Bailey defeats Kerry Morton (11:55)

Dude, you were set in the NWA; why leave?

Gabe Kidd defeats Joey Janela (13:05)

Couldn't happen to a nicer Nutella....

 

[Dead2009]

GCW Believe Me

Spoiler

Singles Match
Shane Mercer defeats Nate Webb (9:16)

Singles Match
Bobby Flaco defeats Facade (w/Dani Mo) (9:01)

JCW Title Match
Masha Slamovich (c) defeats Cole Radrick (11:46)

Singles Match
Sam Stackhouse defeats Hunter Drake (5:20)

Singles Match
Effy defeats Sean Ross Sapp (9:36)

Singles Match
Hoodfoot defeats Broski Jimmy (8:38)

Singles Match
Billie Starkz defeats Rachel Armstrong (11:05)

Tag Team Match
1 Called Manders & 2 Tuff Tony defeat The Rejects (John Wayne Murdoch & Reed Bentley) (16:01)

GCW World Title Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats Myron Reed (24:12)

GCW So High

Spoiler

Tag Team Match
Los Desperados (Arez & Gringo Loco) defeat Bang And Matthews (August Matthews & Davey Bang) (13:01)

Hardcore Match
1 Called Manders defeats Broski Jimmy (6:35)

Singles Match
Galeno Del Mal defeats Jack Cartwheel (10:21)

Singles Match
Zilla Fatu defeats Sam Stackhouse (10:10)

Singles Match
Sidney Akeem defeats Myron Reed (10:54)
Tag Team Match
Cole Radrick & Effy defeat The Rejects (John Wayne Murdoch & Reed Bentley) (8:10)

Five Way Scramble Match
Hunter Drake defeats Bobby Flaco and Camaro Jackson and Ken Broadway and Morgan Dash (7:54)

Tag Team Match
Megan Bayne defeats Shane Mercer (10:55)

GCW World Title Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats Hoodfoot (22:35)

GCW Don't Tell Me What To Do

Spoiler

Tag Team Match
Bang And Matthews (August Matthews & Davey Bang) defeat Bobby Flaco & Hunter Drake (10:37)

Singles Match
Myron Reed defeats Jack Cartwheel (11:20)

Tag Team Match
The Rejects (John Wayne Murdoch & Reed Bentley) defeat 1 Called Manders & Cole Radrick (6:53)

Four Way Match
Count Noctis vs. Dex Royal vs. Morgan Dash vs. Rachel Armstrong - No Contest (6:25)

Tag Team Match
Blake Christian & Shane Mercer defeat Effy & Joey Janela (11:21)

Singles Match
Galeno Del Mal defeats Arez (11:36)

Singles Match
Zilla Fatu defeats Hoodfoot (8:59)

Singles Match
Nate Webb defeats Broski Jimmy (10:08)

GCW World Title Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats Megan Bayne (16:01)

Forgot to post the results from the shows the last 3 days lol

 

[Rustin Cohle]

1 Called Manders & 2 Tuff Tony defeat The Rejects (John Wayne Murdoch & Reed Bentley) (16:01)

I had to re-read that 'cause I thought former NWA world champion Trevor Murdoch was wrestling there....

1 Called Manders defeats Broski Jimmy (6:35)

C'mon, GCW, drop your top title on good ole' Manders....

 

[Dead2009]

There were 2 GCW shows this weekend outside of Summerslam lol heres the results

GCW Now and Forever

Spoiler

Tag Team Match
Bang And Matthews (August Matthews & Davey Bang) defeat CPF (Danny Black & Joe Lando) (8:39)

Singles Match
Allie Katch defeats Sonny Kiss (7:00)

Singles Match
Sidney Akeem defeats Gringo Loco (10:37)

Singles Match
Zilla Fatu defeats Joshua Bishop (10:50)

Six Man Tag Team Match
Lucha Guys (Arez, Galeno Del Mal & Jack Cartwheel) defeat Young Dudes (Alec Price, Dustin Waller & Marcus Mathers) (11:08)

Singles Match
Effy vs. Raj Dhesi - No Contest (13:15)

Four Way Match
1 Called Manders defeats Isaiah Broner and Parrow and Sam Stackhouse (8:20)

Non Title Match
Cool Ass Andy vs. Mance Warner - No Contest (1:01)

Non Title Match
Mance Warner defeats Matthew Justice (18:06)

Tag Team Match
Blake Christian & Shane Mercer defeat Los Macizos (Ciclope & Miedo Extremo) (7:26)

GCW Extreme Title Match
Maki Itoh (c) defeats John Wayne Murdoch (5:51)
Singles Match
Matt Hardy vs. Nick Gage - No Contest (14:01)

GCW Can I Trust You?

