no, criticizing israel is not antisemitic

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I read what you post and the facts you provide on this subject are constantly wrong.

okay, explain what is wrong and prove them to be wrong then, instead of just saying they are wrong...

Have done that on previous threads on many occasions.

okay, post links then...

because i'm pretty sure you haven't and is just talking fallacy...

I have and am here to voice opposition to all who would have the only free democracy slaughtered by a region dominated by oppressors and slave holders.

again, trying to change the subject after the fact that you've been proven wrong about what you say...

good game, again...


Is Israel a true democracy?
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Is-Israel-a-true-democracy-352445

Still waiting on being proven wrong and any real facts. I will keep supporting a free country while others can keep supporting the evil in that region that would destroy a democracy.

no, you're trying to do a fox news spin on me, it's not going to work...

you claim that i'm wrong and i am waiting for you to prove what i say is wrong, not the other way around... and israel is not a free country nor a democracy...

check and mate...

good game, not...

I have no idea what a FOX spin is but the fact that Israel is free and a democracy has nothing to do with FOX.

Freedom of speech. CHECK!

Free press. And one of the most free in the world. CHECK!

Freedom of assembly. CHECK!

Freedom of religion. CHECK!

Women with equal rights to men. CHECK!

Does the middle east have any of these freedoms in the other countries. NO!
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Forgot one!

Gay and lesbians free to love who they want. CHECK AND CHECK!

But guess which countries can also do the same in that region. NONE!
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Wait. Guess which country had three arab parites voted into public office by the people. Thats right Israel. CHECK!

Guess which arab nations would allow a Jewish party in public office let alone allow a Jew to vote. NONE!

 

[+paradox]

your fox news spin is when i claimed something, and you said that i am wrong, but when i ask you to prove me wrong, you tell me that i have to prove you wrong in what you said that i was wrong on what i said...

it's easy to say that anyone is wrong, but unlike you, i put forth evidence and facts behind what i say yet every time i ask you for proof on why i am wrong, you beat-around-the-bush and change the subject like you just did when i said israel is not a free country nor a democracy...

now, your above claims is not backed by proof nor evidence, so give me some time so i can destroy that post of yours...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

your fox news spin is when i claimed something, and you said that i am wrong, but when i ask you to prove me wrong, you tell me that i have to prove you wrong in what you said that i was wrong on what i said...

it's easy to say that anyone is wrong, but unlike you, i put forth evidence and facts behind what i say yet every time i ask you for proof on why i am wrong, you beat-around-the-bush and change the subject like you just did when i said israel is not a free country nor a democracy...

now, your above claims is not backed by proof nor evidence, so give me some time so i can destroy that post of yours...

I am waiting for a day whenever you might "DESTROY" a post. LOL! Who knows this might be the day. My late client shoWed up so I will be holding my breath and waiting in anticipation for tomorrows grand response.

 

[+paradox]

your fox news spin is when i claimed something, and you said that i am wrong, but when i ask you to prove me wrong, you tell me that i have to prove you wrong in what you said that i was wrong on what i said...

it's easy to say that anyone is wrong, but unlike you, i put forth evidence and facts behind what i say yet every time i ask you for proof on why i am wrong, you beat-around-the-bush and change the subject like you just did when i said israel is not a free country nor a democracy...

now, your above claims is not backed by proof nor evidence, so give me some time so i can destroy that post of yours...

I am waiting for a day whenever you might "DESTROY" a post. LOL! Who knows this might be the day. My late client shoWed up so I will be holding my breath and waiting in anticipation for tomorrows grand response.

you have been destroyed because the only thing you do is say "i'm wrong" with no proof, facts or evidence to back up anything you say... then you try to change the subject on something i say that's not about the subject that we're talking about...
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I read what you post and the facts you provide on this subject are constantly wrong.

okay, explain what is wrong and prove them to be wrong then, instead of just saying they are wrong...

Have done that on previous threads on many occasions.

okay, post links then...

because i'm pretty sure you haven't and is just talking fallacy...

