This Conservative State is Making a Move to Ban Shariah Law

[seasidemike]

so, it's better to kill the oppressed than let them live?

people being oppressed is not my main concern in the world, i care more about innocent people being slaughtered...

both usa/ally forces and "terrorist groups" are in the wrong...

Look no further than ISIS to see how they are killing the innocent

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

@TRUELIBERTY/seasidemike; My point was you're basing your argument on a fringe minority of Muslims. Which is an error in relation to ANY group.

And that's even ignoring that Muslims =/= Islam.
Islam alone = Islam.

Just like Christians are the worst representatives of Christianity, Atheists of other Atheists and Jews are of Judaism, Muslims are the worst representatives Islam could have as we are human beings. Driven by the same [evils] as all others, worldly goods, political motives etc.

This is true for all groups, and equally so.

Disrespect Muslims all you want, have reservations about Muslims as a group all you want. It's probably in some cases valid (though, in most you've posted it's not.)
Though, when it comes to Islam (The Qur'an and the Sunnah) how lacking your knowledge is, and how heavy your ignorance is, is painfully obvious.

Go back and look at those stats I posted. It's not a fringe but a majority of Islam followers. And on top of those stats it is esitamed that there are 100 million to 300 million radicals out there wanting to killl every non Muslim on planet earth. There are good Muslims but the are a minority.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

and show me stats on how many people were killed by the us military in the past ten years?

and the us is trying to support peace and non-violence...

both are wrong...

What a horrible comparison.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

cross burning and murdering of african-americans are still alive today in america by racists... the only reason why it's not as common anymore is because of the increase in laws and law enforcement not because the racists simply just changed...

Please! Cross burning is about as rare as a four leaf clover. And as much as the left would love to make every black person killed about race it is blacks killing blacks far more then anything else.

 

[Webster]

Go back and look at those stats I posted. It's not a fringe but a majority of Islam followers. And on top of those stats it is esitamed that there are 100 million to 300 million radicals out there wanting to killl every non Muslim on planet earth. There are good Muslims but the are a minority.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: until there is an Islamic Reformation of the kind that went through Christianity back in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, stats like the ones' quoted earlier will still be the norm.

 

[+paradox]

so, it's better to kill the oppressed than let them live?

people being oppressed is not my main concern in the world, i care more about innocent people being slaughtered...

both usa/ally forces and "terrorist groups" are in the wrong...

Look no further than ISIS to see how they are killing the innocent

ISIS is fairly new, there's been slaughtering of innocence in the past...

was hitler a muslim?

was gorge bush jr a muslim?

i rest my case...

 

[+paradox]

and show me stats on how many people were killed by the us military in the past ten years?

and the us is trying to support peace and non-violence...

both are wrong...

What a horrible comparison.

how?

cross burning and murdering of african-americans are still alive today in america by racists... the only reason why it's not as common anymore is because of the increase in laws and law enforcement not because the racists simply just changed...

Please! Cross burning is about as rare as a four leaf clover. And as much as the left would love to make every black person killed about race it is blacks killing blacks far more then anything else.

i'm not saying every black person killed is by a racist, i simply said there's still racists killing people, which is true... this has nothing to do with the right or left so stop bringing up politics...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

and show me stats on how many people were killed by the us military in the past ten years?

and the us is trying to support peace and non-violence...

both are wrong...

What a horrible comparison.

how?

cross burning and murdering of african-americans are still alive today in america by racists... the only reason why it's not as common anymore is because of the increase in laws and law enforcement not because the racists simply just changed...

Please! Cross burning is about as rare as a four leaf clover. And as much as the left would love to make every black person killed about race it is blacks killing blacks far more then anything else.

i'm not saying every black person killed is by a racist, i simply said there's still racists killing people, which is true... this has nothing to do with the right or left so stop bringing up politics...

And again racist killing are far and inbetween no matter how hard the left wants to say it is rampant. Comparing the any of the above todays islam is just plan silly.

 

[Webster]

Look no further than ISIS to see how they are killing the innocent

ISIS is fairly new, there's been slaughtering of innocence in the past...

was hitler a muslim?

was gorge bush jr a muslim?

i rest my case...

