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Verdict Reached in NY State Hush Money Trial Against Donald Trump

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The jury has reach a verdict in the Trump trial. Join us for live breaking news coverage.

The jury in the Trump trial is now deliberating and a verdict could be reached at any time. Get the latest updates about a verdict in the Trump trial in our LIVE Trump Verdict Watch breaking news coverage.

Donald Trump is charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records in New York County (Manhattan, NY). In this interactive live stream, host Steve Lookner brings you the latest updates on the jury deliberation in the Trump trial and any breaking news developments on a verdict. He’ll also read your comments and questions on the air!

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(The Guardian) Jury entering courtroom
The jury is entering the courtroom.

Judge Juan Merchan says: First, we received a note from you it was signed by the jury foreperson at 4:20 and it’s been marked as court exhibit no. 7 and it says – We the jury have a verdict we would like an extra 30 minutes to fill out forms, is that possible.

Donald Trump found guilty on all counts
The jury has found Donald Trump on all counts.
 
(The Guardian) Trump has deep frown as jury finds him guilty
Donald Trump has a deep frown on his face as the jury finds him guilty on all 34 counts of felony falsification of business records.

Trump lead lawyer Todd Blanche is looking away from his client with his left hand to his temple.

Trump lawyer Emil Bove looks resigned.
Jury deliberated for less than 12 hours before reaching verdict
Donald Trump has been found guilty of using a criminal hush-money scheme to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.

The verdict came after a jury deliberated for less than twelve hours in the unprecedented first criminal trial against a US president.

Trump was convicted by a jury of 12 New Yorkers of felony falsification of business records, which makes it a crime for a person to make or cause false entries in records with the intent to commit a second crime.

In Trump’s case, the Manhattan district attorney’s office alleged Trump falsely recorded the reimbursements he made to his former lawyer Michael Cohen, who paid the adult film star Stormy Daniels $130,000 for her silence about her affair with Trump, as “legal expenses”. The prosecution alleged the falsifications were made to conceal Trump’s violation of New York state election law, which makes it a crime to promote the election of any person to office through unlawful means.

Prosecutors argued in part that those unlawful means were the $130,000 payment to Daniels, which was in effect an illegal campaign contribution, because it was done solely for the benefit of his 2016 campaign and exceeded the $2,700 individual contribution cap.

It marks a perilous political moment for Trump, the presumptive nominee for the Republican nomination, whose poll numbers have remained unchanged throughout the trial but could tank at any moment.
 
and now, The Appeal.
Which will take a good deal of item; in the meantime, until or unless the verdict is reversed, Donald Trump is now a convicted felon.
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I've always been a proud NY'er, but today I am a proud NY'er..

And now we wait for the inevitable appeal to SCOTUS and the subsequent fellation from the 6 SCOTUS jesters, that never stopped doing so for the GOP since Baby Bush.

They will probably overturn this conviction and then say he is immune from persecution for anything he did while in or out of office. I haven't forgotten SCOTUS Justice Sotomayor's dire warning.

While I am proud of the fact that New York came through, I have no faith in SCOTUS or their ability to do the right thing, rather than the white [supremacist] thing.. and it is another reason why I have always been prouder of the fact that I am from New York than I am an American.

I wish I had the faith, but I've been rooted in reality hence, my cynicism here.. and this makes my typical NY cynicism look like it is pooping rainbows and stuff.. and this ruling just makes me glad that I have a passport and actionable plan for if/when the country falls once the Neanderthals (unmedicated, uneducated, unevolved racists who support Trump) elect him once again. I note the difference here because I have noticed that even [educated] White people are getting tired of them too.

I know that the actual Neanderthals are extinct, but they, much like the former, seems to have a big problem with learning to do better and evolving as people, and instead of trying to drag everyone kicking and screaming back to their era when ONLY THEY thrived.. the irony here, is that it is their beliefs that hurt themselves the most, (many facts back this up, but in a nutshell, hate kills you and yours, before it does those you hate) but SCOTUS has their back because they are doing the bidding of the powerful who believe the same, but actually have the means to bring the same harm to everyone else.. including those who supported it.

