The Keystone Pipeline Debate

[+paradox]

okay, lets get something straight, you're in support of the creation of the pipeline, so therefor you support them taking people's land... that's the only way they're able to build it...

all the other crap you posted is

No they can build a pipeline without choosing to force people to sell there land. We have tens of thousands of miles of highway across America. There is no reason they can't build this pipeline using the same principles.

tell them to the hundreds and thousands of people that are being disrespected by the private foreign owned company and governments...

the tribes and nations of the natives... privately owned land owners and farmers that are forced to comply... you don't hear about that stuff in your brainwashing fox news and websites you watch/read...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

okay, lets get something straight, you're in support of the creation of the pipeline, so therefor you support them taking people's land... that's the only way they're able to build it...

all the other crap you posted is

No they can build a pipeline without choosing to force people to sell there land. We have tens of thousands of miles of highway across America. There is no reason they can't build this pipeline using the same principles.

tell them to the hundreds and thousands of people that are being disrespected by the private foreign owned company and governments...

the tribes and nations of the natives... privately owned land owners and farmers that are forced to comply... you don't hear about that stuff in your brainwashing fox news and websites you watch/read...

It has not even started yet but when it does those kinds of stories will come to light and bad press will make these people rethink there strategy if in fact there plan is to force people to steal there land.

 

[Webster]

okay, lets get something straight, you're in support of the creation of the pipeline, so therefor you support them taking people's land... that's the only way they're able to build it...

all the other crap you posted is

No they can build a pipeline without choosing to force people to sell there land. We have tens of thousands of miles of highway across America. There is no reason they can't build this pipeline using the same principles.

tell them to the hundreds and thousands of people that are being disrespected by the private foreign owned company and governments...

the tribes and nations of the natives... privately owned land owners and farmers that are forced to comply... you don't hear about that stuff in your brainwashing fox news and websites you watch/read...

So? What about the 42,000+ jobs that will be created when the pipeline is built? Aren't those jobs just as vital as others in the American economy or are certain jobs better than others?

 

[+paradox]

okay, lets get something straight, you're in support of the creation of the pipeline, so therefor you support them taking people's land... that's the only way they're able to build it...

all the other crap you posted is

No they can build a pipeline without choosing to force people to sell there land. We have tens of thousands of miles of highway across America. There is no reason they can't build this pipeline using the same principles.

tell them to the hundreds and thousands of people that are being disrespected by the private foreign owned company and governments...

the tribes and nations of the natives... privately owned land owners and farmers that are forced to comply... you don't hear about that stuff in your brainwashing fox news and websites you watch/read...

So? What about the 42,000+ jobs that will be created when the pipeline is built? Aren't those jobs just as vital as others in the American economy or are certain jobs better than others?

actually, that's a lie that the righties are spewing...

more like 45-100 permanent jobs...

all of those construction workers already have a job and once they get the thing built, then those workers will move on to another project... in which, in reality, there's not going to be any "new" jobs out of this disgrace of a project...

if you actually do your homework and watch those great videos i've posted, you'll understand and know the truth... it's all on the transcanada website as well...

and just because something creates a job or two doesn't automatically make it something worth doing...

 

[Webster]

actually, that's a lie that the righties are spewing...
more like 45-100 permanent jobs...

all of those construction workers already have a job and once the get the thing built, then those workers will move on to another project... in which, in reality, there's not going to be any "new" jobs out of this disgrace of a project...

if you actually do your homework and watch those great videos i've posted, you'll understand and know the truth... it's all on the transcanada website as well...

and just because something creates a job or two doesn't automatically make it something worth doing...

The 42k+ number also came from the State Department's own figures back when Hillary was SecState, Freezy...and the U.S. government hasn't exactly been a friend of the oil & gas industry either. But to answer your point...what's your solution for tapping into the tar sands - and no, leaving them in the ground is not an option - because they will, in all likelihood, be tapped anyway; better for us to reap the economic benefits than, say, China...

*scratches head in thought* ...but if you're so fired up to play the environmentalist, my friend, then give up your computer, give up your cellphones, give up technology, the internal combustion engine and everything else of substance modern technology has wrought and get back to us on how the experience went, m'kay?

