Israel Floods Gaza

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Actually it is quite accurate.

 

[identityissues8]

I'd like to request he actually read my post too.

Perhaps the argument is too complex for him to understand?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I'd like to request he actually read my post too.

Perhaps the argument is too complex for him to understand?

Nope, you are just simply wrong. The hate is stronger then the actual facts of history.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How Jews Came to Live Under Arab Rule[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jews' presence in what are now Arab lands long predates Islam and the Arab conquest of the Middle East. Jews first arrived in ancient Babylonia in 586 B.C.E. as captives of Nebuchadnezzar's conquest of the Kingdom of Judea, in which he destroyed the first Jewish Temple. The exile community of Babylonia (later to become Iraq) became the center of world Jewry, the site of the two great academies of Jewish learning at Sura and Pumbeditha. These academies produced the Babylonian Talmud, which forms the core of Judaism as it is practiced today. After his conquest of Babylonia some 50 years later, King Cyrus of Persia allowed Jews to return to Palestine to rebuild their sacked kingdom. However, significant Jewish communities remained in Babylonia, Persia, and throughout the Middle East, maintaining an unbroken Jewish presence for 2,500 years until the establishment of the State of Israel (Schleifer, 2003; Stillman, 1979).[/font]​

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By the time of Muhammad's birth, Jews had lived in the Arabian peninsula for centuries and were assimilated into Arab society, but still seen as a separate group. Arab society was organized into tribes, and the Jewish community also comprised three dominant tribes, which had formed alliances with different warring Arab tribes. Some of these Arab tribes welcomed Muhammad to Medina in the hope that he would arbitrate their disputes, and Muslim sources attribute their readiness to accept Islamic monotheism to their familiarity with Jewish monotheism (Stillman, 1979).[/font]​

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]However, once Arabs began to follow Muhammad, their alliances with Jews - a group that would not accept the prophet - became strained. When Muhammad finally gained political power, he quickly moved against those who had rejected him. He ordered the weakest of the three Jewish tribes, the Banu Qaynuqa, to leave Arabia, sparing their lives only at the behest of the Arab tribe they were once allied with, and confiscating their property. After a military setback, Muhammad exiled the second tribe, the Banu l-Nadir, which was later massacred by Muslim forces and their property confiscated. Although the third tribe, the Banu Qurayza, tried to surrender, and their former Arab allies pleaded for mercy for them, Muhammad condemned the men to death and the women to slavery, calling it Allah's decision. The mass slaughter that ensued solidified Muhammad's strength as a leader (Stillman, 1979; Ye'Or, 1985).[/font]​

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]To avoid massacre, the Jews remaining in Khaybar agreed to pay protection money in return for personal safety, setting a legal precedent for the treatment of Jews and other non-Muslims in Muslim lands: they could remain in safety as long as they remained subordinate and paid tribute to the Muslim community. This eventually became codified as a writ of protection (dhimma) and the minority religions bound by this agreement became known as dhimmis (Stillman, 1979; Ye'Or, 1985). (The relationship of Islam to its dhimmis will be explored in more depth in a later section.)[/font]​

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The new Muslim leadership expelled the remaining Jews in Arabia soon after Muhammad's death, when their money and labor were no longer needed. However, the Jewish community of Babylonia remained prominent, having gradually spread to surrounding areas both before and later during the Arab conquest, led by the geonim who were recognized as international authorities on Jewish law equal to the geonim of Palestine. By the end of the tenth century Jewish communities existed in almost every major city in Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and North Africa (Stillman, 1979).[/font]​

