Why Everyone Should Own A Gun

[Jazzy]

You can make a second amendment argument. You can quote statistics. You can reference history. These arguments are relevant but unneeded. There is only one true "progun" argument. It is an absolute. It is unwavering and does not fall on its knees to circumstance. It is fundamental to all human beings.

You are alive. You have an inherent right to stay alive. A gun is a tool. You have the right to wield it to preserve your life when under threat.

It's not about gun rights, it's about the unquestionable right to yourself. Guns are equality. Guns are life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu1UhCrvSzM

Thoughts?

 

[beowulf]

dosnt apply to me.............i live with draconian gun laws..............hated giving up my hobby

 

[Dee]

I disagree, but I'm not saying those who believe "guns are life" are wrong either. If you feel you need a gun to protect yourself, fine. Just do it lawfully. I will live my life the way I want it and not vote to take away anyone else's rights because they're not infringing on mine as there are already laws against using said tool to harm or kill.

 

[mrldii]

I disagree, but I'm not saying those who believe "guns are life" are wrong either. If you feel you need a gun to protect yourself, fine.  Just do it lawfully.  I will live my life the way I want it and not vote to take away anyone else's rights because they're not infringing on mine as there are already laws against using said tool to harm or kill.

Agreed.

If "everyone" has the right to bear arms (which not "everyone" does...we're talking about the U.S. Constitution, only), then "anyone" has the unspoken right to NOT bear arms, also.


Besides, if "everyone" had guns, then it stands to reason that the same argument [as presented in the article cited in the OP] would be the basis to justify "everyone" having access to nuclear bombs, to further and better protect themselves from the "everyone else" with guns, while protecting their own life.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I would correct one thing that wonderful lady said. All law abiding citizens should have guns if they freely choose to decide to have one.

And as for  nuclear bomb comparison when  criminals somehow get nukes and attack individuals with them then yes I should have a nuke. But since that won't happen where nukes can be used on individuals it is kind of a silly comparison even bringing them up to compare it to having a gun. 

 

[MrDawn]

I'd like to own a gun. I by opinion, think everyone should have the right to own one. I keep neglecting to get one myself so I have no excuse on that. One of my buddies was in the military, also loves to hunt and he sleeps with a gun by his bed side. I can tell you one thing. No body is gonna break into his place and fuck with him. That or get shot.

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

I disagree. I am grateful that it isn't our right to own a gun here. I don't have to consider daily I could be shot for saying something that may offend another, an action that maybe misread and that people who are unbalanced cannot access one.

 

[Sinon]

I have a question. Why is it illegal in some states to possess a ballistic knife, yet legal to possess (and carry!) a semi-automatic firearm? If the argument is that you have the right to stay alive, surely it could be argued that a blade will help you do that just as well as a firearm would.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I have a question. Why is it illegal in some states to possess a ballistic knife, yet legal to possess (and carry!) a semi-automatic firearm? If the argument is that you have the right to stay alive, surely it could be argued that a blade will help you do that just as well as a firearm would.

I had to look up what a ballistic knife is. Ballistic knife seems like a silly idea and I would rather keep it with me in a fight. But I am not a knife person. I would think that states that are gun friendly would also allow these crazy knives. Do you know which states don't allow them.

 

[Dee]

I have a question. Why is it illegal in some states to possess a ballistic knife, yet legal to possess (and carry!) a semi-automatic firearm? If the argument is that you have the right to stay alive, surely it could be argued that a blade will help you do that just as well as a firearm would.

Because states that allow one weapon but don't allow another of equal or less threat are illogical hypocrites. Simple as that.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I disagree. I am grateful that it isn't our right to own a gun here. I don't have to consider daily I could be shot for saying something that may offend another, an action that maybe misread and that people who are unbalanced cannot access one.

The more people carry concealed the less there is crime and attacks on individuals so it would not be something you need to worry about. Worry when no one can legally carry and that means the bad guys will. Just like in your country carrying knives is illegal so the bad guys all carry them and thats why you have such a high attack rate with knives. So what you should be worrying about is getting attacked with a knife.

 

[Sinon]

I had to look up what a ballistic knife is. Ballistic knife seems like a silly idea and I would rather keep it with me in a fight. But I am not a knife person. I would think that states that are gun friendly would also allow these crazy knives. Do you know which states don't allow them.

The state that I looked at was Colorado. Maybe others are similar, I'm unsure. It just seems very silly to prohibit something which works in effect like a single-shot pistol with worse range, lower velocity, and is just all-round less destructive than a gun, yet allow guns without even so much as requiring training to use one.

 

[Mercedes01]

I'm against..I'm sick and tired of watching my news here where kids are blown away
all because their at school innocently wanting an education.

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

The more people carry concealed the less there is crime and attacks on individuals so it would not be something you need to worry about. Worry when no one can legally carry and that means the bad guys will. Just like in your country carrying knives is illegal so the bad guys all carry them and thats why you have such a high attack rate with knives. So what you should be worrying about is getting attacked with a knife.