I have and am here to voice opposition to all who would have the only free democracy slaughtered by a region dominated by oppressors and slave holders.

again, trying to change the subject after the fact that you've been proven wrong about what you say...

good game, again...


Is Israel a true democracy?
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Is-Israel-a-true-democracy-352445

Still waiting on being proven wrong and any real facts. I will keep supporting a free country while others can keep supporting the evil in that region that would destroy a democracy.

no, you're trying to do a fox news spin on me, it's not going to work...

you claim that i'm wrong and i am waiting for you to prove what i say is wrong, not the other way around... and israel is not a free country nor a democracy...

check and mate...

good game, not...

I have no idea what a FOX spin is but the fact that Israel is free and a democracy has nothing to do with FOX.
it's when fox news spins a story to try to make a story into something it's not, by lying, making up things or just distorting the facts... that's what you do...

Freedom of speech. CHECK!
Speech in Israel Is Not Free
http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/speech_in_israel_is_not_free.php?page=all


Free press. And one of the most free in the world. CHECK!
Speech in Israel Is Not Free
http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/speech_in_israel_is_not_free.php?page=all


Freedom of assembly. CHECK!
Israel: Palestinian’s Conviction Violates Freedom of Assembly
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/05/30/israel-palestinian-s-conviction-violates-freedom-assembly


Freedom of religion. CHECK!
Speech in Israel Is Not Free
http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/speech_in_israel_is_not_free.php?page=all


Women with equal rights to men. CHECK!
Equality, Religion and Gender in Israel
http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/equality-religion-and-gender-in-israel

Does the middle east have any of these freedoms in the other countries. NO!
that's not the point, we are talking about israel only, not any other country...


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Forgot one!

Gay and lesbians free to love who they want. CHECK AND CHECK!
New survey challenges Israel's gay-friendly image
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4391274,00.html

6 Reasons 'Pinkwashing' Israel on Gay Rights Is So Wrong
http://forward.com/articles/211808/-reasons-pinkwashing-israel-on-gay-rights-is-so-w/



But guess which countries can also do the same in that region. NONE!
in all countries (even america still) people will hate the gays, you have no legit point here...

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Wait. Guess which country had three arab parites voted into public office by the people. Thats right Israel. CHECK!
true, but they are still getting resistance...
Israel election updates / Lieberman seeks to ban Arab parties from running in elections
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.638747



Guess which arab nations would allow a Jewish party in public office let alone allow a Jew to vote. NONE!
again, we are talking about israel, not any other country...

 

[DrLeftover]

way to change the subject, @drleftover!

and way to be a parrot, @webster!

I'm done.

Fuck you.

 

[+paradox]

way to change the subject, @drleftover!

and way to be a parrot, @webster!

I'm done.

Fuck you.

what's the matter?

too much truth to handle?

 

[Jazzy]

Thread cleaned. Please get back on topic.

 

[Webster]

I read what you post and the facts you provide on this subject are constantly wrong.

okay, explain what is wrong and prove them to be wrong then, instead of just saying they are wrong...

Have done that on previous threads on many occasions.

okay, post links then...

because i'm pretty sure you haven't and is just talking fallacy...

I have and am here to voice opposition to all who would have the only free democracy slaughtered by a region dominated by oppressors and slave holders.

again, trying to change the subject after the fact that you've been proven wrong about what you say...

good game, again...


Is Israel a true democracy?
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Is-Israel-a-true-democracy-352445

Still waiting on being proven wrong and any real facts. I will keep supporting a free country while others can keep supporting the evil in that region that would destroy a democracy.

no, you're trying to do a fox news spin on me, it's not going to work...

you claim that i'm wrong and i am waiting for you to prove what i say is wrong, not the other way around... and israel is not a free country nor a democracy...

check and mate...

good game, not...

I have no idea what a FOX spin is but the fact that Israel is free and a democracy has nothing to do with FOX.

Freedom of speech. CHECK!

Free press. And one of the most free in the world. CHECK!