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The high point of Jewish life in Arab lands occurred between 900 and 1200 C.E., with the flourishing of the Islamic empire. Whenever the surrounding Muslim society did well, non-Muslims shared in the prosperity and were treated better, even allowed to participate in government and public life. When times were hard, minority religions were more oppressed and excluded. After the ninth century, political and civil disorder in what is now Iraq caused the Jewish community there to decline, with intellectuals moving west toward the more stable lands of the Mediterranean. Thus, the Jewish communities of North Africa and Moorish Spain moved into prominence. Tunisia first became a major center of religious scholarship, followed by Egypt. The Jewish community reached its zenith in Moorish Spain, with the achievements of Maimonides, the physician, scholar, and philosopher, and poets such as Hasday ibn Shaprut, Judah Halevi, Solomon ibn Gabirol, and Samuel HaNagid. This period was referred to as the "Golden Age" for its flowering of Jewish poetry and culture, but Muslims, who saw their own poetry as their greatest cultural heritage, regarded Jewish accomplishments as an affront. In 1066 the poet Abu Ishaq of Elvira wrote a poem that captured this growing resentment, proclaiming that Jews had violated their subordinate status and assuring Muslims that it would not be a sin to attack them. He called for the overthrow of Samuel HaNagid's son Joseph, who had succeeded him as a leader of the Jewish community. Later that year, a mob assassinated Joseph and crucified him on the city's gate, then razed the Jewish quarter of Granada and massacred its inhabitants. The remaining Jews were caught between growing pressures from warring Christian and Muslim forces (Lewis 1984; Stillman, 1979).[/font]​

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This "Golden Age" came to an end in the late twelfth century, with the capture of Islamic Spain by the Almohads, a fanatic Berber sect from Morocco, who forced Jews and Christians to convert to Islam and who drove many Jews into Christian Spain or the Middle East. There followed a long period of increasing religious rigidity in the Arab world, with growing oppression of Jews and other religious minorities.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Ottoman conquest in the sixteenth century brought some relief to Jews in Arab lands, as they were initially welcomed into civil society and their talents appreciated. The Jewish population of Palestine grew to approximately 10,000 at this time. Jews in Arab provinces lived for a time in prosperity and relative security, though this declined when central Ottoman control of these provinces weakened and Islamic conservatism grew (Stillman, 1979).[/font]


READ MORE OF THE ACTUAL FACTS.

http://www.peacewithrealism.org/jewarab2.htm

 

[+paradox]

arab people were in that area before the "jewish" people...

and lets be honest, the "jews" over there now and that are in power aren't related to those jews back the old times...

there's no proof of a blood line...

being jewish is religious status...

being a jew means that you were born or live in jewislum...

being jewish has nothing to do with race or a blood line...

jewish people were welcomed to palestine by the only people the were in that area and were claiming that land because the people of jewish faith were being hunted and killed, but the arab people opened their arms to them and the jewish people back stabbed the people that accepted them, just like how the jewish people back-stabbed the englishmen, the germans, the french people and the russians... so many people and nations ran off the people of the jewish faith not because of their faith, because they were back-stabbers, cheaters, liars and theieves...

that's real history right there...

but to make you feel better, it's just a human being instinct to lie, steal, kill and back-stab...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

arab people were in that area before the "jewish" people...

and lets be honest, the "jews" over there now and that are in power aren't related to those jews back the old times...

there's no proof of a blood line...

being jewish is religious status...

being a jew means that you were born or live in jewislum...

being jewish has nothing to do with race or a blood line...

jewish people were welcomed to palestine by the only people the were in that area and were claiming that land because the people of jewish faith were being hunted and killed, but the arab people opened their arms to them and the jewish people back stabbed the people that accepted them, just like how the jewish people back-stabbed the englishmen, the germans, the french people and the russians... so many people and nations ran off the people of the jewish faith not because of their faith, because they were back-stabbers, cheaters, liars and theieves...

that's real history right there...

but to make you feel better, it's just a human being instinct to lie, steal, kill and back-stab...

Not correct.

n discussing Jerusalem, history matters. In weighing ostensibly competing claims to the city, it must be recalled that the Jewish people bases its claim to Jerusalem on a link which dates back millennia. Indeed, Jerusalem has served as the capital of independent Jewish states several times over the past 3,000 years, including since 1948; it has never served any Arab state -- at anytime in history -- in such a capacity, and a Palestinian claim to Jerusalem was not articulated prior to 1967.