He's got a point, Mike...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

what about what happens in the name of freedom? more people die in the name of freedom than in the name of islam, if i'm correct... i don't like seeing or hearing about women treated like property, beaten, refused freedoms and equality as well, but it happens here in the united states too... the only difference is it's against the law here to beat women but it still happens everyday... you don't like other people/groups trying to change american culture yet america is trying to change everyone else's culture around the world...

It happens here? Lol! If the term apples and oranges should be used it is with that comment. It is not remotely in any sense of human language the same thing what the butchers in the middle east are doing to women. Stonings, genital mutilations, marrying 6 year girls off, can't drive, can't work, can't where the clothes they want, can't go where they want, and on and on. The middle east is a vile place and it only makes sense modern society wants to change it.

 

[+paradox]

what about what happens in the name of freedom? more people die in the name of freedom than in the name of islam, if i'm correct... i don't like seeing or hearing about women treated like property, beaten, refused freedoms and equality as well, but it happens here in the united states too... the only difference is it's against the law here to beat women but it still happens everyday... you don't like other people/groups trying to change american culture yet america is trying to change everyone else's culture around the world...

It happens here? Lol! If the term apples and oranges should be used it is with that comment. It is not remotely in any sense of human language the same thing what the butchers in the middle east are doing to women. Stonings, genital mutilations, marrying 6 year girls off, can't drive, can't work, can't where the clothes they want, can't go where they want, and on and on. The middle east is a vile place and it only makes sense modern society wants to change it.

omg, we are talking about women getting beat and murdered, nothing more and nothing less... there's women still being beat and killed everywhere, you're just brainwashed that it only happens in the middle east... that's my point...

why do you always have to change the subject when you can't face something head on or when you get creamed in a debate?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

what about what happens in the name of freedom? more people die in the name of freedom than in the name of islam, if i'm correct... i don't like seeing or hearing about women treated like property, beaten, refused freedoms and equality as well, but it happens here in the united states too... the only difference is it's against the law here to beat women but it still happens everyday... you don't like other people/groups trying to change american culture yet america is trying to change everyone else's culture around the world...

It happens here? Lol! If the term apples and oranges should be used it is with that comment. It is not remotely in any sense of human language the same thing what the butchers in the middle east are doing to women. Stonings, genital mutilations, marrying 6 year girls off, can't drive, can't work, can't where the clothes they want, can't go where they want, and on and on. The middle east is a vile place and it only makes sense modern society wants to change it.

omg, we are talking about women getting beat and murdered, nothing more and nothing less... there's women still being beat and killed everywhere, you're just brainwashed that it only happens in the middle east... that's my point...

why do you always have to change the subject when you can't face something head on or when you get creamed in a debate?

No we are talking about Sharia Law coming here and that is how women are treated. You wrote it like thats how we treat women here. Thats is brainwashed to try and compare a few crazies to a whole religion treating millions of women under harsh conditions.

No one changed the subject but you with some weak argument you can't back up now.

 

[Webster]

No we are talking about Sharia Law coming here and that is how women are treated. You wrote it like thats how we treat women here. Thats is brainwashed to try and compare a few crazies to a whole religion treating millions of women under harsh conditions.

Liberty, unless they can figure out a way to abolish the Constitutional provision of, oh say, separation of church & state from the 1st Amendment, sharia law will never happen. It is, as I've said before, a bigoted solution to a problem in America that does not exist.

That said, if the Muslim community - not just in America, but across the entire breadth of their community - want to change certain perceptions that others have of them, then there needs to be a Reformation of the kind that Christianity went through during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

No we are talking about Sharia Law coming here and that is how women are treated. You wrote it like thats how we treat women here. Thats is brainwashed to try and compare a few crazies to a whole religion treating millions of women under harsh conditions.

Liberty, unless they can figure out a way to abolish the Constitutional provision of, oh say, separation of church & state from the 1st Amendment, sharia law will never happen. It is, as I've said before, a bigoted solution to a problem in America that does not exist.

