Why Everyone Should Own A Gun

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

The state that I looked at was Colorado. Maybe others are similar, I'm unsure. It just seems very silly to prohibit something which works in effect like a single-shot pistol with worse range, lower velocity, and is just all-round less destructive than a gun, yet allow guns without even so much as requiring training to use one.

Colorado that makes sense. They are currently occupied by left wing nutcases running things trying to reverse gun rights so it is no wonder they have a stupid law in place like this.

 

[Wonko]

I'd much rather face a knife than a gun any day, you can out run a knife but you can not outrun a bullet therefore less risk plus it's relatively easy to disarm a person carrying a knife, you get caught with a knife you get a max sentence of 4 years in the UK.

 

[Wonko]

I'd much rather face a knife than a gun any day, you can out run a knife but you can not outrun a bullet therefore less risk plus it's relatively easy to disarm a person carrying a knife, you get caught with a knife you get a max sentence of 4 years in the UK.

 

[Wonko]

No idea whats going on with the triple post, could a moderator please remove 2 of the three don't care which

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I can tell you they will, and they have just look at all the people that get blown away after breaking in to a USA home, having a gun dose not deter criminals it just makes them carry a gun as well, to me thats just bonkers.


Totally agree with you WFP

WRONG!


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FBI: More guns, less violent crime

Two sets of data published by the FBI seven months apart show increased gun ownership coinciding with a reduction in violent crime.

Last July, the FBI completed its monthly update of an online table showing the number of firearm-related checks conducted through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The new numbers showed that the number of checks increased from 8.9 million during the first six months of 2012, to a whopping 11.4 million during the same period in 2013, an increase of 29 percent.

Gun control supporters pretend that NICS checks that result in denials perfectly correspond with the denial of firearms to aspiring violent criminals, while denying that the numbers of approved checks indicate anything at all about trends in firearms purchases. However, while not as reliable an indicator of firearm purchase trends as the Annual Firearms Manufacturers and Export Reports and Firearms Commerce in the United States reports complied by the BATFE, the FBI’s NICS numbers provide a fair indication of such trends. Even though not all approved checks result in the acquisition of firearms, some checks result in the acquisition of multiple firearms. And even though some checks are conducted for carry permit purposes, some firearms are acquired through licensed dealers without a NICS check, based upon the exemption available in some states for persons licensed to possess or carry a firearm.

This week, the FBI issued a report comparing the numbers of violent and property crimes reported by law enforcement agencies during the first half of 2012 to the numbers reported during the first half of 2013. According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports Section, “Preliminary figures indicate that, as a whole, law enforcement agencies throughout the nation reported a decrease of 5.4 percent in the number of violent crimes brought to their attention for the first 6 months of 2013 when compared with figures reported for the same time in 2012.”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/fbi-more-guns-less-violent-crime/
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And what is up with the quote buttons and picking the color of letter buttons. They were working just fine a couple of days ago!

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I'd much rather face a knife than a gun any day, you can out run a knife but you can not outrun a bullet therefore less risk plus it's relatively easy to disarm a person carrying a knife, you get caught with a knife you get a max sentence of 4 years in the UK.

Ya, that idea is not working out to well with other countries. And I am not sure if there are statistics for it but I would bet most of the victims in knife stabbing are the old and any means of protecting themselves have been stolen by government.

 

[Wonko]

WRONG!


QUOTE
FBI: More guns, less violent crime

Two sets of data published by the FBI seven months apart show increased gun ownership coinciding with a reduction in violent crime.

Last July, the FBI completed its monthly update of an online table showing the number of firearm-related checks conducted through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The new numbers showed that the number of checks increased from 8.9 million during the first six months of 2012, to a whopping 11.4 million during the same period in 2013, an increase of 29 percent.

