The Question of Pornography & Society

[DrLeftover]

I think that's over in the Official Politics Thread, Doc....

Why is that discussion political and this one isn't?

just askin'

 

[Webster]

Why is that discussion political and this one isn't?

just askin'

I think it was because it would've gotten lost in the shuffle over there; you know we talk about everything there.

 

[Webster]

Consider Before Consuming: SHAWN BLYMILLER, RECOVERING SEX ADDICT, YOGI, HUSBAND, & FATHER

Shawn is a husband, father, yogi, and a student of overall wellness. He is also a recovering sex and porn addict. After being exposed to pornography at a very young and impressionable age, Shawn found himself grappling with addiction before he had the chance to learn about healthy sexuality. Despite his efforts to quit and even after confiding in his wife, Shawn struggled with his compulsion to watch porn. Eventually, his addiction escalated to having affairs with multiple women. Hear podcast host Garrett Jonsson and Shawn discuss how his addiction escalated over time and how his wife and him have since taken steps toward recovery, both for Shawn and their marriage.

Pornography:The New Sex Ed For Kids

Is your kid learning about sex through porn?

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Donald Hebb Formulates the "Hebb Synapse" in Neuropsychological Theory : History of Information

Donald Hebb Formulates the

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[Webster]

Consider Before Consuming: HEIDI OLSON, SEXUAL ASSAULT NURSE EXAMINER (SANE)

Trigger warning: This episode contains graphic depictions of child sex abuse- listener discretion is advised.

Full disclosure: the topics discussed in this episode are heavy, but absolutely essential to consider when it comes to protecting children in our community. In this episode of Consider Before Consuming, we sat down with Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner (SANE) Heidi Olson. Heidi works specifically with children at a children’s hospital in Kansas City near the border of Kansas and Missouri. Fully expecting to be dealing with cases where adults were the perpetrators, Heidi was shocked to see that, in 2017, almost half of the perpetrators who walked through her hospital’s doors were minors. After learning more about what pornography is like today and how easy it is for a child to access it on their devices, Heidi describes to podcast host, Garrett Jonsson, “all of the dots started to connect in my mind…a lot of these young perpetrators are being exposed to mainstream pornography and they are acting out what they are seeing.” Listen as Heidi explains the risk of kids becoming victims and perpetrators of sexual assault due to exposure of pornography, and learn what we can do as members of society to combat this rampant issue.

Child-on-Child Sexual Assault Connection to Porn and Shame

"When I became a SANE nurse, I thought the typical perpetrator was going to be an older male, but I was wrong. The biggest age range of pe...

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Objectification vs. Empathy: Can Consuming Porn Lessen Your Capacity to Relate to Others?

If we turn people into objects, we no longer see them as having feelings and can’t empathize with them. This is how porn diminishes compassion.

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Heidi Olson, RN, BSN, CPN, SANE-P – Truth About Porn

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[Webster]

Consider Before Consuming: CLAIRE, ACTIVIST & RECOVERED COMPULSIVE PORN CONSUMER

Think porn is just a “guy” problem? Think again. This week’s conversation is with Claire, a former compulsive porn consumer and anti-porn activist. Claire stumbled across porn at a young age, and what started as a natural curiosity of human sexuality turned into something else completely—a compulsive behavior to watch more and more explicit content, in more hardcore versions. It wasn’t until she was in high school, when her dad brought home some information he learned from a live presentation by Fight the New Drug, that she realized she struggled with pornography. Even then, she kept her compulsion a secret. She now describes how she is “grateful” her parents caught her when she was sixteen, and perhaps even more so for their loving reaction. Listen to Claire and podcast host Garrett Jonsson swap stories about their individual struggles, and learn how Claire has found her way from feeling shame about her struggles to freedom in her story recovery.

Think Women Don't Struggle with Porn? Read These 5 Stories

"A boy introduced it to me when I was fourteen. It’s like sinking sand with no escape. I was convinced that I was the only one. I thought..."

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Chaz Smith - Consider Before Consuming

Episode 3 Chaz Smith Social Media Influencer & Fighter Available wherever you get your podcasts Fight the New Drug collaborates with a variety of qualified organizations and individuals with varying...

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[Monke from Tropix 2]

Hopping into this thread thinking someone would defend porn as some sort of "artistic expression" or "practicing their freedom of speech" or whatever buzzwords they'd throw to make it sound empowering.

Holy shit these headlines are depressing.

Reminds me of the term "EPI" floating around the circles I'm in. Sucks to be in any online fandom without fan nerds defending pornification of their special interest as "normal".

 

[Monke from Tropix 2]

But men will think about naked women, but the Bible explains it's not wrong until it turns into an obsession.

