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Rapunzels ponderings...
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Time could be considered a dimension of a Material (as in composed in a slice of Universe/Multiverse that is filled with matter, which lumped together makes stuff like Humans, planets, and whatnot).
Time then can be considered a Fourth Dimension (and commonly is, but it's really kind of an algebraic situation, call it whatever you want to rationalise it). As Humans, we have 3-D bi-lateral capabilities, thus we can be manipulated, and reciprocally manipulate 3-D things. If Time is a 4-D object, it gets more complicated. Time has a greater influence than we do, thus it can manipulate us (because it is backward compatible), but we are not forward compatible [yet], so therefore we cannot manipulate time, and sight is a way of manipulating it, and thus explaining why we can't 'see' it, but we can correlate it's manipulations through measurement of changes in our Three Dimensions of interactivity to see its effects.
The thing is time as something tangible may not exist in a Material Universe, but would have to exist in a [purely hypothetical] Universe where something that can manipulate time exists. Right now we don't quite have the ability to do that, and the extent of Human capabilities and endurance may make it so it is impossible to have an ability to manipulate time in the purest sense. If we could develop such an ability (through indirect means - building a time machine; or a direct means - an evolution most likely established by a Human-Technological Singularity (at least in obvious terms...who knows what happens when we 'die'?)), then we likely could actually 'see Time' as we'd become Four Dimensional beings bi-laterally.
Then again, the kicker to all of this, is technically we haven't even proved 'Time' actually exists. We run on the assumption that something to the effect MUST exist, given the circumstances we face; however just because it hasn't been unproven, doesn't mean it's true - lending ultimate authority to the saying Anything that we take as a given, is just an unchallenged theory... Considering our entire species existence has taken place in one tiny spot in the known expanses of the Universe, there's a lot of room for error. Considering we, as a species, still have unanswered questions, that we can even ponder as such - shows that what we all think we know and take for granted could be completely furthest from the actual 'Truth'.
Given that on the bleeding edge of science some experiments and theories are developing where we can essentially stop and/or reverse 'aging' effects (senescence), the aforementioned Fourth Dimensional Time manipulation concept could be utterly null if we can find a true form of complete stasis. The concept of Time would be drastically revised and perhaps even discarded in such a case.
On a more mundane figuring - technically we can already manipulate time in a perceived sense. Next time that the time of year comes when we must put our clocks forward or backwards (in localities that observe it, at least), change your clock a day early - everyone will be a bit confused, but you could easily convince the people you knew the closest that the time was indeed correct, because it's really all arbitrary in terms of perception, even if we could 'see Time' in the purest form and not just in a manner of measurement. As long as all of the person's available sources told him/her that it was 11.00 instead of 12.00, then who are they to argue? We learn to just accept things as we observe them, most often.
...and then again - could it be argued that we ARE seeing time already? So, that we really actually don't have anything more to see, because we've seen time. When you get knee deep into physics and such - there can come arguments that time is just a simple way of describing a process, and not actually an elapsing of an event, or repeated events. Growing 'old' and 'aging' aren't necessarily the effects of time - but just part of a process - a constant assailing of our smaller parts (cells, and their respective smaller parts) by other agents (such as bacteria, etc.), and the mere effects of existence - if you build a wall, it will crumble with age - you can never really repair something - something is being added or replaced to the net product to make it the same quantification as it was before the repair. 10 is never 10, but 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 (and each of those 1s are made with smaller components, too). 'Distance' is another property that is similar to time...we measure it, but it doesn't really exist (and it has a relation to Time, thusly). We can say something is such and such light-years away, but is it really that there is a certain distance, either static or dynamic between two...'things', or is it merely the continuous effect (whether static or dynamic) of the smaller parts interacting (gravity, atoms, black holes, Dark Energy, etc.)?
[...and yeah - I have a lot of times where I just pause to think about how massive...existence et al. is, and a lot of times, I just stop and come back with a 'Woah.'...and move on...]
Time then can be considered a Fourth Dimension (and commonly is, but it's really kind of an algebraic situation, call it whatever you want to rationalise it). As Humans, we have 3-D bi-lateral capabilities, thus we can be manipulated, and reciprocally manipulate 3-D things. If Time is a 4-D object, it gets more complicated. Time has a greater influence than we do, thus it can manipulate us (because it is backward compatible), but we are not forward compatible [yet], so therefore we cannot manipulate time, and sight is a way of manipulating it, and thus explaining why we can't 'see' it, but we can correlate it's manipulations through measurement of changes in our Three Dimensions of interactivity to see its effects.
