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Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality

RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Nebulous said:
Regardless, seems kind of hypocritical to be involved in something you're so against.

Sure if I was taking from government. But regardless thats what this debate is about. Freebies.

no, it's more of a rights issue... you're just trying to make people think the gays want your money and that's why they want to get married...

A right for freebies, yes! Anyone at anytime can get married. I have no problems with gays getting married I have a problem with our tax system and do not want to expand governments power.
 
RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

TRUE LIBERTY said:
+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Nebulous said:
Regardless, seems kind of hypocritical to be involved in something you're so against.
Sure if I was taking from government. But regardless thats what this debate is about. Freebies.
no, it's more of a rights issue... you're just trying to make people think the gays want your money and that's why they want to get married...
A right for freebies, yes! Anyone at anytime can get married. I have no problems with gays getting married I have a problem with our tax system and do not want to expand governments power.

so, lets dissolve marriages altogether in america then, lets start with you, please get a divorce... thank you... (;

and weather you think you have a choice by accepting or denying your marriage benefits, you can't and you ain't... you're still getting your marriage benefits weather you claim you're not and that's the truth... not all marriage rights and benefits are financially relevant in the sense of getting a freebie or a handout... and if some do want the benefits that straight couples get, then it's their right to get them as well... who are you to say that straight people can get benefits yet gays aren't allowed and then blame it on your hatred of people wanting handouts and freebies when your own people (the straight community) demands theirs like they are above everyone...

see how i classed all straight people with you since you have one thing in common, as that being straight, and to make people believe that all straight people agree with you and have the complete same opinions as you? (;

yeah, that's true liberty at it's finest...
 
RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

TRUE LIBERTY said:
+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Nebulous said:
Regardless, seems kind of hypocritical to be involved in something you're so against.

Sure if I was taking from government. But regardless thats what this debate is about. Freebies.

no, it's more of a rights issue... you're just trying to make people think the gays want your money and that's why they want to get married...

A right for freebies, yes! Anyone at anytime can get married. I have no problems with gays getting married I have a problem with our tax system and do not want to expand governments power.

Seems a little unfair to want to block people from getting married because you have a problem with the government system. It's not like the amount of gay people getting married will ever even come close to the amount of straight people getting married. It'll just be a small fraction on some statistics page somewhere.

Anyway, whatever "freebies" married people may or may not receive doesn't even come close to other people sucking at the government's teat. Take Social security, welfare, healthcare spending, education spending, food assistance and public housing into consideration. Those are the big fish to fry when it comes to your tax dollars and people married or not can take advantage of them.
 
RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Nebulous said:
Regardless, seems kind of hypocritical to be involved in something you're so against.
Sure if I was taking from government. But regardless thats what this debate is about. Freebies.
no, it's more of a rights issue... you're just trying to make people think the gays want your money and that's why they want to get married...
A right for freebies, yes! Anyone at anytime can get married. I have no problems with gays getting married I have a problem with our tax system and do not want to expand governments power.

so, lets dissolve marriages altogether in america then, lets start with you, please get a divorce... thank you... (;

Nobody said or has any desire to dissolve marriage but you mentioning it.

and weather you think you have a choice by accepting or denying your marriage benefits, you can't and you ain't... you're still getting your marriage benefits weather you claim you're not and that's the truth...

If anyone could be more wrong today I have not seen it with that statement. No I am not and everyone has a choice.
not all marriage rights and benefits are financially relevant in the sense of getting a freebie or a handout...
Yes it is or this would not be a issue because anyone can married at anytime.

and if some do want the benefits that straight couples get, then it's their right to get them as well... who are you to say that straight people can get benefits yet gays aren't allowed and then blame it on your hatred of people wanting handouts and freebies when your own people (the straight community) demands theirs like they are above everyone...