This. Basically! Honest discussion with this is rare in online spaces nowadays. I can't even argue against it (porn) without ad hominem coming in my way

 

[Webster]

Sucks to be in any online fandom without fan nerds defending pornification of their special interest as "normal".

#Rule34.

Anyway.....
Consider Before Consuming: MARISOL NICHOLS - ACTRESS, ACTIVIST, & FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SLAVERY FREE WORLD

You may know Marisol Nichols as Hermione Lodge in the hugely popular Warner Bros and Netflix critically-acclaimed hit television series Riverdale. To some, the Chicago native is an actress, but to others she’s a hero. After learning about the rampant issue of human trafficking, Marisol has worked with law enforcement and state and federal legislators for over a decade to help catch child sexual predators and human traffickers by going undercover. She also founded Foundation for a Slavery Free World, a non-profit that produces events in Hollywood to raise awareness on trafficking and awards individuals and other non-profit groups for their heroic work in this field.

You can learn more about Foundation for a Slavery Free World at www.slaveryfreeworld.org and connect with Marisol on Instagram at @marisolnichols.

Singer Duffy Writes To Reed Hastings Asking Netflix To Take Down Controversial Polish Film ‘365 Days’: “It Glamorizes Rape”

“It Glamorizes Rape” says the singer as she calls for the streamer to take the movie down.

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[Dinoking]

Pornography had dangerous addiction properties, aside from just any moral and/or religious objections.

I find it boring myself, but then again, I'm at an advanced age where I have to eat certain foods just have high enough testosterone.

The fact of the matter remains that pornography can be extremely addictive. It actually stimulates dopamine and other neurotransmitters in the brain in such a way, that it becomes impossible to escape the addiction. I think that these politicians should have thought about it earlier. The irreversible damage has now been done.

 

[Uncrowned]

I don’t think the conversation around this topic gets anywhere when it’s framed as “support it or ban it.” The reality is that when a controversial industry is pushed into the shadows, the problems surrounding it usually get worse, not better. If something is driven off mainstream, moderated platforms, people, including minors, don’t stop looking for it. They just end up finding the unregulated, unmoderated corners of the internet where there are no safeguards at all.

What makes this even harder is that we don’t seem able to have a mature, realistic public conversation about the subject. Government discussions tend to swing between extremes, and communities often treat the entire topic as taboo. The result is an industry that operates with very little structural support, oversight, or accountability. That vacuum is exactly where exploitation and abuse thrive. If banning something actually solved those issues, the illegal side of the sex trade wouldn’t be as widespread as it is today.

Addiction is another part of the conversation that gets flattened. It’s a real issue, but we don’t handle it consistently. We condemn one type of addictive behavior while casinos and sports betting run ads that are basically designed to trigger compulsive habits. Making something illegal has never been an effective cure for addiction; we’ve seen that with drugs, gambling, and alcohol. Restriction without support just pushes people toward more dangerous versions of the same behavior.

So for me, the question isn’t “should this exist,” but “does banning it actually fix anything, or does it remove the few safeguards we currently have and create something worse?” If we can’t talk about the topic honestly, we can’t fix the problems surrounding it. And the honest truth is that porn is here and full of problems, and simply banning it will not remove that part.

 

[Webster]

Consider Before Consuming: CAROLYN WEST, PSYCHOLOGY PROFESSOR, FILMMAKER, AUTHOR, SPEAKER, & DOMESTIC VIOLENCE EXPERT

Dr. Carolyn M. West is a Professor of Clinical Psychology at the University of Washington where she teaches courses on human sexuality, family violence, sex crimes, and sexual violence. She is nationally recognized for her scholarship on gender-based violence in the lives of African American women and specializes in domestic violence, sexual assault, and sexual harassment. During Dr. West’s 30 years in the field of healthy sexuality and racial equality, she has traveled internationally to consult, lecture, and deliver training seminars on topics related to intimate partner violence and sexual assault. Dr. Carolyn West sat down to talk with Consider Before Consuming podcast host, Garrett Jonsson, to discuss the role pornography plays in perpetuating racism and sexual violence. Listeners can also learn more about her documentary, “Let Me Tell Ya’ll ’Bout Black Chicks: Images of Black Women in Pornography.” You can find Dr. Carolyn West at DrCarolynWest.com.

Pornhub’s “Black Lives Matter” Genre and the Industry’s Brash Racism

Fear of Black sexuality is lucrative—and dangerous.

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https://fightthenewdrug.org/media/dr-carolyn-west-on-racism-in-porn/

 

[MrDawn]

The fact of the matter remains that pornography can be extremely addictive. It actually stimulates dopamine and other neurotransmitters in the brain in such a way, that it becomes impossible to escape the addiction. I think that these politicians should have thought about it earlier. The irreversible damage has now been done.