The thing is time as something tangible may not exist in a Material Universe, but would have to exist in a [purely hypothetical] Universe where something that can manipulate time exists. Right now we don't quite have the ability to do that, and the extent of Human capabilities and endurance may make it so it is impossible to have an ability to manipulate time in the purest sense. If we could develop such an ability (through indirect means - building a time machine; or a direct means - an evolution most likely established by a Human-Technological Singularity (at least in obvious terms...who knows what happens when we 'die'?)), then we likely could actually 'see Time' as we'd become Four Dimensional beings bi-laterally.
Then again, the kicker to all of this, is technically we haven't even proved 'Time' actually exists. We run on the assumption that something to the effect MUST exist, given the circumstances we face; however just because it hasn't been unproven, doesn't mean it's true - lending ultimate authority to the saying Anything that we take as a given, is just an unchallenged theory... Considering our entire species existence has taken place in one tiny spot in the known expanses of the Universe, there's a lot of room for error. Considering we, as a species, still have unanswered questions, that we can even ponder as such - shows that what we all think we know and take for granted could be completely furthest from the actual 'Truth'.
Given that on the bleeding edge of science some experiments and theories are developing where we can essentially stop and/or reverse 'aging' effects (senescence), the aforementioned Fourth Dimensional Time manipulation concept could be utterly null if we can find a true form of complete stasis. The concept of Time would be drastically revised and perhaps even discarded in such a case.
On a more mundane figuring - technically we can already manipulate time in a perceived sense. Next time that the time of year comes when we must put our clocks forward or backwards (in localities that observe it, at least), change your clock a day early - everyone will be a bit confused, but you could easily convince the people you knew the closest that the time was indeed correct, because it's really all arbitrary in terms of perception, even if we could 'see Time' in the purest form and not just in a manner of measurement. As long as all of the person's available sources told him/her that it was 11.00 instead of 12.00, then who are they to argue? We learn to just accept things as we observe them, most often.
...and then again - could it be argued that we ARE seeing time already? So, that we really actually don't have anything more to see, because we've seen time. When you get knee deep into physics and such - there can come arguments that time is just a simple way of describing a process, and not actually an elapsing of an event, or repeated events. Growing 'old' and 'aging' aren't necessarily the effects of time - but just part of a process - a constant assailing of our smaller parts (cells, and their respective smaller parts) by other agents (such as bacteria, etc.), and the mere effects of existence - if you build a wall, it will crumble with age - you can never really repair something - something is being added or replaced to the net product to make it the same quantification as it was before the repair. 10 is never 10, but 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 (and each of those 1s are made with smaller components, too). 'Distance' is another property that is similar to time...we measure it, but it doesn't really exist (and it has a relation to Time, thusly). We can say something is such and such light-years away, but is it really that there is a certain distance, either static or dynamic between two...'things', or is it merely the continuous effect (whether static or dynamic) of the smaller parts interacting (gravity, atoms, black holes, Dark Energy, etc.)?
[...and yeah - I have a lot of times where I just pause to think about how massive...existence et al. is, and a lot of times, I just stop and come back with a 'Woah.'...and move on...]
Let's see...
Time is simply cause and effect, clocks don't measure anything. If they did you wouldn't be able to change them.
Without cause and effect we couldn't exist. So we have time.
You can see it working.
...that or Durandal is correct and then we have some sort of 4D god moving us about. I would like a 3rd eye so I could see it in that case
(1 eye = 2D, 2 eyes = 3D } 3 eyes = 4D)
Time is simply cause and effect, clocks don't measure anything. If they did you wouldn't be able to change them.
Without cause and effect we couldn't exist. So we have time.
You can see it working.
...that or Durandal is correct and then we have some sort of 4D god moving us about. I would like a 3rd eye so I could see it in that case
(1 eye = 2D, 2 eyes = 3D } 3 eyes = 4D)
Can't say that looks like moving on to meDurandal said:
Thanks guys . . . and Durandal - WOW!
Are you at college/uni? Do you study physics? Physics is not one of my strongest points.
That was a very interesting read. I have another question for you later on Dark Matter.
I loved the comment below! I do this a lot too!
[...and yeah - I have a lot of times where I just pause to think about how massive...existence et al. is, and a lot of times, I just stop and come back with a 'Woah.'...and move on...]