Spoiler

Tag Team Match
Alec Price & Marcus Mathers defeat CPF (Danny Black & Joe Lando) (10:18)

Singles Match
Griffin McCoy defeats Tony Deppen (11:23)

Tag Team Match
Fuego Del Sol & Sam Stackhouse defeat The Rich And Powerful (Charles Mason & Richard Holliday) (w/Parrow) (9:15)

Six Man Tag Team Match
Los Desperados (Arez, Gringo Loco & Jack Cartwheel) defeat Mane Aerial Sat (Aerial Van Go, Jay Lyon & Joel Maximo) (w/Skill The Great & The Spot Monkey) (13:07)

Death Match
1 Called Manders defeats Matt Tremont (9:26)

GCW World Heavyweight Title Pick Your Poison Match
Blake Christian defeats Masha Slamovich (11:19)

GCW Extreme Title Match
Maki Itoh (c) defeats Allie Katch (8:32)

Tag Team Hardcore Match
Janelasus (Joey Janela & Megan Bayne) defeat Broski Jimmy & Mance Warner (14:39)

Tag Team Match
The Legion Of Rot (Frightmare & Hallowicked) defeat Los Macizos (Ciclope & Miedo Extremo) (10:46)

Singles Match
Mike Bailey vs. Raj Dhesi - No Contest (16:20)

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Allie Katch defeats Sonny Kiss (7:00)

Effy vs. Raj Dhesi - No Contest (13:15)

So that's where the former Jindal Mahal went off to....

1 Called Manders defeats Isaiah Broner and Parrow and Sam Stackhouse (8:20)

They need to put a belt on Manders' soon....

Matt Hardy vs. Nick Gage - No Contest (14:01)

C'mon Broken, it can't be that hard to beat Methhead McGee, the Bank-Addicted Drug Robber...

1 Called Manders defeats Matt Tremont (9:26)

Like I said, GCW should give Manders a title at some point....

 

[Dead2009]

 

[Dead2009]

GCW's been running their Japan PPV tour and here are the results

DDT/GCW Never Ending Noisy Story

Spoiler

Eight Man Tag Team Match
Schadenfreude International (Chris Brookes & Takeshi Masada), Maki Itoh & Marcus Mathers defeat Ilusion, Masha Slamovich, Yuki Ueno & Yuni (15:02)

Tag Team Match
Allie Katch & Dark Sheik defeat Antonio Honda & Kazuki Hirata (10:30)

Tag Team Match
DAMNATION T.A (Daisuke Sasaki & KANON) defeat Broski Jimmy & Rina Yamashita (12:36)

Tag Team Match
Burning (Tetsuya Endo & Yuki Iino) defeat 1 Called Manders & Gringo Loco (14:47)

Singles Match
Danshoku Dino vs. Effy - No Contest (9:48)

GCW World Title Three Way Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats Joey Janela and Shunma Katsumata (18:26)

DDT Universal Title Match
MAO (c) defeats Alex Zayne by referee's decision (8:17)

GCW The Sky Is The Limit

Spoiler

Singles Match
Miyu Yamashita defeats Broski Jimmy by referee's decision (7:17)

GCW Extreme Title Match
Maki Itoh (c) defeats The Great Sasuke (11:49)

Singles Match
Joey Janela defeats Marcus Mathers (19:37)

Six Man Tag Team Match
Thrussy (Allie Katch, Dark Sheik & Effy) defeat Aja Kong, MAO & Masashi Takeda (10:17)

Singles Match
Danhausen defeats Kikutaro (10:43)

Tag Team Match
Masha Slamovich & Rina Yamashita defeat Gringo Loco & Violento Jack (18:39)

GCW World Title Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats 1 Called Manders (22:47)

GCW You Only Die Once 2024

Spoiler

JCW Title Match
Masha Slamovich (c) defeats Marcus Mathers (15:20)

Tag Team Match
Allie Katch & Dark Sheik defeat Kaya Toribami & Shoko Nakajima (10:14)

Singles Match
Tetsuya Endo defeats Gringo Loco (14:53)

Singles Match
Rina Yamashita defeats 1 Called Manders (13:23)

Six Way Match
Andreza Giant Panda defeats Broski Jimmy and Danhausen and Effy and Joey Janela and Kikutaro (9:29)

GCW World Title Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats Takayuki Ueki (21:03)

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Danshoku Dino vs. Effy - No Contest (9:48)

Mance Warner (c) defeats Joey Janela and Shunma Katsumata (18:26)

Glad to see the peanut gallery doing what they do best - looking up at the lights.

Joey Janela defeats Marcus Mathers (19:37)

Jelly Nutella won? What the ?

Danhausen defeats Kikutaro (10:43)

Masha Slamovich (c) defeats Marcus Mathers (15:20)

Masha's one of those wrestlers who was made to play the heel character and, alongw/Natalia Markova over in the NWA, can play it to perfection...

