Victimless crimes?

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Are there truly any "victimless crimes" and if so, what are they ?

 

[DrLeftover]

Those who know what is best for you would say that something such as Marijuana use by anybody and everybody, boozing it up in the privacy of your own home, using a tanning bed, eating junk food, paying for sex, using tobacco AT ALL, looking at porn, drinking energy drinks before breakfast on a rainy Tuesday.....

Are ALL crimes and that You Are The Victim, therefore, they are NOT 'victimless crimes'.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Jaywalking without harm...

Depends on where you jaywalk. You jaywalk across a highway people tap on there breaks in front closest to you. That causes a chain reaction of tapping on breaks for miles down the highway eventually causing someone to rear end a car.

 

[Jazzy]

Here are a few victimless crimes:

• Riding a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet
• Driving a motor vehicle without a seatbelt
• Prostitution - Between two consenting adults

 

[DrLeftover]

Here are a few victimless crimes:

• Riding a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet
• Driving a motor vehicle without a seatbelt
• Prostitution - Between two consenting adults

Once again, Those That Know Better What Is Best For You, would disagree on all points.

 

[Jazzy]

Here are a few victimless crimes:

• Riding a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet
• Driving a motor vehicle without a seatbelt
• Prostitution - Between two consenting adults

Once again, Those That Know Better What Is Best For You, would disagree on all points.

How so?

Here are a few victimless crimes:

• Riding a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet
• Driving a motor vehicle without a seatbelt
• Prostitution - Between two consenting adults

Once again, Those That Know Better What Is Best For You, would disagree on all points.

How so?

A crime is a violation of established law, but not all crimes have a readily identifiable victim. A victimless crime is one where an act that violates an established law is committed, without leaving a victim behind; that is, there is no resulting damage to a person or property. In these cases, there is no victim because the illegal activity was consensually entered into.

 

[DrLeftover]

Here are a few victimless crimes:

• Riding a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet
• Driving a motor vehicle without a seatbelt
• Prostitution - Between two consenting adults

Once again, Those That Know Better What Is Best For You, would disagree on all points.

How so?

As you should know, the argument for the coercive law requiring the use of the first two is to prevent catastrophic injury to the rider/driver or passenger which will then make their long term care in a public nursing facility for the next thirty years.

For citation, you may check out the various articles published as the laws were being passed in your general area. Many were taken from the same "public safety talking points" from the likes of.....
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/seatbeltbrief/


The latter point comes from the Feminist camp where it is maintained that Any and All sex work degrades women and promotes an attitude of violence against women.

To wit: http://feministcurrent.com/7758/arguing-against-the-industry-of-prostitution-beyond-the-abolitionist-versus-sex-worker-binary/

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Here are a few victimless crimes:

• Riding a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet
• Driving a motor vehicle without a seatbelt
• Prostitution - Between two consenting adults

Once again, Those That Know Better What Is Best For You, would disagree on all points.

How so?

Someone somewhere will be hurt or offended no matter what you do.

As you should know, the argument for the coercive law requiring the use of the first two is to prevent catastrophic injury to the rider/driver or passenger which will then make their long term care in a public nursing facility for the next thirty years.

For citation, you may check out the various articles published as the laws were being passed in your general area. Many were taken from the same "public safety talking points" from the likes of.....
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/seatbeltbrief/


The latter point comes from the Feminist camp where it is maintained that Any and All sex work degrades women and promotes an attitude of violence against women.

To wit: http://feministcurrent.com/7758/arguing-against-the-industry-of-prostitution-beyond-the-abolitionist-versus-sex-worker-binary/

 

[DrLeftover]

That's all bs...

Wonderful counter argument you are mounting there.

It is going to take me a long time to refute it.

 

[DrLeftover]

Let's go here and do this:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/05/Woman-Films-Own-Abortion


Victim-LESS?

 

[DrLeftover]

It may be "victimless" to sit at home and smoke your stuff.

But how it gets from producer to consumer seems to have a different definition.

Threat: The translation of the painted vandalism means 'silver or lead' which is meant to mean that police officers and business owners should either accept bribes or expect gunshots

'This symbol has historically been used by Mexican drug cartels to threaten or intimidate Mexican citizens, business owners and government officials; however, we have never experienced this in El Paso,' local police said in a press release about the vandalism.

The fear now for many is that the 'warnings' shows that the drug cartels- which have not been identified by name- are willing to bring the violence from Mexican border towns into Texas.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2637789/Threatening-cartel-billboards-warning-police-choose-silver-lead-come-complete-hanging-mannequins-appearing-Texas.html

 

[DrLeftover]

And then some users do stuff like this:

29 July

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A New Jersey man has been arrested in connection with the theft of his grandmother’s car from a church parking lot.

Arthur J. Garlick, 22, of Wyckoff was charged with stealing a 1999 Lincoln Town Car from the Cedar Hill Christian Reformed Church on June 3.

Garlick’s grandmother was inside the church as a poll worker on election day, police said. The car was found a week later in Paterson and another man was arrested for having the stolen car, police said.

Wyckoff police were lead to Garlick after interviewing the man in jail, police said.

Garlick admitted to police that he stole the car from the church lot and sold it in Paterson for $200 and $150 worth of heroin, police said.

Garlick lives with his grandmother. Police said he got an extra set of her keys and stole the car knowing that she was inside of the church for the day.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/29/police-wyckoff-man-steals-grandmas-car-from-church-lot-sells-it-for-heroin/

 

[TommyTooter]

Those who know what is best for you would say that something such as Marijuana use by anybody and everybody, boozing it up in the privacy of your own home, using a tanning bed, eating junk food, paying for sex, using tobacco AT ALL, looking at porn, drinking energy drinks before breakfast on a rainy Tuesday.....