Are you at college/uni? Do you study physics? Physics is not one of my strongest points.
That was a very interesting read. I have another question for you later on Dark Matter.
I loved the comment below! I do this a lot too!
[...and yeah - I have a lot of times where I just pause to think about how massive...existence et al. is, and a lot of times, I just stop and come back with a 'Woah.'...and move on...]
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Things to Ponder
1. Why do you park in a driveway and drive in a parkway?
2. Why do you have a hot-water heater when you dont need to heat hot water?
3. Why is an orange an orange and an apple not a red?
4. Why is a pear called a pear when there is only one?
5. What do they pack styrofoam in?
6. Why did God give men nipples?
7. If buttered toast always lands butter-side down, and a cat always lands
on its feet, what would happen if you tied a piece of buttered toast on
the back of a cat?
8. Is grass really greener on the other side?
9. Do boxer shorts box?
10. Why do you wear a pair of panties and only one bra?
11. If Corn Oil comes from Corn, what does Baby Oil come from?
12. If nothing sticks to Teflon, how do you get Teflon to stick to a pan?
13. Why do you need a driver's license to buy liquor when you can't drink and
drive?
14. Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds?
15. Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii?
16. Why are there floatation devices under plane seats instead of parachutes?
17. Why are cigarettes sold in gas stations when smoking is prohibited there?
18. Do you need a silencer if you are going to shoot a mime?
19. Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
20. How does the guy who drives the snow plow get to work?
21. If 7-11 is open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, why are there locks on the
doors?
22. If a cow laughs, does milk come out it's nose?
23. If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on you headlights,
what happens?
24. You know how most packages say Open here. What is the protocol if the
package says, Open somewhere else?
25. Why do they put Braille dots on the keypad of the drive-up ATM?
26. Why is it that when you transport something by car, it's called a shipment,
but when you transport something by ship it's called cargo?
27. You know that little indestructible black box that is used on planes, why
can't they make the whole plane out of the same substance?
28. Why is it that when you are driving and looking for an address, you turn
the radio down?
29. Why don't sheep shrink when it rains?
30. Why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together?
Things to Ponder
1. Why do you park in a driveway and drive in a parkway?
2. Why do you have a hot-water heater when you dont need to heat hot water?
3. Why is an orange an orange and an apple not a red?
4. Why is a pear called a pear when there is only one?
5. What do they pack styrofoam in?
6. Why did God give men nipples?
7. If buttered toast always lands butter-side down, and a cat always lands
on its feet, what would happen if you tied a piece of buttered toast on
the back of a cat?
8. Is grass really greener on the other side?
9. Do boxer shorts box?
10. Why do you wear a pair of panties and only one bra?
11. If Corn Oil comes from Corn, what does Baby Oil come from?
12. If nothing sticks to Teflon, how do you get Teflon to stick to a pan?
13. Why do you need a driver's license to buy liquor when you can't drink and
drive?
14. Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds?
15. Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii?
16. Why are there floatation devices under plane seats instead of parachutes?
17. Why are cigarettes sold in gas stations when smoking is prohibited there?
18. Do you need a silencer if you are going to shoot a mime?
19. Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
20. How does the guy who drives the snow plow get to work?
21. If 7-11 is open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, why are there locks on the
doors?
22. If a cow laughs, does milk come out it's nose?
23. If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on you headlights,
what happens?
24. You know how most packages say Open here. What is the protocol if the
package says, Open somewhere else?
25. Why do they put Braille dots on the keypad of the drive-up ATM?
26. Why is it that when you transport something by car, it's called a shipment,
but when you transport something by ship it's called cargo?
27. You know that little indestructible black box that is used on planes, why
can't they make the whole plane out of the same substance?
28. Why is it that when you are driving and looking for an address, you turn
the radio down?
29. Why don't sheep shrink when it rains?
30. Why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together?
Lol @ Nebulous. I can answer some of these!
Things to Ponder
3. Why is an orange an orange and an apple not a red?
Because apples can also be green, but oranges are always orange.
5. What do they pack styrofoam in?
Good one! Like it!
6. Why did God give men nipples?
I think this is the XY chromosome. Women have the XX chromosome and men have the XY chromosome. This chromosome represents the sex of the child so male children must have some female chromosomes in them which show up as a nipple but not a breast. That's just my opinion. I believe I read that nipples are formed long before sex organs in a foetus too, so all babies will have nipples before developing into a male or female foetus.