 

[Dead2009]

Well I don't know if Janela took the pin in that match lol, Cagematch doesn't specify, just who wins and loses. I didn't get to watch the shows themselves cause I didnt know they were on.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Well I don't know if Janela took the pin in that match lol

Either way, Jelly Nutella lost.

 

[Dead2009]

I forgot to post the results from last weekend but fuck it gonna do it anyway lol

GCW Homecoming Night 1

Spoiler

Singles Match
Zilla Fatu defeats Matthew Justice (9:23)

Singles Match
Sidney Akeem defeats Tony Deppen (9:48)

Tag Team Match
Brandon Kirk & Kasey Catal defeat Los Macizos (Ciclope & Miedo Extremo) (9:47)

Death Match
Big F'n Joe defeats John Wayne Murdoch (6:20)

Non Title Match
Masha Slamovich defeats Galeno Del Mal (10:14)

Six Man Tag Team Match
1 Called Manders & Thrussy (Dark Sheik & Effy) defeat Raj Dhesi & The Bollywood Boyz (Gurv Sihra & Harv Sihra) (14:16)

Singles Match
Danhausen defeats UltraMantis Black (7:37)

Four Way Match
Megan Bayne defeats Jordynne Grace and Sawyer Wreck and Vipress (10:45)

Death Match
Drew Parker defeats Brandon Kirk (6:25)

Six Man Scramble Match
Alec Price defeats Dustin Waller and Fuego Del Sol and Griffin McCoy and Jack Cartwheel and Mr. Danger (10:34)

GCW World Title Four Way Ladder Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats Blake Christian and Joey Janela and Matt Cardona (32:05)

GCW Homecoming Night 2

Spoiler

Singles Match
Jack Cartwheel defeats Griffin McCoy (9:27)

Singles Match
Galeno Del Mal defeats Tony Deppen (10:18)

Hardcore Match
Mike Bailey defeats Zilla Fatu (17:14)

Hardcore Match
Fuego Del Sol (w/Sam Stackhouse) defeats Charles Mason (w/Parrow & Richard Holliday) (13:21)

Hardcore Match
John Wayne Murdoch defeats Alec Price (9:44)

JCW Title Match
Masha Slamovich (c) defeats Megan Bayne (14:08)

GCW Tag Team Title Death Match
Violence Is Forever (Dominic Garrini & Kevin Ku) (c) defeat Los Macizos (Ciclope & Miedo Extremo) (7:51)

Six Man Tag Team Death Match
Brandon Kirk, Hoodfoot & Matt Tremont defeat Bad Boy Killer Krew (Big F'n Joe, Drew Parker & Lou Nixon) (13:02)

Eight Man Tag Team Match
1 Called Manders, Sawyer Wreck & Thrussy (Dark Sheik & Effy) defeat The Bob Squad (Bobby Flaco, Brayden Toon, Hunter Drake & Mr. Danger) (7:33)

Tag Team Match
Joey Janela & Matt Hardy defeat Deathmatch Royalty (Broski Jimmy & Matt Cardona) (w/Steph De Lander) (20:03)

 

[Dead2009]

GCW Bad One

Spoiler

Singles Match
Alec Price defeats Arez (10:16)

GCW Tag Team Title Match
Violence Is Forever (Dominic Garrini & Kevin Ku) (c) defeat The Pillars (Malcolm Monroe III & Tommy Vendetta) (9:41)

Singles Match
Maki Itoh defeats Kylie Rae (9:23)

Singles Match
Gringo Loco defeats Man Like DeReiss (10:53)

Singles Match
Megan Bayne defeats Brooke Havok (11:29)

Singles Match
Ciclope defeats Blake Christian (12:45)

Six Man Tag Team Match
Thrunt (1 Called Manders, Dark Sheik & Effy) defeat 2 Tuff Tony, Breyer Wellington & Mad Man Pondo (w/Violent J) (10:19)

Death Match
Sawyer Wreck defeats Crazy King (8:49)

Death Match
John Wayne Murdoch defeats Dr. Redacted (12:16)

GCW World Title Match
Mance Warner (c) vs. Danhausen - No Contest (8:17)

Tag Team Match
Bad Boyhausen (Danhausen & Joey Janela) defeat Deathmatch Royalty (Broski Jimmy & Mance Warner) (14:10)

GCW Tha G-Code

Spoiler

Tag Team Match
To Infinity And Beyond (Cheech & Colin Delaney) defeat The Pillars (Malcolm Monroe III & Tommy Vendetta) (13:11)

JCW Title Match
Masha Slamovich (c) defeats Man Like DeReiss (14:57)