That said, if the Muslim community - not just in America, but across the entire breadth of their community - want to change certain perceptions that others have of them, then there needs to be a Reformation of the kind that Christianity went through during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance.

Sharia is happening here already in some states. And there is no separation of church and state in our constitution.


Agreed.

 

[Webster]

And there is no separation of church and state in our constitution. Agreed.

Tell that to the Supreme Court, who ruled in the 1947 case of Everson v. Board of Education that the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment applied not just to the federal government but to the states as well.Quoting Justice Hugo Black's opinion:

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'"

..so yes, the doctrine of separation of church and state IS IN THE CONSTITUTION, LIBERTY! ..and long may it stay there, your protestations notwithstanding!

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And there is no separation of church and state in our constitution. Agreed.

Tell that to the Supreme Court, who ruled in the 1947 case of Everson v. Board of Education that the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment applied not just to the federal government but to the states as well.Quoting Justice Hugo Black's opinion:

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'"

..so yes, the doctrine of separation of church and state IS IN THE CONSTITUTION, LIBERTY! ..and long may it stay there, your protestations notwithstanding!

The words seperation of church and government is no where in the constitution. What was meant when the founders wrote the constitution is for the federal government not interfere with religion in the states government if the people so chooses. The founders encouraged religion and prayers in congress. Jefferson as governor passed bills to teach the bible in the classroom for good morals.

the purpose of the First Amendment was not to protect Americans from religion it was to protect religion from government intrusion.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/07/09/

This country was established upon the assumption that religion was essential to good government. On July 13, 1787, the Continental Congress enacted the Northwest Ordinance, which stated: "Religion, morality and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged." (1) The First Amendment prohibited the federal government from establishing a religion to which the several states must pay homage. The First Amendment provided assurance that the federal government would not meddle in the affairs of religion within the sovereign states.

And as always happens Jeffersons words were taken out of context.

The phrase “separation of church and state” was initially coined by Baptists striving for religious toleration in Virginia, whose official state religion was then Anglican (Episcopalian). Baptists thought government limitations against religion illegitimate. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson championed their cause.

The preamble in Act Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia (1786), affirms that “the Author of our Religion gave us our ‘free will.’” And that He “chose not to propagate it by coercions.” This legislation certainly did not diminish religious influence on government for it also provided stiff penalties for conducting business on the Sabbath.

Nor did the Constitution inhibit public displays of faith. At ratification, a majority of the thirteen several and sovereign states maintained official religions. The early Republic welcomed public worship. Church services were held in the U.S. Capitol and Treasury buildings every Sunday. The imagery in many federal buildings remains unmistakably biblical.

The day after the First Amendment’s passage, Congress proclaimed a national day of prayer and thanksgiving. The inaugural Congress was largely comprised by those who drafted the Constitution. It reflects incredible arrogance to reconfigure the Bill of Rights into prohibiting religious displays on public grounds. Hanging the Ten Commandments on the wall of a county courthouse no more mandates religion than judges displaying the banner of their favorite sports team somehow equates to Congress establishing that team as preeminent.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/07/09/the-true-meaning-of-separation-of-church-and-state/

 

[+paradox]

@liberty, where in america does this foreign law is active and legal?

because i'm pretty sure just because someone or a group "says" the foreign law is active, doesn't mean the cops wont beat their ass and throw them in jail for beating or stoning a female or raping a child...

you're delusional at best...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

@liberty, where in america does this foreign law is active and legal?

because i'm pretty sure just because someone or a group "says" the foreign law is active, doesn't mean the cops wont beat their ass and throw them in jail for beating or stoning a female or raping a child...

you're delusional at best...

Why can't you liberals just keep on the subject and have to debate with dick like personal comments. Are you just not that confident about your opinion you need to lower yourself to that standard?

But let me know if you need more of creeping sharia in America.

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http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/page/12/

 

[identityissues8]

Wow. What a sickening blog, if that's your source, no wonder you are so misguided.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Wow. What a sickening blog, if that's your source, no wonder you are so misguided.

Not misguided in the least. All factual things happening.