Freedom of assembly. CHECK!

Freedom of religion. CHECK!

Women with equal rights to men. CHECK!

Does the middle east have any of these freedoms in the other countries. NO!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Forgot one!

Gay and lesbians free to love who they want. CHECK AND CHECK!

But guess which countries can also do the same in that region. NONE!
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Wait. Guess which country had three arab parites voted into public office by the people. Thats right Israel. CHECK!

Guess which arab nations would allow a Jewish party in public office let alone allow a Jew to vote. NONE!

*reads Liberty's most recent comment, then looks back over towards Freezy* He's got a point...say whatever you want about Israel, but they're at present the only - let me repeat that: ONLY - liberal democracy in the Middle East at present....but I guess that doesn't matter to you, huh?

 

[Kirito]

But you are wrong on all counts. So back to my original statement.

This made me cringe, how were israel not the aggressors? They invaded land that was not their own to start a new country... What else would you call that? xD

 

[+paradox]

I read what you post and the facts you provide on this subject are constantly wrong.

okay, explain what is wrong and prove them to be wrong then, instead of just saying they are wrong...

Have done that on previous threads on many occasions.

okay, post links then...

because i'm pretty sure you haven't and is just talking fallacy...

I have and am here to voice opposition to all who would have the only free democracy slaughtered by a region dominated by oppressors and slave holders.

again, trying to change the subject after the fact that you've been proven wrong about what you say...

good game, again...


Is Israel a true democracy?
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Is-Israel-a-true-democracy-352445

Still waiting on being proven wrong and any real facts. I will keep supporting a free country while others can keep supporting the evil in that region that would destroy a democracy.

no, you're trying to do a fox news spin on me, it's not going to work...

you claim that i'm wrong and i am waiting for you to prove what i say is wrong, not the other way around... and israel is not a free country nor a democracy...

check and mate...

good game, not...

I have no idea what a FOX spin is but the fact that Israel is free and a democracy has nothing to do with FOX.

Freedom of speech. CHECK!

Free press. And one of the most free in the world. CHECK!

Freedom of assembly. CHECK!

Freedom of religion. CHECK!

Women with equal rights to men. CHECK!

Does the middle east have any of these freedoms in the other countries. NO!



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Forgot one!

Gay and lesbians free to love who they want. CHECK AND CHECK!

But guess which countries can also do the same in that region. NONE!



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Wait. Guess which country had three arab parites voted into public office by the people. Thats right Israel. CHECK!

Guess which arab nations would allow a Jewish party in public office let alone allow a Jew to vote. NONE!

*reads Liberty's most recent comment, then looks back over towards Freezy* He's got a point...say whatever you want about Israel, but they're at present the only - let me repeat that: ONLY - liberal democracy in the Middle East at present....but I guess that doesn't matter to you, huh?

nope, because israel illegally took that land with the help of the british, the u.n. and the u.s. with others... and slaughtered so many arabs to land grab and steal other countries land/territories...

israel is not a democracy...

israel is an illegal state...

israel is not innocent!

 

[Webster]

israel is not a democracy...
israel is an illegal state...

By your logic, if Israel's an illegal state, then I fully expect you to say the same thing in regards to other countries that were carved out of the former Ottoman Empire, such as Iraq, Syria and Jordan, for starters... ...or does your antipathy above only apply to a certain Jewish state?

 

[+paradox]

israel is not a democracy...
israel is an illegal state...

By your logic, if Israel's an illegal state, then I fully expect you to say the same thing in regards to other countries that were carved out of the former Ottoman Empire, such as Iraq, Syria and Jordan, for starters... ...or does your antipathy above only apply to a certain Jewish state?

no, because it was only a u.n. partition, that both had to agree upon, yet only the zionist generals agreed, the palestinians rejected... thus making israel an illegal state, it's not that difficult to understand, actually, it's pretty simple... and the jews had no right to even be considered to have their own state on palestine in the first place...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

your fox news spin is when i claimed something, and you said that i am wrong, but when i ask you to prove me wrong, you tell me that i have to prove you wrong in what you said that i was wrong on what i said...

it's easy to say that anyone is wrong, but unlike you, i put forth evidence and facts behind what i say yet every time i ask you for proof on why i am wrong, you beat-around-the-bush and change the subject like you just did when i said israel is not a free country nor a democracy...

now, your above claims is not backed by proof nor evidence, so give me some time so i can destroy that post of yours...

