Kansas to join states allowing concealed guns without permit

[Jazzy]

Kansas to join states allowing concealed guns without permit

Kansas is poised to join a handful of other states that allow their residents to carry concealed firearms without a permit after the Legislature gave final approval Wednesday to a bill backed by the National Rifle Association.

Kansas would become the fifth state to allow concealed carry without a permit everywhere within its borders, according to the NRA.

"Carrying a gun is a lifestyle," said Republican Rep. Travis Couture-Lovelady. "The government should trust its citizens."

The House approved the bill Wednesday on an 85-39 vote. The Senate passed it last month, but a House committee made a technical change that senators had to review. The Senate signed off, 31-8, about two hours after the House's vote.

State law has long allowed people to carry firearms openly without requiring training, and backers of the bill said gun owners have shown they are responsible with their firearms.

"Kansans already have two documents granting them the right to concealed carry — the Constitution of the United States and the Kansas Constitution," Couture-Lovelady said. "That should be all they need."

Thoughts about not having to have a permit and no longer requiring training for everyone who wants to carry concealed?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

More liberty!

 

[Sinon]

More school shootings, hurray

 

[Jazzy]

Kansans already have two documents granting them the right to concealed carry — the Constitution of the United States and the Kansas Constitution

Can anyone show me where in the Constitution of the United States it grants the right to concealed carry? I can't seem to find it. Perhaps it only exists in the mindless who believe it.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

More school shootings, hurray

More people saving there own lives. Hurray!
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Kansans already have two documents granting them the right to concealed carry — the Constitution of the United States and the Kansas Constitution

Can anyone show me where in the Constitution of the United States it grants the right to concealed carry? I can't seem to find it. Perhaps it only exists in the mindless who believe it.

It's says you have the right bare arms. It is up to the states not the federal government for them to choose if they allow open carry or concealed or both. But they have to allow one or the other.

 

[Dee]

I don't particularly think that needing a permit is a loss of a freedom, just a means of keeping track of who's carrying weapons and giving states the ability to track that person down if 1) their weapon is stolen, 2) illegally purchased, or 3) used in a crime. This is a step backwards, honestly.

 

[Webster]

Kansans already have two documents granting them the right to concealed carry — the Constitution of the United States and the Kansas Constitution

Can anyone show me where in the Constitution of the United States it grants the right to concealed carry? I can't seem to find it. Perhaps it only exists in the mindless who believe it.

It's says you have the right bare arms. It is up to the states not the federal government for them to choose if they allow open carry or concealed or both. But they have to allow one or the other.
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Kansas is allowing concealed carry w/out permits? This is good news, this is damn good news on the liberty front....now can we make it apply in all 50 states - including California the People's Republic of California?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I don't particularly think that needing a permit is a loss of a freedom, just a means of keeping track of who's carrying weapons and giving states the ability to track that person down if 1) their weapon is stolen, 2) illegally purchased, or 3) used in a crime.  This is a step backwards, honestly.

To not be tracked and documented if I carry concealed or not by anyone is a freedom gained. It was a few years ago some leftist loony released the names and addresses of thousands of people who have concealed weapon permits in Florida. No thank you I will take my chances our law enforcement can do there jobs without knowing if I am carrying or not.

 

[Dee]

I don't particularly think that needing a permit is a loss of a freedom, just a means of keeping track of who's carrying weapons and giving states the ability to track that person down if 1) their weapon is stolen, 2) illegally purchased, or 3) used in a crime.  This is a step backwards, honestly.

To not be tracked and documented if I carry concealed or not by anyone is a freedom gained. It was a few years ago some leftist loony released the names and addresses of thousands of people who have concealed weapon permits in Florida. No thank you I will take my chances our law enforcement can do there jobs without knowing if I am carrying or not.

Yes and you can apply this to several things: use your credit card at Home Depot?  Boom, security breach.  Sell a scanner on Craigslist?  Someone digs up the data, boom, information breach.  Hack into some business's/hospital's/etc database?  Yikes, you're screwed.  I'd MUCH prefer to know that people had to take measure to carry a weapon than to be able to just buy one and walk around with it without having to jump through some hoops, but hey, that's just me.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I don't particularly think that needing a permit is a loss of a freedom, just a means of keeping track of who's carrying weapons and giving states the ability to track that person down if 1) their weapon is stolen, 2) illegally purchased, or 3) used in a crime.  This is a step backwards, honestly.

To not be tracked and documented if I carry concealed or not by anyone is a freedom gained. It was a few years ago some leftist loony released the names and addresses of thousands of people who have concealed weapon permits in Florida. No thank you I will take my chances our law enforcement can do there jobs without knowing if I am carrying or not.