 

[+paradox]

i'm not playing the environmentalist, i'm playing the common sensealist...

no new jobs but a few dozen permanent ones...

even transcanada says on their website that it's for the global market and not for america's market...

transcanada and china are one and the same...

transcanada wants to take people's land from them because they think "they have the right to do so"...

transcanada wants to do this for money, nothing more and nothing less...

by making this pipeline, will not affect america's gas/oil prices like the righties are trying to spew to the blind...

transcanada can make their own refineries in canada and ship it from canada's coast...

there's no benefits for american citizens or america as a country, but instead, more dangers of leaks and damage to the lands, water and our air we breathe...

obviously, you don't know the truth about this greedy scam...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

okay, lets get something straight, you're in support of the creation of the pipeline, so therefor you support them taking people's land... that's the only way they're able to build it...

all the other crap you posted is

No they can build a pipeline without choosing to force people to sell there land. We have tens of thousands of miles of highway across America. There is no reason they can't build this pipeline using the same principles.

tell them to the hundreds and thousands of people that are being disrespected by the private foreign owned company and governments...

the tribes and nations of the natives... privately owned land owners and farmers that are forced to comply... you don't hear about that stuff in your brainwashing fox news and websites you watch/read...

So? What about the 42,000+ jobs that will be created when the pipeline is built? Aren't those jobs just as vital as others in the American economy or are certain jobs better than others?

actually, that's a lie that the righties are spewing...

more like 45-100 permanent jobs...

Now that is a outright lie.

 

[+paradox]

again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIdfQBs0aL4

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Again what? Do not see anything in writing with a link. I don't mind a video to begin a discussion but a constant string of long running videos I wont bother whatever point it is you are trying to make here.
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okay, lets get something straight, you're in support of the creation of the pipeline, so therefor you support them taking people's land... that's the only way they're able to build it...

all the other crap you posted is

No they can build a pipeline without choosing to force people to sell there land. We have tens of thousands of miles of highway across America. There is no reason they can't build this pipeline using the same principles.

tell them to the hundreds and thousands of people that are being disrespected by the private foreign owned company and governments...

the tribes and nations of the natives... privately owned land owners and farmers that are forced to comply... you don't hear about that stuff in your brainwashing fox news and websites you watch/read...

So? What about the 42,000+ jobs that will be created when the pipeline is built? Aren't those jobs just as vital as others in the American economy or are certain jobs better than others?

Giving people 42,000 jobs for several years does not count. But the left saying it is just going to give 30 permanent jobs after it is built is just insane. This is going to be what 1400 miles of pipeline? All that pipeline does not take care of itself. Then the new facilities on both sides that need to ship out the oil and receive the oil are not run by robots so that means more jobs also. And then all the other things that create jobs I can't even think about also.

 

[+paradox]

no, the construction project will last a year or two tops... with only 45-100 permanent jobs...

those temporarily jobs aren't going to bring forth people that are in need of a job, but will make people that are already employed to work on the project and then move on to another project after they complete it... obviously, you have no idea what a huge construction company is all about and how they do things... so please don't try to act like you do know something when you clearly do not know...

transcanada already have inspectors and mechanics that will take care of inspections and maintenance...

again, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about...

good job there buddy...  

also, on a side note, let me say this again, just because something brings forth some jobs DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN IT'S A GOOD IDEA!

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

That's about what I said in several years. And I will stick with several years because name me a huge construction something like this going across country with varied landscapes where a project does not take longer then planned.

Oh now it's 45 to a 100 jobs instead of 30. Lol! That's funny but not true.

Of course it's going to bring forth people looking for new jobs. It's not everyday you run this kind of a large project. That means more transportation of the materials. Companies hiring more to make the materials. And all the other dozens of vendors that will be needed for construction. So of course with the slightest common sense you know it is going to produce a lot of jobs.

Yes they have inspectors for there current property and obviously they will need new teams and equipment for a thousand plus miles of new line.

Why thank you I know it is a good job.

But in this case it will be good idea. A very good idea.

 

[+paradox]

That's about what I said in several years. And I will stick with several years because name me a huge construction something like this going across country with varied landscapes where a project does not take longer then planned.
because they already have everything set up and ready... they have all the materials ready, most landscapes already surveyed and computerized... all the pipes ready...

it wont take that long because it's their company that's going to be doing the project... the only reason why highways and bridges take forever is because the government gives the lowest builder the contract and the government gives them a long spread out, so they can manage the project... this will not be a government project, it will be a company project, the faster they have it built the faster they will make money... it's estimated that it will take 1 to 2 years, 3 years tops... but 3 years is pushing it...

