NYC Mayor To Meet With Police Unions

[Webster]

...oh, this should be interesting....

Does Bill de Blasio realize how deep he has stepped into it?  He has been openly and publicly disrespected by large numbers of cops on three high-profile occasions already, and the funeral for Officer Wenjian Liu is scheduled for the coming weekend still.  There was his visit the Brooklyn hospital where Officers Ramos and Liu were taken, and cops in attendance spontaneously turned their backs to him as he entered.  Then there was the remarkable sight of thousands of cops turning their backs to the giant video screen outside the funeral for Officer Ramos.  And yesterday, at the induction ceremony for 884 new academy graduates into the NYPD, members of the crowd (though apparently none of the graduates) booed, heckled, and turned their backs to him.

Over the weekend, using his holdover police commissioner Bill Bratton as an intermediary, the mayor arranged a meeting with 5 police unions for today.  The New York Post reports: Among the union leaders scheduled to attend are Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association president Pat Lynch and Sergeant’s Benevolent Association president Ed Mullins — who have been the most ardent critics of the mayor’s dealings with police.

The heads of the unions for detectives, captains and lieutenants are also scheduled to meet with Hizzoner.

“I think it’s good that the mayor has finally reached out to those who represent the members of the NYPD, but I’m disappointed in the issuance of a press release announcing the meeting, which now raises concerns of sincerity. Is this about politics or is it about working through problems?” Mullins said. “This is no longer about the mayor, but this is about the people of the city of New York and the people in this nation who are watching. There’s a conflict of policies and an atmosphere of distrust between city hall and the police who serve this city.”

De Blasio and many of the people who voted for him have forgotten how important active and skilled policing is to the maintenance of order in crowded, diverse, and economically bipolar New York City.  They take for granted the low crime rates the city has enjoyed since Mayor Giuliani took the initiative to pursue the “broken windows” strategy of cracking down on small crimes, signaling that lawbreaking will come at a cost, and stopping and frisking people in high-crime areas.  Thousands of mostly black and Hispanic lives were saved as homicide rates declined radically in New York City.

I don’t know if de Blasio realizes what is going to happen if he doesn’t mend fences with the cops.  He strikes me as a rigid ideologue, and a bit arrogant (the two characteristics often go together) to boot.  The police, especially the lower ranks who deal with the public day to day, are angry enough and threatened enough by the prospect of more assassinations that a public apology and 180-degree U-turn on holding cops responsible and perps blameless when resisting arrest incidents go violent may be required.

If de Blasio can’t summon a sufficient degree of humility, the rank-and-file cops can be expected to launch what amounts to a work-to-rule action, and that will cause crime rates to skyrocket.  If and when that happens, the next election the mayor faces may have a far higher turnout than the record-low 24% turnout that elected him. (American Thinker)

Thoughts?

 

[+paradox]

so, what did the mayor say that was so disrespectful again?

 

[Webster]

so, what did the mayor say that was so disrespectful again?

Principally, this:

(Excerpt) In particular, de Blasio's critics have pointed to the comments he made on Dec. 3, as he appealed for calm in the wake of the Staten Island grand jury's non-indictment. Among other things, de Blasio spoke of having had to "train" his son Dante, who is biracial, to "take special care in any encounter he has with police officers." At his own press conference the next day, Lynch said, “What police officers felt last night after that press conference is that they were thrown under the bus.”

He also said de Blasio “needs to support New York City police officers.”

At Lynch's press conference, I asked him what the mayor had said that he found upsetting, and whether it was accurate to say that de Blasio's expressions of concern for his son meant a lack of support for police officers. Lynch's answer at the time provides some context for his denunciation of de Blasio after this weekend's fatal shooting.

“He spoke about, we have to teach our children, that their interaction with the police, and that they should be afraid of New York City police officers. That’s not true. We have to teach our children, our sons and our daughters, no matter who they look like, to respect New York City police officers. Teach them to comply with police officers, even if they feel it’s unjust. That police officers are protecting them from the criminals on the street. That’s what we do. Our city is safe because of police officers. All our sons and daughters walk the streets in safety because of police officers. They should be afraid of the criminals. That’s what we should be teaching them.”