Four Way Match
Sawyer Wreck defeats Brooke Havok and Dark Sheik and Maki Itoh (7:54)

Singles Match
Zilla Fatu defeats Gringo Loco (15:41)

Singles Match
Vince Valor defeats Breyer Wellington (3:05)

Singles Match
Alec Price defeats Marcus Mathers (17:40)

Singles Match
Joey Janela defeats Danhausen (19:37)

Tag Team Match
2 Tuff Tony & Violent J defeat High Seas (Cloudy & Nick Ando) (7:36)

Six Man Tag Team Match
1 Called Manders, Effy & Megan Bayne defeat Deathmatch Royalty (Broski Jimmy, Mance Warner & Matt Cardona) (18:47)

 

[Dead2009]

GCW Aura

Spoiler

Singles Match
Alec Price defeats Griffin McCoy (10:27)

Singles Match
Bobby Flaco defeats Jeffrey John (7:25)

Singles Match
Brooke Havok defeats Tasha Steelz (7:47)

Singles Match
Sidney Akeem defeats Arez (10:55)

Singles Match
Effy defeats Greg Excellent (11:20)

Singles Match
Mike Bailey defeats Ruckus (9:01)

Singles Match
Homicide defeats Marcus Mathers (18:55)

Tag Team Match
Joey Janela & Megan Bayne defeat Brandon Kirk & Broski Jimmy (14:32)

GCW World Title Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats Tony Deppen (15:47)

Hardcore Match
Matt Tremont defeats SLADE (8:46)

GCW Back to Back

Spoiler

Singles Match
Bobby Flaco defeats Aerial Van Go (6:11)

Singles Match
Brooke Havok defeats Broski Jimmy (5:57)

Singles Match
Richard Holliday (w/Parrow) defeats Marcus Mathers by DQ (12:41)

Singles Match
SLADE defeats Tony Deppen (5:32)

Singles Match
Effy defeats Griffin McCoy (10:35)

GCW Tag Team Title Match
Violence Is Forever (Dominic Garrini & Kevin Ku) (c) defeat Miracle Generation (Dustin Waller & Kylon King) (9:58)

Singles Match
Blake Christian defeats Sidney Akeem (13:10)

GCW World Title Lumberjack Strap Match
Mance Warner (c) defeats Joey Janela (20:08)

Singles Match
Megan Bayne defeats Matt Cardona (12:20)

Death Match
Brandon Kirk defeats Matt Tremont (11:47)

 

[Dead2009]

GCW Fight Club Night One: The Art of War Games results

Spoiler

GCW Tag Team Title Match
Violence Is Forever (Dominic Garrini & Kevin Ku) (c) defeat Grim Reefer & Ruckus (7:32)

Singles Match
Alec Price defeats Gringo Loco (9:46)

JCW Title Match
Masha Slamovich (c) defeats Kerry Morton by DQ (12:22)

Singles Match
Sidney Akeem defeats Leon Slater (12:12)

GCW Title #1 Contendership Hardcore Six Way Scramble Match
Ciclope defeats 2 Tuff Tony and Bam Sullivan and John Wayne Murdoch and Lou Nixon and Mr. Danger (12:08)

Singles Match
Cole Radrick defeats Blake Christian (12:24)

GCW Ultraviolent Title Death Match
Brandon Kirk defeats Rina Yamashita (c) (12:36) - TITLE CHANGE !!!

War Games Match
Deathmatch Royalty (Broski Jimmy, Mance Warner & Matt Cardona) & Bully Ray defeat Team GCW (1 Called Manders, Effy, Joey Janela & Matthew Justice) (27:50)

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Catching up on GCW results..... 🔬

Effy defeats Greg Excellent (11:20)

I see Jelly Nutella's distaff counterpart won....

Homicide defeats Marcus Mathers (18:55)

Now Homicide just needs to beat Genocide to complete the -cide Sweep....

Richard Holliday (w/Parrow) defeats Marcus Mathers by DQ (12:41)

I saw him wrestle, @Dead2009, agst. EC3 over in Exodus Pro for the NWA World's Championship; that was a damn good match.
In a sane wrestling world, he's a likely future holder of Sweet Charlotte....

Megan Bayne defeats Matt Cardona (12:20)

Oh @PGen98.... *points above* Edge's Bitch lost...

Masha Slamovich (c) defeats Kerry Morton by DQ (12:22)

I like Kerry Morton but seeing him get his ass whooped by Masha Slamovich is pretty damn satisfying.....

Deathmatch Royalty (Broski Jimmy, Mance Warner & Matt Cardona) & Bully Ray defeat Team GCW (1 Called Manders, Effy, Joey Janela & Matthew Justice) (27:50)

Someone should remind Manders that this is what happens when you wrestle alongside jerkoffs like Effy and Jelly Nutella.....