Shall we compare statics country to country?

It's illegal to carry even a knife here let alone a gun.

I'm glad it is. I don't believe in carrying a weapon and I'm glad it isn't much of a concern for me that others do.

 

[Wonko]

I'd like to own a gun. I by opinion, think everyone should have the right to own one. I keep neglecting to get one myself so I have no excuse on that. One of my buddies was in the military, also loves to hunt and he sleeps with a gun by his bed side. I can tell you one thing. No body is gonna break into his place and fuck with him. That or get shot.

I can tell you they will, and they have just look at all the people that get blown away after breaking in to a USA home, having a gun dose not deter criminals it just makes them carry a gun as well, to me thats just bonkers.

I disagree. I am grateful that it isn't our right to own a gun here. I don't have to consider daily I could be shot for saying something that may offend another, an action that maybe misread and that people who are unbalanced cannot access one.

Totally agree with you WFP

 

[Dee]

Shall we compare statics country to country?

It's illegal to carry even a knife here let alone a gun.

I'm glad it is. I don't believe in carrying a weapon and I'm glad it isn't much of a concern for me that others do.

As an American, I find it hilarious that many other American's don't believe that gun control laws wouldn't work in any scenario. They're too stupid to realize that it actually does work in many other countries, but they're so blinded by their own perception of some falsified freedom that they have a hard time pulling their heads out of their asses. It does work. It just won't work here in this day in age with how ignorant our population likes to be.

 

[Wonko]

As an American, I find it hilarious that many other American's don't believe that gun control laws wouldn't work in any scenario. They're too stupid to realize that it actually does work in many other countries, but they're so blinded by their own perception of some falsified freedom that they have a hard time pulling their heads out of their asses. It does work. It just won't work here in this day in age with how ignorant our population likes to be.

I agree, as a outsider looking in, it is funny sometimes the arguments used to justify US gun laws, they just do not stand up to the real world experiences outside of the US.

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

As an American, I find it hilarious that many other American's don't believe that gun control laws wouldn't work in any scenario. They're too stupid to realize that it actually does work in many other countries, but they're so blinded by their own perception of some falsified freedom that they have a hard time pulling their heads out of their asses. It does work. It just won't work here in this day in age with how ignorant our population likes to be.

I think sometimes people forget the phrase "Guns don't kill people, people with guns do"

With that said a person of not sound mind at the time decides on that very day they're angry. They're angry at the world or lets bring a reality, young people. A guy at school has pissed them off over something petty.



BANG!!! BANG!! They are dead. We all have moments where our logic fails us, where we have made a wrong decision or our logic is flawed.

The difference is. You can make amends on a petty argument. You can say sorry or get an apology. The anger subsides..

How do you put someone's death right? No apology will change it. No sorrow will fix it and that person just ceases to exist.

To have the right to bear arms. Means you also have the responsibility for someone else's life as well as your own. Sadly, when I see people exercise their rights on forums with regards to this. I rarely see them see this aspect. It's not a responsibility I want personally.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Shall we compare statics country to country?

It's illegal to carry even a knife here let alone a gun.

I'm glad it is. I don't believe in carrying a weapon and I'm glad it isn't much of a concern for me that others do.

Sure!

Britain has replaced guns with knives. I know it is illegal to carry knives there that is what I said above. And it makes zero difference for the bad guys in the statistics and leaves law abiding citizens completely helpless.

I am glad you feel like you feel like you do not feel a need to carry a weapon but you should be no less concerned of being a victim of someone carrying a knife then a American carrying a gun. The only difference is we can actually protect ourselves from attack. I can never understand the need for people to take that ability away from law abiding citizens. As far as I am concerned for every knife attack that happens against a person in your country every law maker is criminally responsible for those attacks.

Statistics 101: US Gun Crime vs. UK Knife Crime
Filed under: Cognition,Geek,Humor,Liberty,RPG,Writing — apotheon @ 01:09

All too often, I find myself reading some line of nonsense about how gun control legislation is important to protect the lives of citizens, all "proven" by gun crime statistics in the US. In one discussion in particular, some hoplophobic idiot tried to tell me that the fact guns account for the weapon of choice in more murders than all other weapons combined means they're too dangerous to allow people to have. This says nothing at all about the actual murder rate, and the effect of gun control legislation on the murder rate — just that, even if the murder rate is lower in the presence of firearms, guns end up having the largest share of the murder market in the US.

An alternative theory of the statistic might go something like this:

More guns in the hands of private citizens discourage people from committing murder with knives.

The number of murders with knives declined, and the number of murders with guns remained constant.

The overall number of murders decreased because of the decline in knife murder rates, so the percentage of murders committed with guns increased even though the number of gun murders remained constant.