Anyway, my cynicism aside, I wonder what impact his cult members had on the jury.. aside from it pissing off NY'ers and entertaining them on account of the fact that true NY'ers can't be intimidated. 9/11 just pissed us the fuck off, and didn't turn us into cowards like I did the rest of the country which is also why we are in the mess we are today.

Also where are we at on Sidney Powell and the interview she gave where she said thst they had at least 2 SCOTUS jesters on their side, implying J6?

It is beyond obvious that it was Thomas and Alito, but I sincerely doubt that it's only just them and I am curious as to what has or will happen with that. We still don't know why Justice Kennedy abruptly resigned, when he had already selected his clerks for the new judicial season, or what was said between him and Trump just before the announcement because while there was no audio, Justice Kennedy's body language spoke volumes.
 
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While there were crimes committed, there is also no doubt that the charges had a truckload of political vendetta as baggage.

We can only hope that the appeal sorts one from the other, and while The Donald is as dirty as your average Congress Critter, and has no business being anywhere near the Oval Office unless he buys a ticket for a tour, that the appeals court judge throws the political side of the charges into the corner file bin and runs it as a actual criminal proceeding.

And with this verdict, you can only imagine the total panic that is now coursing through what remains of the functioning veins of the Bidens and their own legal drama.

AGAIN: is there nobody else that can/will run for that office?
 
I wonder if the guilty verdict puts a dent in Trump's presidential run?

Surely it'll give his supporters something to think about and maybe quit buying into this man's lies. :shrug:
 
Nope. Our forefathers couldn't imagine the people being so fucked up that they would elect a conman like trump, let alone have a presidential party that embodies all that he is.

Our forefathers as horrible as they were, (historically speaking.. case in point, Geo. Washington's teeth weren't made of wood, they came from his slaves..) weren't that fucked up and their warnings about men like Trump, separation of church and state, establishment of religion, the spread of ignorance, et. al, have long, LONG been ignored.. and I am sure they have been rotisseried by now considering how long they've been spinning in their graves.

I mean, we have an entire political party that embraces Confederate ideology despite the fact that Gen. Lee was adamant about letting it die, so as to not come between brothers. Yet the Nazis here cling to that and its monumemts in the guise of "southern pride" when like 90% of them were not only put up in states that either didn't exist or were Union states, but they were put up in the 1960s.. in response to the Civil Rights Movement.
 
Our forefathers as horrible as they were, (historically speaking.. case in point, Geo. Washington's teeth weren't made of wood, they came from his slaves..) weren't that fucked up and their warnings about men like Trump, separation of church and state, establishment of religion, the spread of ignorance, et. al, have long, LONG been ignored.. and I am sure they have been rotisseried by now considering how long they've been spinning in their graves.
They were only as good as their generation; even they knew history wouldn't treat them nicely in certain regards.
but they were put up in the 1960s.
A lot of those Confederate statues were put up from around the 1890s to the 1920's as a collective 🖕 to the rest of America.
Anytime someone starts waxing eloquently about the Confederacy, I always tell em, Angel, to go read Alexander Stephens' Cornerstone Speech and then repeat with a straight face what they'd said.
 
They were only as good as their generation; even they knew history wouldn't treat them nicely in certain regards.

A lot of those Confederate statues were put up from around the 1890s to the 1920's as a collective 🖕 to the rest of America.
Anytime someone starts waxing eloquently about the Confederacy, I always tell em, Angel, to go read Alexander Stephens' Cornerstone Speech and then repeat with a straight face what they'd said.
You'll probably need to recommend a picture book for them instead. More than half of adults in this country can't read above a third grade level, and as someone who has been reading and writing at college level since the 6th grade, I honestly wonder why that is.. but either way it doesn't bode well for our future.

Also I saw a video on YouTube that had a snippet of a documentary, about boomers and they said that the boomers were taught to just fall in line and not ask questions.
 
Ok I found a related link to what I meant about the Confederate monuments.. and it looks like there were 2 waves.. the one you mentioned Webster, and the one I mentioned..


