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Torture
- Thread starter Nebulous
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... that reminds me, the other morning when it was raining the only thing I could get on the TV in the camper was that talk show with Kelly Ripa and the guy that replaced Regis.
No.
But in the past, it has proved useful in getting information out of others.
But in the past, it has proved useful in getting information out of others.
Evil Eye said:More of a grey option
Lame puns aside, it has its uses, but it's not useful for extracting information from the person being tortured.
It's not useful?
I know tactics which would make the most hard-up terrorist give up all info he/she had. Everybody talks.
EvanP said:Evil Eye said:More of a grey option
Lame puns aside, it has its uses, but it's not useful for extracting information from the person being tortured.
It's not useful?
I know tactics which would make the most hard-up terrorist give up all info he/she had. Everybody talks.
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EvanP said:Evil Eye said:More of a grey option
Lame puns aside, it has its uses, but it's not useful for extracting information from the person being tortured.
It's not useful?
I know tactics which would make the most hard-up terrorist give up all info he/she had. Everybody talks.
The question is: Do they talk the truth or a lie? That's the problem with torture is the person doing the torture already has an idea what they think the truth is and now tries to get someone to confirm it even if it's wrong. That is why torture doesn't work. It's also incredibly inhumane and illustrates we are no better then the people who we claim are worse then us.
Torture is not inhumane. I'll tell you what is inhumane. Training a person to fly a plane into a building which has thousands of people in. Lying to the very people who are meant to be your allies, convincing them that Allah chose them to do this, convincing them to take innocent lives as a message. That's inhumane.
I couldn't care less what happens to these people we capture who commit these crimes. If it were me in charge, they'd be hung upside down and left to starve or die of lack of oxygen in the blood stream. Very painful.
I couldn't care less what happens to these people we capture who commit these crimes. If it were me in charge, they'd be hung upside down and left to starve or die of lack of oxygen in the blood stream. Very painful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCKe_EpJJk
This is from the movie called "The Siege" made back in 1998. Sad to say, what was once seen only as a fictional movie could easily pass as a documentary today.
Other people's actions don't justify anything. It doesn't matter what anyone does because morals are supposed to come from within. By justifying torture, you are basically saying that you could devalue a human life and once you teach people to devalue others then they can devalue any life including your own. It's kind of funny seeing people support torture for terrorists but would likely flip their shit if police brutalize criminals for information. I guess it's only okay if you aren't ever going to end up as the victim of torture.
A single video or even pictures of you committing these atrocities ever surfaced then you would help create a new generation of terrorists and cause more harm then they could ever done without it. You can't go around preaching that you are the land of the free and the home of the brave when you turn around and do something as cowardly and unjust as torture someone for your own selfish needs.
This is from the movie called "The Siege" made back in 1998. Sad to say, what was once seen only as a fictional movie could easily pass as a documentary today.
Other people's actions don't justify anything. It doesn't matter what anyone does because morals are supposed to come from within. By justifying torture, you are basically saying that you could devalue a human life and once you teach people to devalue others then they can devalue any life including your own. It's kind of funny seeing people support torture for terrorists but would likely flip their shit if police brutalize criminals for information. I guess it's only okay if you aren't ever going to end up as the victim of torture.
A single video or even pictures of you committing these atrocities ever surfaced then you would help create a new generation of terrorists and cause more harm then they could ever done without it. You can't go around preaching that you are the land of the free and the home of the brave when you turn around and do something as cowardly and unjust as torture someone for your own selfish needs.
I don't think torture is the best option in all cases, but it should still be an option in some situations like the Magnus Gäfgen case. There is no reason to be excessive by videotaping the people being tortured. And you have to remember that when you are dealing with terrorists you are dealing with unusual, extreme cases to begin with. You are talking about people with nothing to lose. Criminals who are well prepared in the event of their capture. People who forfeited their Constitutional rights when they chose to attack the very citizens and freedoms the Constitution stood to protect. In that regard, torture becomes not only an option, but sometimes the only option.
Morally, I stand the same. Torture used when necessary and not out of sadism is not bad in my point of view. Of course how do you draw that line between enhanced interrogation and sadism? I don't know the answer to that question.
Morally, I stand the same. Torture used when necessary and not out of sadism is not bad in my point of view. Of course how do you draw that line between enhanced interrogation and sadism? I don't know the answer to that question.