Porn has been around for thousands & thousands of years. It goes as far back as Ancient Rome.

"Pornography existed in Ancient Rome, though viewed differently; evidence includes erotic frescoes in Pompeii, phallic imagery of gods like Priapus, brothel tokens depicting sex acts (like the Putney Disk), and a widespread sex industry with low-status prostitutes, showing that while social norms existed, explicit depictions and practices were common and documented, even influencing later art.
Forms of Roman "Pornography":

• Erotic Art: Excavations in Pompeii and Herculaneum reveal extensive erotic frescoes and mosaics in homes, bathhouses, and brothels (lupanaria), depicting various sexual acts openly.
• Phallic Imagery: Statues and depictions of Priapus, the god of fertility and gardens, often with prominent phalluses, served as symbols of protection, luck, and sometimes explicit decoration, according to Wikipedia.
• Brothel Tokens: Artifacts like the Putney Disk (a first-century AD bronze disk) show explicit scenes and were used as tokens or currency within the sex industry, notes New York Times / Archive.
• Literary References: Roman texts sometimes describe sexual acts, though often within specific contexts of satire, mythology, or as a reflection of societal views on sexuality.

Sexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia

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[Monke from Tropix 2]

That much was obvious.

So for me, the question isn’t “should this exist,” but “does banning it actually fix anything, or does it remove the few safeguards we currently have and create something worse?” If we can’t talk about the topic honestly, we can’t fix the problems surrounding it. And the honest truth is that porn is here and full of problems, and simply banning it will not remove that part.

Exactly. Age-gating the Internet is neigh impossible when those usually leaked into mainstream social media, like FB, X, Youtube, with zero problems or consequences.

Suffering is when knowing you shared a fandom space with porn-fried individuals, middle school aged mind you, with extreme fetishism that goes with them.

 

[Webster]

like FB, X, Youtube

And those places don't give two about you unless you break their rules, which they often unfortunately fail to enforce evenly.

 

[Webster]

Consider Before Consuming: JAY TAYLOR - SOCIAL WORKER, EDUCATOR, & RESOURCE TRAINER AT A CALL TO MEN

Jay Taylor is a social worker dedicated to social justice and equality initiatives. Taylor has worked in anti-human trafficking, community health centers, young men’s restorative programing, psychiatric hospitals, university wellness centers, and as an adjunct college professor. His involvement with men’s issues began when he worked with men in anti-human trafficking and domestic violence programs. Today, Jay is a Resource Trainer and Specialist in Violence Prevention for Colleges & Universities and Mental Health Education at A Call To Men, a violence prevention organization and respected leader on issues of manhood, male socialization and its intersection with violence, and preventing violence against all women and girls. We sat down with Jay Taylor during the Coalition to End Sexual Exploitation Summit in 2019, and our conversation about how pornography influences problematic behavior, particularly in men, is still relevant today.

https://www.instagram.com/acalltomen/

 

[Webster]

Consider Before Consuming: JOSE, HUMAN TRAFFICKING SURVIVOR, PUBLIC SPEAKER, & ACTIVIST

Jose has experienced so much in his life that would be unimaginable for many. While growing up in a small town in Texas, Jose was terrified to come out as gay to his family—particularly his physically and mentally abusive father. After coming out, Jose’s family was not accepting. The rejection he faced from his parents played a role in leading Jose to rely on other ill-intentioned adults. Unfortunately, what happened next included a pattern of sexual abuse, manipulation, and sex trafficking at the hands of his abusers who, at the time, disguised themselves as men wanting to help Jose. Jose’s story of being sex trafficked as a male who is a member of the LGBTQ+ community is not one that is often told—even though those in the LGBTQ+ community regularly experience exploitation.

Jose is now a public speaker, author, advocate, activist, and sex trafficking survivor who is sharing his story to help shed a light on these issues. We applaud Jose for his bravery and vulnerability in sharing his story with our listeners.

Jose's Story: As a Teen, I Was Sex Trafficked Through a Massage Business

"The first massage was booked, and I waited in another room as Jason directed the client into the bedroom. I was nervous, fearing I could...

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By the Numbers: Is the Porn Industry Connected to Sex Trafficking?

The porn you think is harmless may be linked to real-life sex trafficking. See the numbers that will make you think twice.

fightthenewdrug.org

 

[safeinsanity]

You may take our wives (please), but you'll never take away our porn!

 

[Webster]

You may take our wives (please), but you'll never take away our porn!

As I was telling Mr.Dawn a while back, if adults want to view porn that's their right; I won't stop them.
KIds accessing it is another story; the question is how to deal with it w/out infringing on adults' right to view it.