Yes and you can apply this to several things: use your credit card at Home Depot?  Boom, security breach.  Sell a scanner on Craigslist?  Someone digs up the data, boom, information breach.  Hack into some business's/hospital's/etc database?  Yikes, you're screwed.  I'd MUCH prefer to know that people had to take measure to carry a weapon than to be able to just buy one and walk around with it without having to jump through some hoops, but hey, that's just me.

Very true but that is not government possibly tracking me.

 

[Dee]

I don't particularly think that needing a permit is a loss of a freedom, just a means of keeping track of who's carrying weapons and giving states the ability to track that person down if 1) their weapon is stolen, 2) illegally purchased, or 3) used in a crime.  This is a step backwards, honestly.

To not be tracked and documented if I carry concealed or not by anyone is a freedom gained. It was a few years ago some leftist loony released the names and addresses of thousands of people who have concealed weapon permits in Florida. No thank you I will take my chances our law enforcement can do there jobs without knowing if I am carrying or not.

Yes and you can apply this to several things: use your credit card at Home Depot?  Boom, security breach.  Sell a scanner on Craigslist?  Someone digs up the data, boom, information breach.  Hack into some business's/hospital's/etc database?  Yikes, you're screwed.  I'd MUCH prefer to know that people had to take measure to carry a weapon than to be able to just buy one and walk around with it without having to jump through some hoops, but hey, that's just me.

Very true but that is not government possibly tracking me.

The government and businesses who work for/with themselves and the government are going to track you unless you live in the woods with nature and no luxuries of life.  Hell, you're screwed because you have a birth certificate (I'm assuming).  What I just don't understand is why so many people take such an aversion to possible government intervention for some things (in which case it would also be for safety), but allow others to take down their personal information when they know full well it's being passed around like your common whoor and can EASILY be used to track you down and interfere in your life.  That's not to say I'll allow government intervention in all aspects of my life, but I'm not a hypocrite about it when it comes to protecting my "freedom". In this case, it isn't telling you you're not allowed to own guns; not unless you're a convicted felon, but rather just making it difficult for people who don't need to have weapons by making them jump through hoops.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I don't particularly think that needing a permit is a loss of a freedom, just a means of keeping track of who's carrying weapons and giving states the ability to track that person down if 1) their weapon is stolen, 2) illegally purchased, or 3) used in a crime.  This is a step backwards, honestly.

To not be tracked and documented if I carry concealed or not by anyone is a freedom gained. It was a few years ago some leftist loony released the names and addresses of thousands of people who have concealed weapon permits in Florida. No thank you I will take my chances our law enforcement can do there jobs without knowing if I am carrying or not.

Yes and you can apply this to several things: use your credit card at Home Depot?  Boom, security breach.  Sell a scanner on Craigslist?  Someone digs up the data, boom, information breach.  Hack into some business's/hospital's/etc database?  Yikes, you're screwed.  I'd MUCH prefer to know that people had to take measure to carry a weapon than to be able to just buy one and walk around with it without having to jump through some hoops, but hey, that's just me.

Very true but that is not government possibly tracking me.

The government and businesses who work for/with themselves and the government are going to track you unless you live in the woods with nature and no luxuries of life.  Hell, you're screwed because you have a birth certificate (I'm assuming).  What I just don't understand is why so many people take such an aversion to possible government intervention for some things (in which case it would also be for safety), but allow others to take down their personal information when they know full well it's being passed around like your common whoor and can EASILY be used to track you down and interfere in your life.  That's not to say I'll allow government intervention in all aspects of my life, but I'm not a hypocrite about it when it comes to protecting my "freedom".  In this case, it isn't telling you you're not allowed to own guns; not unless you're a convicted felon, but rather just making it difficult for people who don't need to have weapons by making them jump through hoops.

Well we gave the government this power from our own silence. Personally I don't want there protection for such things. And if I can take some of that power away from government with bills like this I am all for it.

 

[Dee]

Well we gave the government this power from our own silence. Personally I don't want there protection for such things. And if I can take some of that power away from government with bills like this I am all for it.

We give the government a lot of power to do many things, like being forced to pay taxes and borrow money and never pay it back, then eat up more of ours to spend it on lavish dinners and snort coke off a hookers ass all whilst supposedly watching out for the president of the US in their black suits and ties.

 

[safeinsanity]

Oh man, I wish they would do that in Michigan!

 

[Webster]

Oh man, I wish they would do that in Michigan!

Yeah, just what we need; more guns.....

 

[safeinsanity]

Yeah, just what we need; more guns.....

Yes we do because there are more criminals now with all of these stupid democrat mayors being soft on crime in their shithole cities.

 

[Webster]

Yes we do because there are more criminals now with all of these stupid democrat mayors being soft on crime in their shithole cities.

*deadpans* long live Urban America, you simple-minded.....