Here are some of de Blasio's remarks from Dec. 3:

“Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers that he may face. Good young man, law-abiding young man who never would think to do anything wrong and yet, because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers that he may face, we’ve had to literally train him as families have all over this city for decades in how to take special care in any encounter he has with police officers, who are there to protect him.

"And that painful sense of contradiction that our young people see first, that our police are here to protect us and we honor that and at the same there's a history that we have to overcome because, for so many of our young people there’s a fear and for so many of our families there’s a fear. So, I’ve had to worry over the years, Charlene’s had to worry: Was Dante safe each night? There’s so many families in this city who feel that each and every night. Is my child safe? And not just from some of the painful realities of crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods, but are they safe from the very people they want to have faith in, as their protectors? That’s the reality.” (Capital New York)

One thing I've learned over the years, Ghost, is that the vast majority of cops live by certain rules, one of which is 'everyone counts or nobody counts"; with his remarks to his son, Mayor Red basically threw the cops under the bus 'cause it made it seem like they don't give a damn...people forget that loyalty is a two-way street and that while rank-and-file officers need to show loyalty up-the-chain (and that includes right to Gracie Mansion), that loyalty must be shown in the other direction, that those entrusted with elective office have to trust that the rank-and-file are doing the best that they can and that any lack of loyalty from above can have deleterious effects for any major city.

 

[+paradox]

so, how is that disrespectful and throwing the cops under the bus if it's true?

the mayor is a public figure, he represents the people, not the police...

everyone knows how dangerous it is out there to be an american when police constantly abuse and kill americans, especially towards the blacks...

by saying what he said is not dis-loyalty, it's loyalty to the public, which who appointed him into office...

if cops want the public's respect then they have to earn it, not demand it...

i rather have a loyal and honest mayor in my city instead of a lying mayor that pretend that there's not a problem with-in law enforcement and feed us bs...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

...oh, this should be interesting....

Does Bill de Blasio realize how deep he has stepped into it?  He has been openly and publicly disrespected by large numbers of cops on three high-profile occasions already, and the funeral for Officer Wenjian Liu is scheduled for the coming weekend still.  There was his visit the Brooklyn hospital where Officers Ramos and Liu were taken, and cops in attendance spontaneously turned their backs to him as he entered.  Then there was the remarkable sight of thousands of cops turning their backs to the giant video screen outside the funeral for Officer Ramos.  And yesterday, at the induction ceremony for 884 new academy graduates into the NYPD, members of the crowd (though apparently none of the graduates) booed, heckled, and turned their backs to him.

Over the weekend, using his holdover police commissioner Bill Bratton as an intermediary, the mayor arranged a meeting with 5 police unions for today.  The New York Post reports: Among the union leaders scheduled to attend are Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association president Pat Lynch and Sergeant’s Benevolent Association president Ed Mullins — who have been the most ardent critics of the mayor’s dealings with police.

The heads of the unions for detectives, captains and lieutenants are also scheduled to meet with Hizzoner.

“I think it’s good that the mayor has finally reached out to those who represent the members of the NYPD, but I’m disappointed in the issuance of a press release announcing the meeting, which now raises concerns of sincerity. Is this about politics or is it about working through problems?” Mullins said. “This is no longer about the mayor, but this is about the people of the city of New York and the people in this nation who are watching. There’s a conflict of policies and an atmosphere of distrust between city hall and the police who serve this city.”

De Blasio and many of the people who voted for him have forgotten how important active and skilled policing is to the maintenance of order in crowded, diverse, and economically bipolar New York City.  They take for granted the low crime rates the city has enjoyed since Mayor Giuliani took the initiative to pursue the “broken windows” strategy of cracking down on small crimes, signaling that lawbreaking will come at a cost, and stopping and frisking people in high-crime areas.  Thousands of mostly black and Hispanic lives were saved as homicide rates declined radically in New York City.