You only read what you choose to read don't you. I don't want government in marriage for straights or gays. I do not want to expand government with other peoples money. Before long single people will demanding the same benefits because its not fair. Or single black mothers that are gay will be expecting benefits and so on and so on. Get government out of marriage all together.

see how i classed all straight people with you since you have one thing in common, as that being straight, and to make people believe that all straight people agree with you and have the complete same opinions as you? (;

I do not even know what that rant was about.

yeah, that's true liberty at it's finest...

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RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

Nebulous said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Nebulous said:
Regardless, seems kind of hypocritical to be involved in something you're so against.

Sure if I was taking from government. But regardless thats what this debate is about. Freebies.

no, it's more of a rights issue... you're just trying to make people think the gays want your money and that's why they want to get married...

A right for freebies, yes! Anyone at anytime can get married. I have no problems with gays getting married I have a problem with our tax system and do not want to expand governments power.

Seems a little unfair to want to block people from getting married because you have a problem with the government system. It's not like the amount of gay people getting married will ever even come close to the amount of straight people getting married. It'll just be a small fraction on some statistics page somewhere.

Bing a broken record nobody is blocking anyone from getting married. Anyone at any time can get married.

Anyway, whatever "freebies" married people may or may not receive doesn't even come close to other people sucking at the government's teat.

So two wrongs make a right with other peoples money.

Take Social security, welfare, healthcare spending, education spending, food assistance and public housing into consideration. Those are the big fish to fry when it comes to your tax dollars and people married or not can take advantage of them.

They are all big fish to fry when it comes to government expanding any further.
 
RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

....would someone tell the geniuses in the N.C. General Assembly to just give up.
RALEIGH, N.C. — As same-sex couples in North Carolina await federal court rulings they hope will allow them to get married, Republican legislative leaders made a last-minute move Thursday to block or delay the nuptials.

House Speaker Thom Tillis and Senate leader Phil Berger filed a motion seeking to intervene in legal challenges to the state’s gay marriage ban approved by voters in 2012. They also asked for a one-week delay to file additional documents.

The GOP legislators have hired California lawyer John C. Eastman, chairman of the conservative National Organization for Marriage.

Berger spokeswoman Shelly Carver said Eastman has agreed to forgo his first $10,000 in legal fees. After that, he will be paid $400 an hour.

American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina legal director Chris Brook criticized the move as a waste of taxpayer funds.

“The legislature has had more than a year to intervene in this matter if they felt their interests were not adequately represented, and failed to do so,” said Brook, who represents nine same-sex couples seeking the freedom to marry and adopt children. “The result here is no longer in doubt. … The legislature should quit playing politics by seeking to defend the indefensible.”

Tillis, who is running for U.S. Senate, said in a debate earlier this week he felt obligated to defend the will of North Carolina voters against “liberal activist judges” appointed by President Barack Obama.

The recent rulings striking down gay marriage bans across the nation as unconstitutional have been handed down by federal judges appointed by presidents from both parties. While North Carolina’s prohibition remains popular with religiously conservative voters, recent polls show increasing support and acceptance for same-sex marriage.

Chief U.S. District Court Judge William Osteen Jr. in Greensboro, an appointee of President George W. Bush, appears ready to strike down North Carolina’s ban after issuing an order Wednesday lifting his stays and dismissing all motions in the two cases he oversees. North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper, a Democrat, ended the state’s defense of the ban after concluding all possible legal defenses have been exhausted.
The ACLU filed a request seeking a quick ruling after the U.S. Supreme Court announced Monday it would not hear appeals to lower court rulings striking down similar marriage bans in other states. Osteen has delayed making a decision since July, when Virginia’s same-sex marriage ban was struck down by the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond. That court has jurisdiction over North Carolina and its decision is binding on Osteen.

In a third challenge filed by members of the clergy seeking to marry gay couples, U.S. District Judge Martin Reidinger in Asheville removed himself from the case Thursday, transferring it to District Court Judge Max O. Cogburn, Jr.

Tillis and Berger plan to file a motion to intervene in that case, as well.