 

[Webster]

Deepfake Porn: Could You Be Next? Most people think of deepfakes as manipulated video clips of world leaders, designed to create confusion, yet the most pressing threat of deepfakes is not politics, but porn.

Research shows around 96 per cent of deepfake videos are pornographic, with almost 100 per cent of them involving non-consenting women.

The film features three women who have been impacted by this form of image-based sexual abuse, including a leading Florida state senator, Lauren Book, UK campaigner Kate Isaacs and Dina, a woman who was deepfaked by a work colleague.

-Link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001c1mt

 

[Monke from Tropix 2]

People should really look into literature because they're often overlooked to be porn just because they're all texts. This really sickens me:

https://www.cnews.fr/culture/2026-0...vre-vantant-la-pedocriminalite-fait-polemique (Archive)

English translation:

Described as a "dark romance", a book praising child crime is controversial, a petition calls for the work to be withdrawn - Having become a viral phenomenon on social networks, the "dark romance" work "Corps à coeur" by French author Jessie Auryann is controversial​

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By CNEWS

Having become a viral phenomenon on social networks, the work "Corps à coeur" by French author Jessie Auryann is controversial. Placed in the very popular "Dark Romance" category, the novelist depicts child criminal acts which traumatized the few readers who obtained it. A petition calls for its immediate withdrawal.

How far will creative freedom go? In the genre very popular with teenage girls, Dark Romance today occupies a special place on bookstore shelves. A literary category where eroticism and abusive relationships mix, sometimes going so far as to promote the culture of rape, and whose pages are found in the hands of middle and high school girls. Recently, it was the work "Corps à coeur" by Jessie Auryann that made headlines, causing an outcry among readers who are fans of the genre.

Although preceded by the mention "Attention: this is a Dark Romance for informed and adult audiences" on the Amazon platform where it is resold, the novel by the French author, although a mother, accumulates requests for censorship from readers and many Internet users who have heard of the controversial work on TikTok.

On the back of the book, the summary does not suggest the horror that the reader will be confronted with once the first pages are turned: Arkhan dared to reject me and impose on me a piece of himself that grows deep inside me. Only, he didn't imagine for a single second that he offered me the key to get it back. He is so upright that he will not be able to resist his daughter's call. I just have to wait to give birth to this being who will bring him back to me. And yet, this unborn child turns out to be one of the protagonists of a sordid story, where darkness and abomination are revealed under the cover of a very fashionable literary genre.

In his biography written on the site Babelio, the author Jessie Auryann makes no secret of it: she distills the worst vicissitudes of the human soul in each of her works. "My stories are built around uncomfortable situations, on thorny subjects, seeking out what we really don’t want to discover. I play with the taboos of society, I talk about what we want to keep silent, she wrote on the platform dedicated to literature.

"I therefore do not hesitate to provoke disturbing and tortured scenes. And of course I don't necessarily condone what I'm going to write, but I don't stop myself from writing the unbearable either, added the author, at the heart of an outcry for her latest novel "Corps à heart". From the first pages, the unhealthy scene is set: "In this story, you will find sensitive subjects such as death, mental illness, manipulation, suicide, mistreatment, pedophilia, incest, physical and psychological violence, rape, death, torture and prostitution".

The author deeply shocked and goes beyond the boundaries of what is bearable, deploring the numerous comments from sales platforms and content posted on social networks mentioning the said novel. "This author romanticizes rape of infants. This is not prevention but a collection for pedophiles and mentally ill people. The extracts I read traumatized me because they were so detailed and violent, I wanted to vomit, shared one of the readers.

"It’s a shame to have been able to write such scenes! I cried reading the extracts on the networks, we are fighting against rape and against mistreatment whatever it may be. The author has children herself, how can she imagine that? ⁇ , wrote an Internet user who had access to a few pages of the novel, shared on TikTok.

Requesting its immediate withdrawal from online sales sites, where it is accessible for 25 euros, a petition accessible on Change.org was created and has since collected more than 18,000 signatures. "Jessie Auryann’s work "Corps à Cœur" crosses an ethical and legal red line which requires immediate intervention", we can read on the online petition platform.

The work contains descriptions and staging which come into direct conflict with the French legislative framework. Article 227-23 of the Penal Code: the law severely punishes the dissemination of any representation of minors of a pornographic nature. The use of fiction to normalize or eroticize reports involving minors constitutes a serious attack on public order, specifies the petition launched on Sunday February 22.

Following the alert given on social networks, a spokesperson for the Amazon platform, where the book was accessible, spoke: Amazon has strict rules regarding content and we require that all books sold on Amazon comply with current regulations. We immediately investigate any reports and remove non-compliant books. Following our investigations, we are removing the title in question.