I don’t know if de Blasio realizes what is going to happen if he doesn’t mend fences with the cops.  He strikes me as a rigid ideologue, and a bit arrogant (the two characteristics often go together) to boot.  The police, especially the lower ranks who deal with the public day to day, are angry enough and threatened enough by the prospect of more assassinations that a public apology and 180-degree U-turn on holding cops responsible and perps blameless when resisting arrest incidents go violent may be required.

If de Blasio can’t summon a sufficient degree of humility, the rank-and-file cops can be expected to launch what amounts to a work-to-rule action, and that will cause crime rates to skyrocket.  If and when that happens, the next election the mayor faces may have a far higher turnout than the record-low 24% turnout that elected him. (American Thinker)

Thoughts?

The way he sided with thugs and anarchists and then basically said cops are all bad and want to hurt you. Which gave the anarchists fodder and motivation to start targeting cops they should tell him he needs to resign because nothing is going to change with our relationship with you.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

so, what did the mayor say that was so disrespectful again?

Principally, this:

(Excerpt) In particular, de Blasio's critics have pointed to the comments he made on Dec. 3, as he appealed for calm in the wake of the Staten Island grand jury's non-indictment. Among other things, de Blasio spoke of having had to "train" his son Dante, who is biracial, to "take special care in any encounter he has with police officers." At his own press conference the next day, Lynch said, “What police officers felt last night after that press conference is that they were thrown under the bus.”

He also said de Blasio “needs to support New York City police officers.”

At Lynch's press conference, I asked him what the mayor had said that he found upsetting, and whether it was accurate to say that de Blasio's expressions of concern for his son meant a lack of support for police officers. Lynch's answer at the time provides some context for his denunciation of de Blasio after this weekend's fatal shooting.

“He spoke about, we have to teach our children, that their interaction with the police, and that they should be afraid of New York City police officers. That’s not true. We have to teach our children, our sons and our daughters, no matter who they look like, to respect New York City police officers. Teach them to comply with police officers, even if they feel it’s unjust. That police officers are protecting them from the criminals on the street. That’s what we do. Our city is safe because of police officers. All our sons and daughters walk the streets in safety because of police officers. They should be afraid of the criminals. That’s what we should be teaching them.”

Here are some of de Blasio's remarks from Dec. 3:

“Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers that he may face. Good young man, law-abiding young man who never would think to do anything wrong and yet, because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers that he may face, we’ve had to literally train him as families have all over this city for decades in how to take special care in any encounter he has with police officers, who are there to protect him.

"And that painful sense of contradiction that our young people see first, that our police are here to protect us and we honor that and at the same there's a history that we have to overcome because, for so many of our young people there’s a fear and for so many of our families there’s a fear. So, I’ve had to worry over the years, Charlene’s had to worry: Was Dante safe each night? There’s so many families in this city who feel that each and every night. Is my child safe? And not just from some of the painful realities of crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods, but are they safe from the very people they want to have faith in, as their protectors? That’s the reality.” (Capital New York)

One thing I've learned over the years, Ghost, is that the vast majority of cops live by certain rules, one of which is 'everyone counts or nobody counts"; with his remarks to his son, Mayor Red basically threw the cops under the bus 'cause it made it seem like they don't give a damn...people forget that loyalty is a two-way street and that while rank-and-file officers need to show loyalty up-the-chain (and that includes right to Gracie Mansion), that loyalty must be shown in the other direction, that those entrusted with elective office have to trust that the rank-and-file are doing the best that they can and that any lack of loyalty from above can have deleterious effects for any major city.

And now that cops feel like they have no legal protection or that the mayor has there back. So crime is shooting up in the city and the cops are letting it happen for fear of there own safety. Well when anarchists and radicals make false claims on how bad our cops are lets see how much they like it when cities are over run by the criminals. Good job now you do not need to worry about the occasional rogue cop but instead a city full of violence and crime. Congrats!