7. If buttered toast always lands butter-side down, and a cat always lands
on its feet, what would happen if you tied a piece of buttered toast on
the back of a cat?
It would land on its head with a smack!
10. Why do you wear a pair of panties and only one bra?
That's an interesting one.
If you cut a pair of trousers down the middle and keep only one side, is it a trous or a trou?
12. If nothing sticks to Teflon, how do you get Teflon to stick to a pan?
In actual fact, a pan is coated with teflon but the teflon gradually wears off. This is because teflon doesn't stick to pans either!
14. Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds?
Why aren't all words spelled the way they sound? It makes it so confusing for the poor kids to learn. They spell want as wont, which sounds right. You tell them how to pronounce won't and it confuses them. Why is one spelt as one. It should be spelt wun.
16. Why are there floatation devices under plane seats instead of parachutes?
What a bloody good question!
19. Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
Metaphorically speaking, literally No.
22. If a cow laughs, does milk come out it's nose?
No, it's snot true.
23. If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on you headlights,
what happens?
I guess the lights would be on but there would be no beam of light in front of them?
(You need Durandal for this one.)
24. You know how most packages say Open here. What is the protocol if the
package says, Open somewhere else?
You walk into a different room and open it there!
25. Why do they put Braille dots on the keypad of the drive-up ATM?
I always thought this was a good question and was gutted to realise that all keypads are made with Braille dots before they are put into place in ATMs.
Why does it kinda spoil the fun when some idiot actually answers these questions? Doh!
Things to Ponder
3. Why is an orange an orange and an apple not a red?
Because apples can also be green, but oranges are always orange.
5. What do they pack styrofoam in?
6. Why did God give men nipples?
I think this is the XY chromosome. Women have the XX chromosome and men have the XY chromosome. This chromosome represents the sex of the child so male children must have some female chromosomes in them which show up as a nipple but not a breast. That's just my opinion. I believe I read that nipples are formed long before sex organs in a foetus too, so all babies will have nipples before developing into a male or female foetus.
7. If buttered toast always lands butter-side down, and a cat always lands
on its feet, what would happen if you tied a piece of buttered toast on
the back of a cat?
It would land on its head with a smack!
10. Why do you wear a pair of panties and only one bra?
That's an interesting one.
If you cut a pair of trousers down the middle and keep only one side, is it a trous or a trou?
12. If nothing sticks to Teflon, how do you get Teflon to stick to a pan?
In actual fact, a pan is coated with teflon but the teflon gradually wears off. This is because teflon doesn't stick to pans either!
14. Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds?
Why aren't all words spelled the way they sound? It makes it so confusing for the poor kids to learn. They spell want as wont, which sounds right. You tell them how to pronounce won't and it confuses them. Why is one spelt as one. It should be spelt wun.
16. Why are there floatation devices under plane seats instead of parachutes?
What a bloody good question!
19. Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
Metaphorically speaking, literally No.
22. If a cow laughs, does milk come out it's nose?
No, it's snot true.
23. If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on you headlights,
what happens?
I guess the lights would be on but there would be no beam of light in front of them?
(You need Durandal for this one.)
24. You know how most packages say Open here. What is the protocol if the
package says, Open somewhere else?
You walk into a different room and open it there!
25. Why do they put Braille dots on the keypad of the drive-up ATM?
I always thought this was a good question and was gutted to realise that all keypads are made with Braille dots before they are put into place in ATMs.
Why does it kinda spoil the fun when some idiot actually answers these questions? Doh!
Actually, there would be a beam of light because the beam of light from your headlights moves relative to the speed of the headlights. As I recall.Rapunzel said:23. If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on you headlights,
what happens?
I guess the lights would be on but there would be no beam of light in front of them?
(You need Durandal for this one.)
Same thing with shooting a bullet in a train going twice the speed of the bullet. It won't stay in the gun.
You have some weird pondering's my friend XD
Rapunzel said:Thanks guys . . . and Durandal - WOW!
Are you at college/uni? Do you study physics? Physics is not one of my strongest points.
That was a very interesting read. I have another question for you later on Dark Matter.
I loved the comment below! I do this a lot too!
[...and yeah - I have a lot of times where I just pause to think about how massive...existence et al. is, and a lot of times, I just stop and come back with a 'Woah.'...and move on...]