I think I remember seeing something on tv about this a few years ago that credited James Loewen's book "Lies My Teacher Told Me" as the source for the info. I forgot the name but the host was a White guy with glasses.. I can't remember his name even though I follow him on Twitter..
 
You'll probably need to recommend a picture book for them instead.
*deadpans* I'll make sure to paste it over the nearest jug of moonshine for 'em.
 
You'll probably need to recommend a picture book for them instead. More than half of adults in this country can't read above a third grade level, and as someone who has been reading and writing at college level since the 6th grade, I honestly wonder why that is.. but either way it doesn't bode well for our future.
That is correct on so many levels. Growing up, I thought many people could read. Working at Wal-Mart proved me wrong. I've run into a lot of people that can't read at all. I didn't realize so many people were illiterate where I live.
 
. and it looks like there were 2 waves..
Yeah, the first wave (the Lost Cause Mythos wave) was the one from the 1890's-1920's.
The second wave you mentioned was a result of the pushback from the Civil Rights Era.
 
That is correct on so many levels. Growing up, I thought many people could read. Working at Wal-Mart proved me wrong. I've run into a lot of people that can't read at all. I didn't realize so many people were illiterate where I live.
Same here. It is bad, and I honestly am not sure what is behind this but I keep encouraging my younger siblings and family to stay up on their reading because in all truth I think Covid did a number on the people here.. quite frankly it is scary.. when I notice it up here, so I can imagine how much worse it would be elsewhere.

I used to go to school very briefly in VA just before I came back a month later to NY and back then I was about to go to 6th grade but the state's curriculum was 3 years behind NY, and this was the case for the new school for gifted kids that my grandparents had me interviewed at in VA. They didn't have anything down there at my level, unless I was over in the wealthier areas where congressmen send their kids to school, but that wasn't going to happen as my grandparents were retired then. Quite frankly, although I know I am smart, I don't think I am exceptional by any means.. I just think it is the benefit being of public school..

But even up here, where NY is supposed to be one of the most educated states in the country.. (NYC's bureaucratic b.s. is why our scores arent as high as Massachussetts or Colorado who revamped theirs after legalizing weed, but I am hoping that NY does the same, but the super red areas up here are just as stuck as the red areas in the South.) Even still, you still notice up here, and I am not sure if things are advantageous for me because I am smart or because I am from NYC where I have to be both that and fast, but up here, I feel like an alien that just landed here from another planet, and although the slower pace up here is nice, it is also unnerving how many people just aren't informed on a lot of basic things.

When we lived in NYC we were well aware the impact of environmental racism, and the impact it will have on our health in the future and yet, I mean our ancestors had to deal with this too so the knowledge, much like the racial politics of everything and how they all link up here, it was like they never knew about the intersectionality of both or why it was important or how it impacted our health. We have to stay cognizant of these issues because it affected us, but the White people up here living in the same conditions thinking it is normal is just scary.

I am honestly beginning to wonder if White people up here were intentionally misinformed on a lot of things, much like they are/were with even racial politics, that people like me had NO CHOICE but to stay abreast on just for basic survival in the city.. I have noticed this with my Drs. up here.. they were just completely shocked that we were living in those conditions, and they had no idea the extensive impact it had on our health, even if they knew that environmental issues like this would be driving a massive wave of health issues in the future, but they believed that is years away.

Yet, only the people my shade and darker knew what I was talking about because as soon as I mentioned "The Great Migration" and how we had limited choices on where to live once we got here, only they knew what I was talking about because their ancestors did it too. My family had to live in these places because we weren't allowed to live anywhere else even though we weren't poor (hence the racial stereotype of living in the projects while having a luxury vehicle.. like in rap videos that many White people treat like a documentary into our lives and culture.)

But like I said, we had no choice, and even in our case, it was still privilege because Covid made my husband's job permenantly remote which was why and how we moved.. we get high NY pay and can live anywhere cheaply.. so we moved north and to a "White Flight" neighborhood no less.. lol) And although up here, the White people do understand the issues with mold, because they have it too, it is seen as an annoyance rather than a FUCKING danger. Seriously, 7/10 houses we saw up here had either mold or water issues that onky guranteed mold in the future, that were often dismissed by the realtor as normal, when my own family had to walk them for us because I was allergic and my husband was near-death both times he went to the hospital.