I am waiting for a day whenever you might "DESTROY" a post. LOL! Who knows this might be the day. My late client shoWed up so I will be holding my breath and waiting in anticipation for tomorrows grand response.

you have been destroyed because the only thing you do is say "i'm wrong" with no proof, facts or evidence to back up anything you say... then you try to change the subject on something i say that's not about the subject that we're talking about...

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I read what you post and the facts you provide on this subject are constantly wrong.

okay, explain what is wrong and prove them to be wrong then, instead of just saying they are wrong...

Have done that on previous threads on many occasions.

okay, post links then...

because i'm pretty sure you haven't and is just talking fallacy...

I have and am here to voice opposition to all who would have the only free democracy slaughtered by a region dominated by oppressors and slave holders.

again, trying to change the subject after the fact that you've been proven wrong about what you say...

good game, again...


Is Israel a true democracy?
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Is-Israel-a-true-democracy-352445

Still waiting on being proven wrong and any real facts. I will keep supporting a free country while others can keep supporting the evil in that region that would destroy a democracy.

no, you're trying to do a fox news spin on me, it's not going to work...

you claim that i'm wrong and i am waiting for you to prove what i say is wrong, not the other way around... and israel is not a free country nor a democracy...

check and mate...

good game, not...

I have no idea what a FOX spin is but the fact that Israel is free and a democracy has nothing to do with FOX.
it's when fox news spins a story to try to make a story into something it's not, by lying, making up things or just distorting the facts... that's what you do...

Freedom of speech. CHECK!
Speech in Israel Is Not Free
http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/speech_in_israel_is_not_free.php?page=all


Free press. And one of the most free in the world. CHECK!
Speech in Israel Is Not Free
http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/speech_in_israel_is_not_free.php?page=all

After reading that crap what is it he says at the end? "Israel’s apologists sometimes counter that speech in Israel is freer than in any other country in the Middle East, and this is true."

And a opinion from a group of people who support the communist movement occupy movement is laughable they would know anything about the subject of freedom.

The Columbia Journalism Review claims that its mission is to “encourage excellence in journalism in the service of a free society.” But CJR frequently runs left of center articles, including repeatedly promoting the Occupy movement.

Columbia’s Journalism School publishes CJR, and provides it with facilities and staff, although the two are technically separate entities. The dean of the journalism school, Nicholas Lemann, also oversees CJR. Before becoming CJR Chair, Victor Navasky was editor of The Nation, a hard-left magazine, which has received at least $77,000 in Soros funding, as well as being a part of the Media Consortium.

On May 25, 2011, CJR called Soros “decidedly a supporter of quality journalism” and said that NPR “should not be ashamed” about its Soros funding. The Review also promoted a 2008 “Financial Times” article by Soros in which the billionaire argued for more government regulation and denied “the idea that markets are self-correcting.”http://www.mrc.org/special-reports/special-report-columbia-university?page=8

Freedom of assembly. CHECK!
Israel: Palestinian’s Conviction Violates Freedom of Assembly
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/05/30/israel-palestinian-s-conviction-violates-freedom-assembly

What we have here is a complete guess and the whole article is one big assumption.

“The Israeli military authorities seem to have known it would be hard to justify convicting an activist for only leading peaceful protests, so they apparently used oppressive methods to produce evidence that he also encouraged children to throw stones,” said Nebulous Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch.

And how many middle east countries would do this for a convicted criminal? Hold on a minute let me take a count. ZERO!

The military court ordered his release on bail on April 24, 2012, so that he could visit his mother, who had suffered a stroke.

