Global Warming?

[Skillet]

I was listening to the news today, and studies have actually proven that temperatures have went down in the past 10 years. I was listening to the radio, so cant find a direct source for this.. I'm looking.. (630 CHED)



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/j ... 12-months/

Here's a relevant source.



So what are your views on Global Warming? Just a way for many people to get rich.. (Dole, Suzuki..)



Or it actually something we should worry about?





I think you know where I stand. Debate and discuss.

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

I heard its over Australia which is why they tend to get skin cancer a lot.

 

[Skillet]

I heard its over Australia which is why they tend to get skin cancer a lot.

What's over Australia? The ozone hole?

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

yeah

 

[Skillet]

There's also evidence to believe that the hole is shrinking from previous years.

The ozone hole over Antarctica actually shrunk last year. At its maximum, the hole covered an area of about 9.2 million square miles in 1999, down from the 1998 total of 10.5 million square miles.

- http://web.riverdeep.net/current/2000/0 ... hole.jhtml



And with awareness, the percentage of skin cancer patients has went down, as people are buying more sunscreen, using hats, and not keeping their bodies exposed.

- (Same source.)

 

[Blake]

I read this article about how they think scientist lied about global warming is all a lie~

http://www.wnho.net/global_warming.htm

What do you think?

 

[Skillet]

I merged your thread with the other global warming one =]

 

[Tales]

I think you have to ask someone from the Maldives to see if Global warming is true or not.

 

[Temerit]

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/scientific_evidence.htm

 

[Skillet]

Well, this year here has been record cold. We've had two weeks of -40 temperatures. Global warming wouldn't be bad.

No, in all seriousness, I have read a lot about that we're actually in a cooling stage. The sun is a star, and the rays change. There are flares, and times of less energy produced, not global warming.

 

[akiratheoni]

I think that whether global warming exists, green technology is the way to go. It'll save more money in the long run whether we really are saving the environment or not.



With that said, I do think global warming exists. Although the Climategate scandal may push some doubts onto the legitimacy of climate change studies, I still think there is a reasonable amount of evidence to prove that man-made climate change is occuring.

 

[Skillet]

I think that whether global warming exists, green technology is the way to go. It'll save more money in the long run whether we really are saving the environment or not.



With that said, I do think global warming exists. Although the Climategate scandal may push some doubts onto the legitimacy of climate change studies, I still think there is a reasonable amount of evidence to prove that man-made climate change is occuring.

On the flip side, I could show you reasonable evidence to show you that it is not. How do you know which side to believe? I find it hard with both just giving you stats. One says something, the other uncovers it was a lie. In global warming, it has been known to work on both sides. Look at where all the documents from the 80's went on this. They were all saved on floppy discs, and somehow were destroyed. All the evidence for global warming from that time span.



Here's an article that states hundreds of confidential emails and documents say the earth is cooling.



http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/j...n-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/



This is from Hawaii:

 

[akiratheoni]

There's a name for the confidential emails that were leaked, and I mentioned it above; it's called Climategate, and climate change skeptics have used it in an attempt to discredit all scientific organizations who are pro-man made climate change and as a result, man made climate change as a whole.



I just stumbled across this blog, which clarifies one of the more questionable emails from Climategate:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/11/i-read-through-160000000-bytes-of.html



I think the key point is:

Incidentally, 2009 is shaping up to be the 5th warmist year on record, according to the conspiracists at NASA.

Which links to: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/



But all the debate aside (even though I do believe climate change exists, I don't particularly care what the end result is), my strongest belief about this is that I think the possibility or prospect of man made climate change should be a motivator to produce more efficient products and services, such as green computing and more energy efficient automobiles.

 

[Skillet]

Essentially what's happened is we've gone into an El Nino, she added, referring to a natural weather pattern which drives abnormal warming in the eastern Pacific Ocean and can unleash wider havoc in global weather.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B71SO20091208



Global warming isn't to blame, rather natural weather phenomenon.

 

[akiratheoni]

I've read several articles on this subject from different sources and that's the only article that implies that the cause of 2009's increase in temperature is simply cyclical.



I'll admit that I don't have a lot of knowledge in global warming so I'm doing a lot of my research as I continue on. But it's really time consuming =/ So I don't even know why I'm debating this; as I've said before, I don't care at all what the actual end result is, I just believe that even the debate of climate change should change the way that we do business.

 

[Scout]

Some scientists argue that the Earth is going through Global Cooling instead of a warming effect. I'm not sure what to believe, but I do know that whatever the case, be it cooling or warming, the temperature is changing.

 

[civilwarrocks]

global warming is real, man made global warming is a lie. It is an attempt to control the individual by creating an emotional tie to personal choices (dieing polar bears anyone?) & attaching morality to business choices. The fact is that the Earth's climate exists in stages. Even if I was incorrect (which I'm not) the refusal by global warming believers to allow debate is unacceptable. The fact that enviromentalists like Al Gore are attempting do silence dissent is proof that they themselves are not certain.

 

[Sam.]

You guys ever heard of an ICE AGE?



How did we get in and out of ice ages before our 'atmosphere dangerous' technology?

 

[Jonathan]

I think that whether global warming exists, green technology is the way to go. It'll save more money in the long run whether we really are saving the environment or not.

Agreed.



I think global warming is just part of a cycle that the Earth undergoes.