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Tried as an adult?

Because in Britain and Ireland, one ceases to be classed as a child at 14. And by then you definitely should distinguish right from wrong. After all, you are only 4 years from adulthood.
People can change a lot in 4 years :shrug:

In terms of criminal responsibility NO juvenile should EVER be tried as an adult.

What is a juvenile though?
 
If you're old enough to do the crime, you're old enough to serve the time.
 
If you're old enough to do the crime, you're old enough to serve the time.

This has always been my stance as well. American seems to be all about giving anyone under 18 a slap on the wrist, or worse, expunging a juvenile's record - a record that could be relevant if said juvenile is a psychopath. The common thing people say is "ur brain isnt fully developed as a kid, that's an excuse for crimes!" Bullshit. At 13 years old I knew what was a crime and what wasn't, I knew right from wrong. It's wild to me that a kid can CHOOSE to commit a crime and then get off scott free because "he a kid".

In 2022, a 16 year old raped and strangled in an attempt to kill his teacher. As of June this year (so now he's 17), the Judge sentenced him to a minimum of 16-40 years. 16 years MINIMUM for raping and strangling his teacher, while saying "Why won't you die?" This kid can potentially get out when he's 33. Lets think about that for a while.
 
Exactly, Reddington. Life without parole should have been the sentence here.
 
Anyone 16 and under simply doesn't have the mental cognizance and capacity (in most cases) to understand right from wrong.
Between 16 to 18, either way (juvenile or adult).

Once you're 18, you are officially an adult in the eyes of the law.
 
True, mate. But they should know right from wrong.
 
Anyone 16 and under simply doesn't have the mental cognizance and capacity (in most cases) to understand right from wrong.

This is completely inaccurate. 12 and under, I agree but when you become a teenager, you're no longer this stupid little kid who knows nothing. By 13, you should have been properly taught about what is and isn't okay to do. Further, by 13, based off your surroundings, you should be aware that X/Y/Z is a crime. This notion that teenagers are innocent, stupid and underdeveloped is a cop out. I've been a kleptomaniac all my life. Even at 13, I knew stealing was wrong and I shouldn't do it. There is no justification at all.
 
This is completely inaccurate. 12 and under, I agree but when you become a teenager, you're no longer this stupid little kid who knows nothing. By 13, you should have been properly taught about what is and isn't okay to do. Further, by 13, based off your surroundings, you should be aware that X/Y/Z is a crime. This notion that teenagers are innocent, stupid and underdeveloped is a cop out. I've been a kleptomaniac all my life. Even at 13, I knew stealing was wrong and I shouldn't do it. There is no justification at all.
I stand by what I said.
Anyone over 18 is an adult; anyone under is still a juvenile, plain and simple.
 
What is a juvenile, you ask? Well, that's a question of how the law defines it.

In general in the West 18 is regarded as the age of adulthood.

So no one under that age should ever be tried as an adult.

As far as I know the US is the ONLY country that tries juveniles as adults and IMO it's a great stain on their judicial system.

Of course people below the age of majority commit crimes and deserve ;punishment.

But that's NO excuse for trying them as adults.

Try them as minors and punish them appropriatetly.

That'sthe FAIR and HONOURABLE way to proceed.
 
That is what I like about your legal system, Lin. It punishes as it should. As I and others have said, at that age they should know right from wrong. I would certainly feel safer if Britain adopted this system.
 
There might be a bit of confusion here, Frankie. I'm British and under our legal system (like most Western countries) juvies are tried as juvies.

Despicable though (for example) the murderers of Jamie Bulger were it was still right to try them as juveniles.
 
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