And the co-founder of this publication is a founder of SDS, a radical pro-communist group. So this article is about as reliable as me being able to throw a blue whale across a football field.

Freedom of religion. CHECK!
Speech in Israel Is Not Free
http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/speech_in_israel_is_not_free.php?page=all

Using the communist Columbia Journalism again. NEXT!

Women with equal rights to men. CHECK!
Equality, Religion and Gender in Israel
http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/equality-religion-and-gender-in-israel

This whole article seems to have forgotten a very important person in Israels history when this article states stupidly they do not have equal rights. Golda Meir the prime minister of Israel. How many women leaders have been the leaders in Middle East countries or can even consider the idea? Thats right NONE!

Does the middle east have any of these freedoms in the other countries. NO!
that's not the point, we are talking about israel only, not any other country...

It is 100% of the point on who is actually the evil in that region and is actually promoting a semblance of a stable and free democracy. But it is amusing you can't even find a communist left wing article to try and say otherwise.

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Forgot one!

Gay and lesbians free to love who they want. CHECK AND CHECK!
New survey challenges Israel's gay-friendly image
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4391274,00.html

6 Reasons 'Pinkwashing' Israel on Gay Rights Is So Wrong
http://forward.com/articles/211808/-reasons-pinkwashing-israel-on-gay-rights-is-so-w/

Just the words that say Survey challenges Israel's gay friendly image is funny. Because in the middle east countries there would be no survey in the first place because all the people admitting they were gay in the first place would be dead and missing heads. NEXT!

But guess which countries can also do the same in that region. NONE!
in all countries (even america still) people will hate the gays, you have no legit point here...

A minority of people Hating gays and a countries policy that actually supports killing gays people where they stand are to very big differences. NEXT!

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Wait. Guess which country had three arab parites voted into public office by the people. Thats right Israel. CHECK!
true, but they are still getting resistance...
Israel election updates / Lieberman seeks to ban Arab parties from running in elections
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.638747

But they can be elected and have been elected. NEXT!

Guess which arab nations would allow a Jewish party in public office let alone allow a Jew to vote. NONE!
again, we are talking about israel, not any other country...

Again it is 100% relevant when it is the only Dmocracy in the region that offers some real freedoms in a region of evil.

 

[+paradox]

all of your arguments is that israel seems to have more rights for their people than other countries with theirs, yet you constantely try to compare israel with the rest of the middle east is not a legitimate stance, we aren't talking about any other "country" but israel, so leave others out of it...

a fact, israel is not a free "country"...

a fact, israel is a liberal and socialist "country"...

a fact, israel is a dictatorship...

a fact, israel is not a democracy...

a fact, israel portrays to be a free and a democratic "country" to gain support, but they have much blood on their hands to fool most of the world that doesn't follow the zionist media's bull shit and propaganda...

at least the islamic extremists/terrorists don't try to deceive/cover-up their evil and wrong-doings like israel and it's zionist generals does...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

all of your arguments is that israel seems to have more rights for their people than other countries with theirs, yet you constantely try to compare israel with the rest of the middle east is not a legitimate stance, we aren't talking about any other "country" but israel, so leave others out of it...

No my arguement is they are a democracy and they have a right to exist surrounded by evil all around them.

a fact, israel is not a free country...

a fact, israel is a liberal and socialist...

a fact, israel is a dictatorship...

a fact, israel is not a democracy...

Still waiting on those facts. LOL!

a fact, israel portrays to be a free and a democratic country to gain support, but they have much blood on their hands to fool most of the world that doesn't follow the zionist media's bull shit and propaganda...

But there is no false portrayal except from others who would see all the Jewish people dead and buried.

at least the islamic extremists/terrorists don't try to deceive/cover-up their evil and wrong-doings like israel and it's zionist generals does...

Ya, it is hard to cover up mass slaughterings and slavery of women across thousands of miles. The words Zionist generals just makes me laugh every time I read it.