“This threatened eleventh hour effort to intervene is strange, to say the least,” said Jake Sussman, a Charlotte lawyer representing the religious groups. “We are close to the end of this litigation and ready to banish Amendment One to the dustpan of history. We believe this is an unnecessary use of taxpayer money and judicial resources and seeks only to delay the inevitable”.

Tillis and Berger are currently not party to any of the lawsuits. They will need to file motions with Osteen and Cogburn seeking to intervene, while the judges would have to rule to give them standing. Sussman and Brook said they will oppose efforts by Tillis and Berger to intervene.(LBGTQ Nation)
 
RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

DrLeftover said:
Telling somebody to get a divorce?

These are no longer debates.

And I DID delete the Ramones song in the other thread.

Time for me to....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-a4qWCtIg

i wasn't being serious, it was me making a good point, but thanks for the debate commetary... O.o
 
RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

@TL, if you get "legally married" then you automatically get your "marriage rights", period... whatever you might do about your taxes is all up to the couple as a whole as that's what they agreed upon...when you get legally married, you agree to a contract with the government and to your partner/spouse...

same sex couples still can't get officially "legally married" in places...

the reason why you're against it is because you believe that without any facts, or data, or proof to your claim, actually believe that same sex couples' only motive on the matter is money and not them having the right to get married like straight couples...
 
RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

+Justice said:
@TL, if you get "legally married" then you automatically get your "marriage rights", period... whatever you might do about your taxes is all up to the couple as a whole as that's what they agreed upon...when you get legally married, you agree to a contract with the government and to your partner/spouse...

same sex couples still can't get officially "legally married" in places...

the reason why you're against it is because you believe that without any facts, or data, or proof to your claim, actually believe that same sex couples' only motive on the matter is money and not them having the right to get married like straight couples...

Most states recognize couples rights if they choose to live together straight or gay now so once again it is for the freebies.

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RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

...add two more states to the list of those where marriage equality is now the law of the land: Idaho & North Carolina....
The Supreme Court cleared the way Friday for gay marriages to begin in Idaho by lifting a temporary order from earlier this week. The justices turned down an appeal from Idaho's governor seeking to block same-sex marriages there. An earlier temporary order from Justice Anthony Kennedy was vacated.

Meanwhile, in North Carolina, a federal District Court judge ruled that state’s ban on gay marriages unconstitutional. Officials in Asheville planned to start issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples immediately.

The court's action in Idaho culminates a week in which the justices stood back and allowed same-sex marriage to become legal in most of the nation.

On Monday, the court turned down appeals from five states where federal appeals courts ruled gays and lesbians had a constitutional right to marry. These appellate courts -- in Denver, Chicago and Richmond, Va. -- said Americans have a right to marry, and the states had no convincing reason for excluding gay couples.

A day later, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco struck down the bans on same-sex marriage in Idaho and Nevada and said discrimination against gays and lesbians is nearly always unconstitutional.

Idaho's Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter filed an emergency appeal asking Justice Anthony Kennedy, who oversees the 9th Circuit, to put the ruling on hold while the state appealed. Kennedy did so in a brief order.

To keep gay marriages on hold, Idaho's attorneys had to argue there was a strong likelihood the full court would hear their appeal and ultimately reverse the 9th Circuit.

Neither claim seemed plausible after Monday's announcement.(Los Angeles Times)
 
RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

TRUE LIBERTY said:
+Justice said:
@TL, if you get "legally married" then you automatically get your "marriage rights", period... whatever you might do about your taxes is all up to the couple as a whole as that's what they agreed upon...when you get legally married, you agree to a contract with the government and to your partner/spouse...

same sex couples still can't get officially "legally married" in places...

the reason why you're against it is because you believe that without any facts, or data, or proof to your claim, actually believe that same sex couples' only motive on the matter is money and not them having the right to get married like straight couples...

Most states recognize couples rights if they choose to live together straight or gay now so once again it is for the freebies.