But the disconnect, is where they don't understand that our choices are often WORSE than were we lived. So when they asked why we didn't move, I told them we did, 300+ miles North.. since then, we've dropped at least 80lbs between us and with little effort.. and I am very worried because I am a woman and it is notoriously difficult to lose weight especially at my age.. and yet, YTD, I've dropped 40+ just from going to the Dr. appointments alone. I plan on getting new bloodwork just to calm my anxiety.. but I have ever dropped weight so fast in my life even when younger and that scares me.

We were THAT sick, and the fact that people just didn't know it is scary.. especially since many live in these same conditions too and they just normalized it. And I am sure that Covid made that worse but it is good to be informed and stay informed, and sharing what you know with others is a good thing.

I try to do that everywhere I go because I feel it is the right thing to do, but in my culture it is believed that each of us has a duty to share the knowledge with another (each one, teach one). But ignorance is indeed dangerous and this is why I don't trust anyone that encourages the downplaying of being informed or the banning of knowledge itself. There is no telling how many eyes we've opened since we have been here, and to know that Covid exacerbated things up here where people's memories are concerned is even worse. I have seen this with my own family who all had Covid except my husband and I, whom they thought we were being paranoid about with our extreme isolation.. and into our moldy ass apartment no less.

Anyway, sorry for the long digression, but I cannot stress enough the importance of staying informed on everything even if those around you think you are uncool for doing so. At the very least, they will end up looking to you for info on why things are bad when they start paying attention too. I did the same with the Trump supporters in my family, so please keep staying the course.
 
(The Guardian) Trump attorney: team will appeal verdict 'as soon as we can'
Todd Blanche, an attorney for Donald Trump, was on CNN saying that his team is prepared to “vigorously fight” the conviction by filing motions over the next couple of weeks.

“If that is not successful, then as soon as we can appeal we will,” he said.

When asked by CNN host Kaitlan Collins on what grounds he is seeking an appeal, Blanche said he felt the publicity and timing of the trial “was really unfair to President Trump”.

“Our system of justice isn’t supposed to be a system of justice in which every single person that walks into the courtroom knows about the case,” he said.

When Collins pushed back that the level of publicity was unavoidable in this case, Blanche responded: “The law doesn’t say, if you can’t avoid it, tough luck. The law says a person is entitled to a fair trial in front of a jury of their peers. We just think that because of everything around the lead-up to the trial, it made it very difficult for the jury to evaluate the evidence independent of what they knew coming in.”

There are three remaining criminal cases against Trump – two related to the attempts to overturn the 2020 election result, and a third over the storage of documents at Mar-a-Lago. The remaining cases will be unlikely to reach trial before the election.
 
Have y'all heard anything about threats of a major attack before Election Day? Supposedly either Kim or Putin are planning something that is said to shift things in Trump's favor.. and his acolytes are posting threats on Twitter and have gone after the jurors and started doxing them..

These people are as fucking stupid as they are dangerous..
 
Have y'all heard anything about threats of a major attack before Election Day? Supposedly either Kim or Putin are planning something that is said to shift things in Trump's favor.. and his acolytes are posting threats on Twitter and have gone after the jurors and started doxing them..
First I'm hearing about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump were to be their puppet the way he behaved with them as shown by the media.
 
Have y'all heard anything about threats of a major attack before Election Day? Supposedly either Kim or Putin are planning something that is said to shift things in Trump's favor.. and his acolytes are posting threats on Twitter and have gone after the jurors and started doxing them..

These people are as fucking stupid as they are dangerous..
I haven't heard about that....the doxing bit, though?
But the other thing too, is you now have 12 jurors that basically are going -- look, we're going to find out who these jurors are in the next 24 hours. Some are going to speak, some are not going to speak. But you've ruined their lives, Alvin Bragg. They can never hold a normal job again. They can never go anywhere without worry about being harassed. This is — I mean, they have essentially ruined people for doing their civic duty.
As I once someone say, "What good are rights if you can't exercise them?"
 

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