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What rights should the father have?
- Thread starter Jazzy
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I think it should be more based on how the man behaves in the relationship.
Is he fit to raise a child?
Is he domestically violent?
Does he make her work while he stays home?
Does he mooch off of her?
Does he make bad lifestyle choices?
Now Imagine if you had a daughter, she's 18. Her boyfriend beats and rapes her. You've had to get involved on more than oneoccasion. She gets pregnant. She wants to leave him and not only that but doesn't want have his child. Tearfully, she begs you, her father, for an abortion. You know if she has that child that she can't put it up for adoption without her boyfriend's written consent. She won't be rid of him for the next 18 years. He may abuse the child. The child may grow up and learn his bad habits. If he raped your daughter, he may molest the child. By having the abortion, death is a mercy rather than have the child put up with his bullshit and spend thousands of dollars in court trying to minimize his rights to that child.
Would you still consider it? I would. I wouldn't think twice about it. I'd drive her over to the next state and have it done or go to Canada and have it done. Then I'd come back and have restraining order placed her dead beat boyfriend.
Of course his behaviour should always be taken into account.
If any instance of rape or anything of that nature occurs then she should have full rights to do whatever she needs to in order for her to make a full recovery.
My opinion is that people should take each other’s feelings into account when making huge decisions.
My brother for instance, when he was 19 he was in a relationship with a girl for over two years, she happened to fall pregnant and behind his back got a termination, and that still haunts my brother to this day.
It’s not only the fact she terminated the child it’s the fact he wasn’t ever able to give his support.
Who determines the answers to those questions? Because if a woman feels scorned and has ill-feelings towards her baby daddy, then she might have biased answers to those questions.
This is a topic that is very complicated, and I hate it. At the end of the day, men are fucked in this scenario either way and no one cares.
When you really think about it though, yes, the woman is the one carrying the child, but the man was 50% part of that process. Without him, she wouldn't have been pregnant. Why should she only make that decision? Even if she doesn't have sex and has an injection of sperm, that is still from the father (I am only referring to cases of a man and woman). Even with lesbians, they need sperm, which comes from a guy, and that is the point I'm making. Like it or not, men are a huge part of pregnancy. Is it fair that you have to get fat and be a human incubator? No, but when was life ever fair?
Why should a woman be allowed to terminate a pregnancy that her partner wants, but a woman can choose to keep a child the guy doesn't want and then force the father to pay for child support if he leaves her? The entire situation is wrong either way.
When you really think about it though, yes, the woman is the one carrying the child, but the man was 50% part of that process. Without him, she wouldn't have been pregnant. Why should she only make that decision? Even if she doesn't have sex and has an injection of sperm, that is still from the father (I am only referring to cases of a man and woman). Even with lesbians, they need sperm, which comes from a guy, and that is the point I'm making. Like it or not, men are a huge part of pregnancy. Is it fair that you have to get fat and be a human incubator? No, but when was life ever fair?
Why should a woman be allowed to terminate a pregnancy that her partner wants, but a woman can choose to keep a child the guy doesn't want and then force the father to pay for child support if he leaves her? The entire situation is wrong either way.
A father deserves the same rights as does the mother
I agree! The baby has its own distinct DNA and it took the father's sperm and the mother's egg to be created. I'm pro-life and many of the excuses given are for convenience or out of fear. Doctors have been wrong at times in their declarations that the mother will surely die if she didn't kill her child and they have also been wrong in declaring that the child would be deformed or whatever.
None. Her body, her choice. If he doesn't like it, that's his problem, not hers. He can break up with her after he made sure the baby is gone and there is no possibility she'd secretly keep the baby and extort child support from him later on.
Interesting, you usually don't see these types of responses from women.
It's probably because I see that the baby is NOT the mother. That saying of my body my choice...doesn't take into account that the baby is not the mother. The baby's body is in the mother and was created using both a father and a mother, which is why father's should have rights as well.
Has anybody given voice to the concept of "what is best for the child"?
Okay. So are you just parroting what you heard in Biology 30+ years ago?
and most Pro Lifers care nothing for the child down the road when it becomes transgender, gay, lower class (poor), a convict, or disabled. Those things are not even taken into account.
What about the women facing complicated life threatening pregnancies? To hell with them?
No True Scotsman Fallacy. Doctors are not always wrong when giving a diagnoses. That doesn't make every single doctor out there completely incompetent. If a lawyer fucks up in court and you go to prison or have to pay a hefty fine, does that mean every lawyer is incompetent and unreliable? No. This is no different. Humans make mistakes. No one is perfect at their job.
No true Scotsman - Wikipedia
So? Someone including the State having control over a person's body is slavery. That doesn't make it right.
I disagree. No man should have rights to a woman's body whether it was on purpose or accidental. I'm not talking about abortion. I'm just saying in general; It's wrong to place ownership on a human being pregnant or not. People are not objects.
If only the possibility to seek consent from a baby-to-be before making him / her would to exist, that would be great. Alas, there isn't, so every human is brought into this world against their will, just because their mother and father got frisky (or the father raped the mother) and said 'let's make a baby, it would be fun", or it was a "happy accident".
In any case, humans, as a sentient creatures with understanding of how new humans are created and the knowledge of all the shit & giggles it comes in the same package with them should be more prudent. Less YOLO, more careful deliberation can prevent a lot of scenarios in which one parent wants to keep the baby and the other one dreads its mere existence and wants it gone, leading to talks and debates about rights and rights accessories.
Animals act on pure instinct when it comes to procreation. Humans should know better.
In any case, humans, as a sentient creatures with understanding of how new humans are created and the knowledge of all the shit & giggles it comes in the same package with them should be more prudent. Less YOLO, more careful deliberation can prevent a lot of scenarios in which one parent wants to keep the baby and the other one dreads its mere existence and wants it gone, leading to talks and debates about rights and rights accessories.
Animals act on pure instinct when it comes to procreation. Humans should know better.
I see these debate threads haven't changed.
Pardon me while I slip out the side door and find a suitable adult beverage.
Pardon me while I slip out the side door and find a suitable adult beverage.
None. It should have been discussed beforehand. There are no shortage of available and affordable birth control options for both men and women. That's why you shouldn't have children outside of marriage.
Thats usually my answer when it comes to these threads
They can get pretty heated sometimes.
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