Well, I'm moving onto the next step (graduate school - in a totally different career pursuit, I picked the worst time to pursue what I was previously doing...stupid economic meltdowns...). I don't actively study physics (last time I deal with physics, Black Mesa Research Facility was leveled...) anymore, but I do have a degree in Computer Science, which required mind-numbing mathematics courses that included a lot of physics. Physics is more of a study hobby of mine (yeah, I know...sexy...pffftt, I wish...), and I actually read books and such, which seems to be something of a lost art these days. Again, as I've said, much of that I mentioned, and much of what guys like Hawking say is just theory. Until we are able to actually find someone from the future say, in Charlie Chaplin movies...
...oh, wait... http://www.youtube.c...h?v=TiIrpEMbQ2M
Nebulous said:
Well, some people call a driveway a 'carpark' - which can also be used for parking lots as well...
Nebulous said:
To make it hotter! You don't just go up to 10; you go to 11!
Nebulous said:
Cardboard; or wood, even.
Nebulous said:
...well, that would have to presume Genesis Creationism is fact, but I'll run with that one - because Adam was made from dust/dirt, and nipples are fleshly reminders of his origin. --Book of Durandal, 1:7 (plus men's nipples technically are not useless...under the certain set of conditions they can function quite like the female ones).
Nebulous said:10. Why do you wear a pair of panties and only one bra? [EDIT: Emphasis added]
They're just sooo lacy, and freeing; silky, satiny freedom for Little Durandal!
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Did I just say that out loud? Uh-oh...
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
This question is why you should buy uncoated cookware.
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
You don't need a Driver's License to buy liquor, merely a state/territory-issued identification is needed, proving that the issuant is of legal age to purchase the product.
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
It isn't? [pho-/net-/ic-]
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
There aren't - there are highways that were built with the Interstate system, but not actually a part of it - the highways in Hawai'i are H1, H2, H3, and H4.
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
Scary.
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
In most jurisdictions, you actually have to close for at least an hour (business regulations, and for the shopkeeper's lunch).
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
Either hypothetically nothing, or when you came out of the speed of light, you'd have some funky growth added to your vessel or your own being. Since lightspeed requires theoretically infinite mass, and you added more light energy to the equation, you'd either be adding more infinite mass, and in a scale of infinity (and considering that all turning on headlights is doing is activating potential energy that was already theoretically factored in), if wouldn't be adding anything more than the whole. On the other hand, not having actually experienced any of this - we could 'break Infinity', since we don't even know if 'Infinity' exists and end up with Infinite + headlights energy which when drawn down from the energy from the speed of light into a smaller velocity, you'd end up with this extra lump of mass in whatever matter was traveling at that speed. I'd have to imagine something spectacular and explosive might happen then.
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
Strange interpretations of the ADA? More practically I'm guessing the ATMs, while designed to be preferably accessed by a user within a motor vehicle, could also be used by an individual walking by - or a person with a personal driver but that has a sight disability could request to be taken through the drive-through, and it is the person's account, not the driver, so I presume it would only be ethical to allow the sight disabled person to use the ATM, rather than the driver, whom is an adapted accessory of the person in this case.
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
Again, that's not always the case...
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
Do you want to pay $10,000.00 USD to fly Chicago-O'Hare to Logan in Boston?
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
Cotton is a plant, not an animal, unless you named your little Baa-Baa, Cotton.
Nebulous' timestamp='1292745481' post='191496 said:
Well, the term apartment, from what I understand actually - apartment was/is a term used for bedrooms/personal quarters in a manor house/castle keep/palace. For poor peasantry, a 'house' was a one-room affair. For the richer folk that had space for 'apartments' (and many manor houses of the more minor and middle-echelon lords didn't), the bedrooms had a bath area, a fireplace (where hypothetically you could cook), and sometimes an office area and even parlor as well. If you think about it, that's much like what many average apartments have now (albeit maybe more separate), they were called apartments, because they were 'apart' from the main hall (often where people slept in lieu of apartments, and even in that case, only the lords and guests of the manor got to sleep in rooms, the rest of the folks, servants, and even knights, slept on the floor of the great hall) of the palace, etc.
Both aspects suffer from material degradation. Immortality Fail!
Immortality likely cannot be achieved in a material form.
...plus, seriously you're forgetting the merging with an insane-AI, an important step in achieving superiority over non-nanomodded Humans. Good li'l' UNATCO trooper.
Immortality likely cannot be achieved in a material form.
...plus, seriously you're forgetting the merging with an insane-AI, an important step in achieving superiority over non-nanomodded Humans. Good li'l' UNATCO trooper.