The observation that, "Jerusalem is holy to three religions," tends to mislead, since Jerusalem is holy to Jews, Muslims and Christians in fundamentally different ways. Jerusalem contains sites holy to Muslims and Christians, and is one of many locations of religious significance to them. To Jews, however, it is the city itself which is uniquely holy; only Jews have a religious prescription to live there, to make pilgrimages there and to pray in its direction.
Israel has advanced a coherent case, based upon the precepts of international law, for sovereignty over Jerusalem. The Palestinians, for their part, have failed to offer any legal grounds in support of their claim to the city. Their claim seems to be based solely on their desire to possess it.
HISTORY
Jewish Continuity in Jerusalem
Throughout history, the Jewish People has maintained a presence in Jerusalem, ever since King David established the city as his capital nearly 3,000 years ago. Except for a very few periods, when they were forcibly barred from living in the city by foreign conquerors, Jews have always lived in Jerusalem. It is for this reason that Jews regard the city as their national center. Indeed, it is the centrality of the connection with Jerusalem -- Zion -- which led the modern Jewish movement for national liberation to be called Zionism. Throughout millennia, and in the face of conquest, forced exile, violence and discrimination, Jews have maintained their direct link to Jerusalem, returning to live in their city again and again.
The Jewish national and religious tie to Jerusalem was first established by King David and Solomon, his son, who built the first Temple there. This First Commonwealth lasted over 400 years, until the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem and exiled the Jewish inhabitants of the city. Immediately following the Persian defeat of the Babylonians, the Jews returned to Jerusalem less than 100 years later, rebuilt their Temple and reestablished the Jewish character of the city.
For the next 500 years, the Jews further strengthened their presence in Jerusalem, surviving various attempts by foreign empires to destroy their national and religious identity. Greeks, Seleucids and Romans took turns in conquering the city, forbidding Jewish religious practices and encouraging the Jews to assimilate into the dominant culture. Several times, the Jews were forced to take up arms in order to preserve their liberty and heritage.
Only after the Second Temple was destroyed by Rome in 70 AD, and a subsequent Jewish revolt was crushed in 135 AD, was the Jewish presence in the city temporarily suspended, following the killing or enslavement of the Jewish population by the Romans.
By the 4th century, some Jews had managed to make their way back to the city. In the 5th century, under early Christian rule, Jews were, at various times, either more or less free to practice their religion. At this time, few non-Christian communities remained in the country, apart from the Jews. Theodosius II (408-450) deprived the Jews of their relative autonomy and their right to hold public positions. Jewish courts were forbidden to sit on mixed Jewish-Christian cases and the construction of new synagogues was prohibited. Jews were forbidden to enter Jerusalem except on one day a year, to mourn the destruction of the Temple.
At the beginning of the 7th century, the Jews looked to the Persians for salvation. Hoping to be permitted to worship freely once the Byzantine oppression had been removed, the Jews encouraged the Persians' conquest of Acre and Jerusalem, and a Jewish community was subsequently allowed to settle and worship in Jerusalem (614-17), though it was later expelled. Under early Arab rule, a Jewish community was reestablished in Jerusalem and flourished in the 8th century. Jews were even among those who guarded the walls of the Dome of the Rock. In return, they were absolved from paying the poll-tax imposed on all non-Muslims. In the 10th and 11th centuries, however, harsh measures were imposed against the Jews by the Fatimids, who seized power in 969. Though the Jewish academy (Yeshiva) of Jerusalem was compelled by Caliph Al-Hakim to reestablish itself in Ramle, entry to Jerusalem was revived by the "Mourners of Zion", Diaspora Jews who did not cease to lament the destruction of the Temple. This movement, which held that "aliyah" -- ascent to the Land -- would hasten the resurrection of Israel, was at its peak in the 9th-11th centuries. Many Jews came from Byzantium and Iraq and established communities.
The Crusader period in the 12th century brought terrible massacres of Jews by Christians, and the prohibition against living in Jerusalem. After the conquest of the country by Saladin late in the century, the Jewish community in Jerusalem again grew considerably.
In 1211, three hundred rabbis from France and England immigrated as a group, many settling in Jerusalem. After the Mamluks took power in 1250, the famous Rabbi Moshe ben Nahman (Nahmanides), traveled from Spain and settled in Jerusalem.
Jewish communities existed in Jerusalem throughout the Middle Ages, though under economic stress, and religious and social discrimination. During this period, the Jews in the city were supported in large measure by the tourist trade, commerce and contributions from Jews abroad (Europe, the Mediterranean countries and North Africa), who did what they could to help maintain the center of the Jewish People. The Expulsion from Spain and Portugal, in the late 15th century, led to an influx of Jews into the Land, including Jerusalem.
The 16th and 17th centuries were times of economic hardship for the Jews, during which the population of Jerusalem was somewhat reduced. By the end of the 17th century, however, Jerusalem again emerged as the largest central community of the Jews in the Land. Large numbers of Jews immigrated in the 18th century as a result of the messianic-Shabbatean movement, many coming from Eastern and Central Europe, Italy, and other places. Even so, the majority of Jews in the Land in the 17th and 18th centuries were Sephardic Jews, descendants of those expelled from Spain, and immigrants from Turkey and the Balkan countries.
During the 19th century, immigration increased and the establishment of the modern Zionist movement revitalized the Jewish community throughout Israel. Jerusalem, which in 1800 numbered about 2,000 Jews (out of a total population of 8,750), grew to 11,000 by 1870 (out of 22,000), and 40,000 (out of 60,000) by 1905. It is the political, cultural and religious center of the State of Israel and of the Jewish People around the world.