Are ALL crimes and that You Are The Victim, therefore, they are NOT 'victimless crimes'.

only in the eyes of people whose moral BS (belief system) judges these things to be crimes.

the government has no place legislating morality.

 

[Bluezone777]

Those who know what is best for you would say that something such as Marijuana use by anybody and everybody, boozing it up in the privacy of your own home, using a tanning bed, eating junk food, paying for sex, using tobacco AT ALL, looking at porn, drinking energy drinks before breakfast on a rainy Tuesday.....

Are ALL crimes and that You Are The Victim, therefore, they are NOT 'victimless crimes'.

only in the eyes of people whose moral BS (belief system) judges these things to be crimes.

the government has no place legislating morality.

If the government didn't do it then the people would on their own and it would be chaos with everyone having their own idea of what is morally wrong and how they should go about responding to what they saw as moral offenses. I can understand someone thinking the government is too involved in the morality of the people but to be completely uninvolved is not something I would be for. There needs to be some commonly accepted bar for what is morality that's set by the government or it would be anarchy.

 

[+paradox]

Those who know what is best for you would say that something such as Marijuana use by anybody and everybody, boozing it up in the privacy of your own home, using a tanning bed, eating junk food, paying for sex, using tobacco AT ALL, looking at porn, drinking energy drinks before breakfast on a rainy Tuesday.....

Are ALL crimes and that You Are The Victim, therefore, they are NOT 'victimless crimes'.

only in the eyes of people whose moral BS (belief system) judges these things to be crimes.

the government has no place legislating morality.

If the government didn't do it then the people would on their own and it would be chaos with everyone having their own idea of what is morally wrong and how they should go about responding to what they saw as moral offenses. I can understand someone thinking the government is too involved in the morality of the people but to be completely uninvolved is not something I would be for. There needs to be some commonly accepted bar for what is morality that's set by the government or it would be anarchy.

don't the government (United States) make laws (or get ride of laws) to make money instead of helping the people or trying to be healthy? if the government really wanted to be safe and morally right to the people, wouldn't tobacco be illegal, and maybe alcohol? the government knows how many people die from both and yet both are still legal, yet they try to make people safe by making them wear a helmet or a seat belt.

 

[Bluezone777]

There is a place for government but the government has slowly but surely overstepped its place in the lives of the people. Laws forbidding murder, rape and theft among other similar crimes isn't causing anyone problems as not having them as crimes means people can do them as long as they feel it's warranted and proper because all you are left with is your opinion without a higher authority dictating them to be wrong.

Unfortunately the prospect of power and great wealth ultimately corrupts people and that's why we have so many laws that have no place such as bike helmet laws and have a government that's increasingly invasive in the lives of the people. That's a bad thing and not something I am advocating as good.

 

[+paradox]

There is a place for government but the government has slowly but surely overstepped its place in the lives of the people. Laws forbidding murder, rape and theft among other similar crimes isn't causing anyone problems as not having them as crimes means people can do them as long as they feel it's warranted and proper because all you are left with is your opinion without a higher authority dictating them to be wrong.

Unfortunately the prospect of power and great wealth ultimately corrupts people and that's why we have so many laws that have no place such as bike helmet laws and have a government that's increasingly invasive in the lives of the people. That's a bad thing and not something I am advocating as good.

this debate is about laws that aren't harming anyone (but sometimes themselves) if one breaks it. not murder, rape or theft.

there's also cases that people dying due to wearing such devices like a seat belt and a helmet.

i'm sure you'll agree that the government is more worried about themselves, making money off of the people and enslaving rather than insuring people to be morally right.

also, a note, just because there's laws saying that murder and rape is wrong and punishable, still doesn't make people not do said crimes. laws don't extinguish evil.

 

[Bluezone777]

Just cause someone breaks a law doesn't mean they don't know it's right. It's more along the lines of not caring about that fact because of the enjoyment they get out of the crime. When someone puts themselves as first leads to doing evil eventually.

People who seek power usually just do so to get control and enrich themselves. They can have the power and the money if they want as the Bible illustrates quite well what is awaiting those who seek out the good life now rather then later. There's no joy or peace coming to those who seek out that which they crave. The only joy you will get in life is through contentment. It is those who seek it through other means who ruin things that are otherwise good such as government. Government isn't bad as it's the people who ruin it by their quest for power and wealth which will never satisfy them.

Personally we don't have any real business making laws out of drug use or prostitution and not having laws doesn't mean you approve of the behavior or recommend doing such things. Forcing safety upon others is another thing we don't have the business in making laws about it but then again it is in your best interests to take those precautions though I wouldn't make a law out of it either.

In the end, making such things illegal is only to do two things. Make money off of fines or help drive up prices of things made illegal such as drugs which makes them extremely profitable. They are also in place to make people buy something that they otherwise wouldn't buy such as oh... healthcare.

 

[+paradox]

if humans ruin governments then what's your perfect government?

 

[TommyTooter]

Just cause someone breaks a law doesn't mean they don't know it's right. It's more along the lines of not caring about that fact because of the enjoyment they get out of the crime. When someone puts themselves as first leads to doing evil eventually.

americas founding father's encouraged people to break unjust laws. abraham lincoln pointed out that not only is attempting to legislate morality an insult to the principles of our republic, but it doesn't eliminate the demand. making drugs or prostitution illegal makes people want them more, for the thrill of breaking the law. all a prohibition law does, is open the door for criminals to pick up the supply side.

war is a racket. the drug war is one of the biggest rackets going, because you have both the government and the drug supplier profiting off the user, with the government cleaning up on seizures and sucking taxpayer dollars to support the criminal justice system, now being privatized with some pretty fascist legislation being written to support it.