Oh now it's 45 to a 100 jobs instead of 30. Lol! That's funny but not true.
i've been saying 45 to 100 jobs, in no where in this thread i said 30... and yes, it's very true...


Of course it's going to bring forth people looking for new jobs. It's not everyday you run this kind of a large project. That means more transportation of the materials. Companies hiring more to make the materials. And all the other dozens of vendors that will be needed for construction. So of course with the slightest common sense you know it is going to produce a lot of jobs.
not really, they already have everything planed out and ready... they been had things ready, they just need the approval and the land owners/natives approval, which i don't think it will ever happen, especially the natives in canada...


Yes they have inspectors for there current property and obviously they will need new teams and equipment for a thousand plus miles of new line.
again, far from the truth... they already have many employees to do those jobs and another 45-100 new permanent jobs to help those already employed workers...


Why thank you I know it is a good job.
an epic fail on your part, mainly because of your pride or ego, you wont except truth even when it gets smacked on your forehead...


But in this case it will be good idea. A very good idea.
not really, it wont do nothing for america but pollute and have potential dangers in our back yards... you wont learn how it feels until it happens to you so stop pretending you know what those people are going through and what this dangerous company is trying to do... oh, and by the way, transcanada is not a canadian company, even canada is not benefiting nearly as much as it should by this foreign company... even canadians are against this company and this project...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

That's about what I said in several years. And I will stick with several years because name me a huge construction something like this going across country with varied landscapes where a project does not take longer then planned.
because they already have everything set up and ready... they have all the materials ready, most landscapes already surveyed and computerized... all the pipes ready...

it wont take that long because it's their company that's going to be doing the project... the only reason why highways and bridges take forever is because the government gives the lowest builder the contract and the government gives them a long spread out, so they can manage the project... this will not be a government project, it will be a company project, the faster they have it built the faster they will make money... it's estimated that it will take 1 to 2 years, 3 years tops... but 3 years is pushing it...

They may have everything planned out but no company is going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars ahead of time for something that MIGHT happen and then store all of this in god knows how many square feet of buildings. A company would have to be mad to do such a thing. As I said all of the equipment and supplies will have to be made if this project ever begins. This project will take years.

Oh now it's 45 to a 100 jobs instead of 30. Lol! That's funny but not true.
i've been saying 45 to 100 jobs, in no where in this thread i said 30... and yes, it's very true...


Of course it's going to bring forth people looking for new jobs. It's not everyday you run this kind of a large project. That means more transportation of the materials. Companies hiring more to make the materials. And all the other dozens of vendors that will be needed for construction. So of course with the slightest common sense you know it is going to produce a lot of jobs.
not really, they already have everything planed out and ready... they been had things ready, they just need the approval and the land owners/natives approval, which i don't think it will ever happen, especially the natives in canada...

Yes really and absolutely. Planned out means they know they will need everything I said above

Yes they have inspectors for there current property and obviously they will need new teams and equipment for a thousand plus miles of new line.
again, far from the truth... they already have many employees to do those jobs and another 45-100 new permanent jobs to help those already employed workers...

No it is the absolute truth. Whole new maintenance teams and inspectors will be needed for 1500 miles or more of pipeline.

Why thank you I know it is a good job.
an epic fail on your part, mainly because of your pride or ego, you wont except truth even when it gets smacked on your forehead...

It is truthful reality and common sense that a project will create temporary and many pennant jobs. The denial is thinking otherwise because people hate a project like this for whatever personal issues they have with oil.

But in this case it will be good idea. A very good idea.
not really, it wont do nothing for america but pollute and have potential dangers in our back yards... you wont learn how it feels until it happens to you so stop pretending you know what those people are going through and what this dangerous company is trying to do... oh, and by the way, transcanada is not a canadian company, even canada is not benefiting nearly as much as it should by this foreign company... even canadians are against this company and this project...

Yes really because it ain't going to pollute and the potential dangers outweigh all the benefits of jobs and energy by a wide margin. People are not going through anything yet because nothing has happened. Just like America the people for it far outweigh the people against.