READ THE REST OF THE FACT HERE.

http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/jerusalem/jerusalem3.htm

 

[Webster]

*looks back and forth between Justice and Liberty* Justice, admit it: you're wrong on this issue. Israel's got a far stronger claim to the land, for historical, cultural and legal reasons than does anyone else....period, end of story.

 

[+paradox]

*looks back and forth between Justice and Liberty* Justice, admit it: you're wrong on this issue. Israel's got a far stronger claim to the land, for historical, cultural and legal reasons than does anyone else....period, end of story.

i'm sorry @webster but that's completely fallacy and the truth is everything in my posts above, period...

 

[Webster]

*looks back and forth between Justice and Liberty* Justice, admit it: you're wrong on this issue. Israel's got a far stronger claim to the land, for historical, cultural and legal reasons than does anyone else....period, end of story.

i'm sorry @webster but that's completely fallacy and the truth is everything in my posts above, period...

...I feel like I'm arguing with a sign-post here....

 

[+paradox]

*looks back and forth between Justice and Liberty* Justice, admit it: you're wrong on this issue. Israel's got a far stronger claim to the land, for historical, cultural and legal reasons than does anyone else....period, end of story.

i'm sorry @webster but that's completely fallacy and the truth is everything in my posts above, period...

...I feel like I'm arguing with a sign-post here....

it's not my fault that you believe in people's opinions over truth...

and @"true liberty" probably doesn't read or watch what he posts has much as he should...

 

[Webster]

*looks back and forth between Justice and Liberty* Justice, admit it: you're wrong on this issue. Israel's got a far stronger claim to the land, for historical, cultural and legal reasons than does anyone else....period, end of story.

i'm sorry @webster but that's completely fallacy and the truth is everything in my posts above, period...

...I feel like I'm arguing with a sign-post here....

it's not my fault that you believe in people's opinions over truth...

and @"true liberty" probably doesn't read or watch what he posts has much as he should...

No, I simply go by the history as its' written...and it very much supports Israel's side, not yours, my friend...

 

[+paradox]

*looks back and forth between Justice and Liberty* Justice, admit it: you're wrong on this issue. Israel's got a far stronger claim to the land, for historical, cultural and legal reasons than does anyone else....period, end of story.

i'm sorry @webster but that's completely fallacy and the truth is everything in my posts above, period...

...I feel like I'm arguing with a sign-post here....

it's not my fault that you believe in people's opinions over truth...

and @"true liberty" probably doesn't read or watch what he posts has much as he should...

No, I simply go by the history as its' written...and it very much supports Israel's side, not yours, my friend...

no, you're going by what other people think history is...

 

[Webster]

*looks back and forth between Justice and Liberty* Justice, admit it: you're wrong on this issue. Israel's got a far stronger claim to the land, for historical, cultural and legal reasons than does anyone else....period, end of story.

i'm sorry @webster but that's completely fallacy and the truth is everything in my posts above, period...