I don't have any idea whether that's an accurate explanation for the higher rate of gun murders than knife murders in the US. The statistical basis for proving or disproving this kind of theory of the effect guns have on murder rates doesn't exactly exist. It certainly is a plausible-sounding hypothesis, though, and no less supported by the lone statistic of 68% of murders in the US in 2006 being committed with guns.

The same guy, in the same comment where he pointed out that more murders are committed with guns than with any other weapon in the US, also linked to UK gun crime figures. Well, sure, let's compare crime rates in the UK with those in the US. We've already established that gun crimes are more numerous in the US than knife crimes, and I'll stipulate for the sake of argument that gun crimes are more numerous in the US than in the UK (though there are niggling holes in that comparison, too). Let's try a different comparison. Note that I'm probably overestimating the UK population and underestimating the US population in these statistical comparisons, which favors the UK in terms of estimating low crime rates (since these rates are measured per capita). The same goes for the fact I'm underestimating UK crime incidences and overestimating US incidences. Despite heavily favoring the UK for determining the per capita statistics, I think you'll find the results illuminating:

In or about 2006, there were about 60 million (actually closer to 58M, but we'll use the rounded-up number to be kind to hopolophobes) people in the UK as a whole, including Scotland.

In England and Wales alone — discounting Scotland — there were over 163 thousand knife crimes.

By the end of 2006, there were more than 300 million people in the US as a whole.

In the US as a whole, there were fewer than 400 thousand gun crimes.

In the UK, based on these numbers, there was one knife crime commited for every 374 people (rounded down).

In the US, based on these numbers, there was one gun crime committed for every 750 people — less than half a gun crime per 374 people (about 0.4987 gun crimes per 374 people, actually).

That means that, based on these statistics, you are more than twice as likely to be a victim of knife crime in the UK as you are to be a victim of gun crime in the US.

Statistical studies can be great tools for determining the results of policy changes, but the devil lies in the details. Simply picking a number out of thin air — like the fact that 68% of murders are committed by the use of a firearm in the US — in no way proves anything other than that 68% of murders are committed by the use of a firearm. That alone doesn't mean you're in more danger in the US because of laxer gun control legislation than in the UK, where firearms are all but entirely prohibited (hey, at least the police can check them out of the supply room under very extreme circumstances — right?).

Note that even the statistical comparisons I present here are not sufficient to prove a case. There are too many other variables in comparisons between crime rates in the UK and in the US to reasonably expect any real certainty about exactly what effect gun control laws have in either country. A far more reliable statistical comparison for purposes of determining the effect of gun control legislation is, as I pointed out in gun control arguments aren't exactly "rigorous", to compare crime statistics before the passage or repeal of a gun law to those after the passage of the law — say, the three years prior and the three years after. Other factors will come into play, but given enough case studies, trends will definitely be seen to emerge.

If you aren't prepared to produce statistics like that, you aren't prepared to produce statistics that prove anything worthwhile about the efficacy of gun control legislation.
statistical sources:

UK knife crime statistics

Bureau of Justice Statistics: Crimes Committed with Firearms

RDS Crime in England and Wales 2006/2007

National Statistics Online: UK Population (England, Scotland, and Wales, excluding outlying islands)

Demographics of the United States

United States Crime Rates 1960-2007






UK: Six Knife Murders Per Week


60 non-fatal knife crimes daily, with 22,000 recorded in the year.” So we can expect the UK to being the process of restoring gun rights then, right? Nope. To turn an old British expression on its head, they’re finishing as they mean to start . . .

“Its a shame that knife crimes has increased so much a Britain and the police and politicians has choosen not to do much about it,” commentator redstar19756 writes. “The authorities are showing more concern in hosting the 2012 Olympics! Time to get your act together Britain!”
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/robert-farago/uk-six-knife-murders-per-week/



A knife attack every 4 minutes; 130,000 per year - but ministers still insist crime rates are falling

Almost 130,000 attacks involved knives last year - equivalent to one every four minutes - according to the annual British Crime Survey.

This figure does not include the tens of thousands of assaults against under-16s. However, unlike the police records published yesterday, it does include crimes which are not reported to the authorities.

The police data revealed 22,000 serious knife assaults - including 231 attempted murders - were reported to the police last year.

There were also almost 14,000 reported robberies and more than 8,000 woundings.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ar--ministers-insist-crime-rates-falling.html

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

As an American, I find it hilarious that many other American's don't believe that gun control laws wouldn't work in any scenario. They're too stupid to realize that it actually does work in many other countries, but they're so blinded by their own perception of some falsified freedom that they have a hard time pulling their heads out of their asses. It does work. It just won't work here in this day in age with how ignorant our population likes to be.

But no they do not work in any scenario unless you are going to turn a country into Iran and then it just becomes your own government killing you. Otherwise Innocent people get killed in the hundreds of thousands just using a different means of killing and the victims have no means of defending themselves.