 

[+paradox]

again, @liberty, stop trying to change the subject... this is about israel and israel only, not anything else or any other country... just because you say something doesn't make it true... you don't no anything about israel and what's really going on over there, so please stop pretending you do...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Not changing the subject it is part of the subject no matter how much you want to be otherwise.

I am pretty clear and informed about Israel but thanks for your opinion.

 

[+paradox]

Not changing the subject it is part of the subject no matter how much you want to be otherwise.

I am pretty clear and informed about Israel but thanks for your opinion.

i'm sorry how is any other country apart of this thread's subject matter?

this thread is:

no, criticizing israel is not anti-semitism

and you're trying to make it an middle east subject... which means you're changing the subject...

if you're informed about israel than why do you get things wrong about israel?

why are people that actually from and live in israel claiming bad things, if you watch those videos, you'd see... those people are older and wiser, and actually live in israel, yet you think you know more than them and that they are wrong and you are right... you go against facts, proof, evidence, history and truth...

you do the same with america...

 

[Webster]

all of your arguments is that israel seems to have more rights for their people than other countries with theirs, yet you constantly try to compare israel with the rest of the middle east is not a legitimate stance, we aren't talking about any other "country" but israel, so leave others out of it...

By most standards, Israel does have more rights & freedoms than any of its' neighbors; just go over there and ask any Israeli Arab that and see what they tell you... ..there's also the simple, inexorable fact that compared to the rest of the Middle East, Israel is indeed far more free than any of its' neighbors; for instance, imagine having this convo. between us, Freezy, in any other Middle Eastern country...

a fact, israel is not a free "country"...
a fact, israel is a liberal and socialist "country"...

A non-sequitur; all countries have elements of socialism in them; just look at the U.S. and Social Security, for instance.

a fact, israel is a dictatorship...
a fact, israel is not a democracy...

If Israel's a dictatorship, the standards for dictatorships have really gone-off-the-rairs then....I guess by that comparison, countries such as Lebanon must be idyllic paradises then, huh?

a fact, israel portrays to be a free and a democratic "country" to gain support, but they have much blood on their hands to fool most of the world that doesn't follow the zionist media's bull shit and propaganda...

And a lot of that blood was visited upon them by their neighbors, so you can drop that line of bullshit right now, my friend...

at least the islamic extremists/terrorists don't try to deceive/cover-up their evil and wrong-doings like israel and it's zionist generals does...

*deadpans* No, the Islamofascists just go around raping, pillaging and murdering anyone who disagrees with them and their apocalyptic vision of the world...nice try, though.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

all of your arguments is that israel seems to have more rights for their people than other countries with theirs, yet you constantly try to compare israel with the rest of the middle east is not a legitimate stance, we aren't talking about any other "country" but israel, so leave others out of it...

By most standards, Israel does have more rights & freedoms than any of its' neighbors; just go over there and ask any Israeli Arab that and see what they tell you... ..there's also the simple, inexorable fact that compared to the rest of the Middle East, Israel is indeed far more free than any of its' neighbors; for instance, imagine having this convo. between us, Freezy, in any other Middle Eastern country...

a fact, israel is not a free "country"...
a fact, israel is a liberal and socialist "country"...

A non-sequitur; all countries have elements of socialism in them; just look at the U.S. and Social Security, for instance.

a fact, israel is a dictatorship...
a fact, israel is not a democracy...

If Israel's a dictatorship, the standards for dictatorships have really gone-off-the-rairs then....I guess by that comparison, countries such as Lebanon must be idyllic paradises then, huh?

a fact, israel portrays to be a free and a democratic "country" to gain support, but they have much blood on their hands to fool most of the world that doesn't follow the zionist media's bull shit and propaganda...

And a lot of that blood was visited upon them by their neighbors, so you can drop that line of bullshit right now, my friend...

at least the islamic extremists/terrorists don't try to deceive/cover-up their evil and wrong-doings like israel and it's zionist generals does...

*deadpans* No, the Islamofascists just go around raping, pillaging and murdering anyone who disagrees with them and their apocalyptic vision of the world...nice try, though.