...I feel like I'm arguing with a sign-post here....

it's not my fault that you believe in people's opinions over truth...

and @"true liberty" probably doesn't read or watch what he posts has much as he should...

No, I simply go by the history as its' written...and it very much supports Israel's side, not yours, my friend...

no, you're going by what other people think history is...

Isn't that what history is, my friend?

 

[+paradox]

*looks back and forth between Justice and Liberty* Justice, admit it: you're wrong on this issue. Israel's got a far stronger claim to the land, for historical, cultural and legal reasons than does anyone else....period, end of story.

i'm sorry @webster but that's completely fallacy and the truth is everything in my posts above, period...

...I feel like I'm arguing with a sign-post here....

it's not my fault that you believe in people's opinions over truth...

and @"true liberty" probably doesn't read or watch what he posts has much as he should...

No, I simply go by the history as its' written...and it very much supports Israel's side, not yours, my friend...

no, you're going by what other people think history is...

Isn't that what history is, my friend?

history is what actually happened in the past, not fallacy, half truths and lies that you think is history because you agree with it...

and this: http://offtopix.com/showthread.php?tid=34589&pid=467288#pid467288

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

*looks back and forth between Justice and Liberty* Justice, admit it: you're wrong on this issue. Israel's got a far stronger claim to the land, for historical, cultural and legal reasons than does anyone else....period, end of story.

i'm sorry @webster but that's completely fallacy and the truth is everything in my posts above, period...

...I feel like I'm arguing with a sign-post here....

it's not my fault that you believe in people's opinions over truth...

and @"true liberty" probably doesn't read or watch what he posts has much as he should...

Wrong about your guess and certainly wrong about history. But people out there have to be wrong about history so they can continue there hate against the Jews. And it is working splendidly across the planet.

Judaism’s presence in the Arabian peninsula before the birth of Islam was strongly established. Many tribes/clans were Jewish, established in locations such as Yathrib (the future Medina) or Khaybar, and had strong socio-political and commercial relations with other tribes.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was strongly influenced by his encounters with Jews and Christians before and after the beginning of his prophecy. As the Islamic doctrine was gradually established, not only did he insist on the direct continuity of his message from Judaism and Christianity, there were also many gestures towards Judaism not only in spiritual terms but also through rites like: fasting (especially before Ramadan was established), prayers (towards Jerusalem in the beginning), dietary rules about pork meat, etc.
The relationship between Jewish tribes (there wasn’t a single Jewish community) and the early Muslim community was driven by a complex mix of: theological proximity (as they had common practices, prayed to the same God, referred to the same Prophets), rivalry (theological differences, the fact that prophet Muhammad pbuh was not seen as a prophet by most Jews, and his growing successes made him and his emerging Ummah grow more confident and autonomous), as well as political alliances and political conflicts that resulted in moments of cooperation but also conflicts such as the fate of the Banu Qurayza or the battle of Khaybar.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2015/02/jews-and-muslims-its-complicated-ii/

 

[identityissues8]

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[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Webster, do you even have your own arguments, or do you just follow TRUE LIBERTY like a puppy?
Serious question?

Like, you're basically following him off a cliff here. You're allowing him to make you look just as stupid as he does.

If you read his blog you will know this A silly question.

 

[identityissues8]

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[+paradox]

If he's just calling for crusades and quoting you, I'm not interested.

exactly...

and no one is hating the "jews: here, just going with true history instead of fallacy that most people believe about israel and the "jewish" people...

and bringing up hate? @"true liberty", it seems like you're the one that's spreading hatred in this forum and elsewhere with your false accusations and lies about history...

facts...

people were on the land first, the "jewish" people then illegally took land from others and written history to make them look like the good guys just like how america did with the natives here...

it's not rocket science to understand here...

when israel declared their independence, they attacked the locals first and kicked them off of their lands, only after that the arab community got involved like they should because they were going against the unjust of israel...

these fake "jewish" people today have no claim to anything nor a bloodline to anyone in the past...

being a jew or "jewish is not a bloodline nor a nationality, judaism is a religion... but israel is zionist not "jewish"...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Now they are fake Jewish people. Lol! Along with made up history the hate has no boundaries I see.

 

[identityissues8]

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