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here we go again, going in circles... :S
 
RE: Supreme Court Extends Marriage Equality In 11 More States

Nebulous said:

35 states atm...quoting:
In 29 states - CA, CO, CT, DE, HI, ID, IA, IL, IN, ME, MD, MA, MN, NC, NH, NJ, NM, NV, NY, OK, OR, PA, RI, UT, VA, VT, WA, WV and WI, plus Washington, D.C. - same-sex couples have the freedom to marry.

In an additional six states - AK, AZ, KS, MT, SC, and WY - federal appellate rulings have set a binding precedent in favor of the freedom to marry, meaning the path is cleared for the freedom to marry there.

In an additional 8 states, judges have issued rulings in favor of the freedom to marry, with many of these rulings now stayed as they proceed to appellate courts: In AR, FL, KY, MI, and TX, judges have struck down marriage bans, and in LA, OH and TN, judges have issued more limited pro-marriage rulings.

In MO, the marriages of same-sex couples legally performed in other states are respected.(Freedom To Marry)
 
Nebulous said:
Webster said:
35 states atm...

Sweet, 15 to go. :!:

I think what's happening as more & more states come to the side of the angels - rhetorically speaking - is that you're seeing more of an inevitably argument now being put before the courts, which could very well be why the High Court declined to hear the appellate case from last week. In their mind, they see the issue of marriage equality as pretty much de facto settled law...now, this doesn't mean they won't revisit it at some point, but as long as there are no opposing decisions, they may be willing to simply let the Circuit decisions stand as the relevant decisions in this regard.
 
....add America's Last Frontier as another state where marriage equality is now the law of the land...
A federal judge struck down Alaska’s ban on same-sex marriage on Sunday evening.

The court ruled that the ban was unconstitutional under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the U.S. Constitution.

Writing for the U.S. District Judge Timothy M. Burgess wrote that any relationship between the ban and government interests was "either nonexistent or purely speculative."

"Alaska’s same-sex marriage laws are a prime example of how “the varying treatment of different groups or persons is so unrelated to the achievement of any combination of legitimate purposes that we can only
conclude that the legislature’s actions were irrational,” Burgess wrote.

"Refusing the rights and responsibilities afforded by legal marriage sends the public a government-sponsored message that same-sex couples and their familial relationships do not warrant the status, benefits, and dignity given to couples of the opposite sex."

The state has the option of appealing to the 9th Circut, which is has already struck down similar bans in Idaho and Nevada.

When voters passed the amendment to the state constitution defining marriage as between a man and a woman in 1998, it was the first of its kind.
 
DrLeftover said:
Another example of a judge saying that the voters of a state have no say in how their state is run.

I thought our government was supposed to be "By the people, for....."

Oh well.

Or it could be that the judiciary is reminding the American people that, on certain issues, such as marriage equality, the voters do not - and quite frankly, should not - get the final say. On some things, Doc, I, for one, do not trust the will of the voters on certain issues because, as history has shown at times, voters' can be fickle bigots.
 
Webster said:
DrLeftover said:
Another example of a judge saying that the voters of a state have no say in how their state is run.

I thought our government was supposed to be "By the people, for....."

Oh well.

Or it could be that the judiciary is reminding the American people that, on certain issues, such as marriage equality, the voters do not - and quite frankly, should not - get the final say. On some things, Doc, I, for one, do not trust the will of the voters on certain issues because, as history has shown at times, voters' can be fickle bigots.

My sentiments exactly. While I agree that we are capable of making some decisions for ourselves, most of them anyway, there are just some issues where decisions come from uninformed, bigoted, prejudice, and downright ignorant minds. This is one of those topics I don't trust other people to make decisions about. Even the government has been very fickle about it until now, so really human beings in general are not to be trusted with much of anything these days. I'm just glad the government has finally pulled their heads out of their asses and stood up for what is right in this case, not because of some ancient way of thinking.
 
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