Gun control supporters pretend that NICS checks that result in denials perfectly correspond with the denial of firearms to aspiring violent criminals, while denying that the numbers of approved checks indicate anything at all about trends in firearms purchases. However, while not as reliable an indicator of firearm purchase trends as the Annual Firearms Manufacturers and Export Reports and Firearms Commerce in the United States reports complied by the BATFE, the FBI’s NICS numbers provide a fair indication of such trends. Even though not all approved checks result in the acquisition of firearms, some checks result in the acquisition of multiple firearms. And even though some checks are conducted for carry permit purposes, some firearms are acquired through licensed dealers without a NICS check, based upon the exemption available in some states for persons licensed to possess or carry a firearm.

This week, the FBI issued a report comparing the numbers of violent and property crimes reported by law enforcement agencies during the first half of 2012 to the numbers reported during the first half of 2013. According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports Section, “Preliminary figures indicate that, as a whole, law enforcement agencies throughout the nation reported a decrease of 5.4 percent in the number of violent crimes brought to their attention for the first 6 months of 2013 when compared with figures reported for the same time in 2012.”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/fbi-more-guns-less-violent-crime/
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And what is up with the quote buttons and picking the color of letter buttons. They were working just fine a couple of days ago!

We will always disagree on this one,
The post editor has been changed from the default xenforo and I don't like it either.

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

Sure!

Britain has replaced guns with knives. I know it is illegal to carry knives there that is what I said above. And it makes zero difference for the bad guys in the statistics and leaves law abiding citizens completely helpless.

I am glad you feel like you feel like you do not feel a need to carry a weapon but you should be no less concerned of being a victim of someone carrying a knife then a American carrying a gun. The only difference is we can actually protect ourselves from attack. I can never understand the need for people to take that ability away from law abiding citizens. As far as I am concerned for every knife attack that happens against a person in your country every law maker is criminally responsible for those attacks.

As a law abiding citizen of the UK. Try for at least once to work with that True Liberty.

Here to help you.

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

Rather than feel the need to defend yourself against those who do not uphold the law. If you are part of the problem. There is no resolution.

Fact it is even illegal in this country to sell even kitchen knives to someone under the age of 18.I find your mindset towards this topic a toxic one and that in itself is part of the issue. Where your focus is on the people who don't live within the laws deemed.

The law is based like any other law. With consequences when you do not uphold it. I stand by my statement no good comes from carrying a gun. If anything the reason why you shoot to kill and not shoot to disarm or disable the person. Because you fly with the assumption they are armed.

I do not, in fact here we attempt to disable the threat before it becomes fatal.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

As a law abiding citizen of the UK. Try for at least once to work with that True Liberty.

Here to help you.

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

Rather than feel the need to defend yourself against those who do not uphold the law. If you are part of the problem. There is no resolution.

Fact it is even illegal in this country to sell even kitchen knives to someone under the age of 18.I find your mindset towards this topic a toxic one and that in itself is part of the issue. Where your focus is on the people who don't live within the laws deemed.

The law is based like any other law. With consequences when you do not uphold it. I stand by my statement no good comes from carrying a gun. If anything the reason why you shoot to kill and not shoot to disarm or disable the person. Because you fly with the assumption they are armed.

I do not, in fact here we attempt to disable the threat before it becomes fatal.

Sorry I have no idea what point you just made here is except besides the stats saying knife control does no good and crime is running rampant with knife use among the bad guys leaving law abiding citizens helpless you want to keep people helpless because it feels good to think it works to have such laws in place.

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

Sorry I have no idea what point you just made here is except besides the stats saying knife control does no good and crime is running rampant with knife use among the bad guys leaving law abiding citizens helpless you want to keep people helpless because it feels good to think it works to have such laws in place.

Then may I suggest opening your mind behind your intent?

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime...ences--2012-13/rpt---chapter-3---weapons.html

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

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2% of our crime rate is guns. What is your countries percentage.

Then if you are so hell bent on the UK, remember knives are illegal here as well as guns.

Then take a look at places like Amsterdam and their crime rates.

You are talking about your right to bear arms True Liberty, I'm contesting the reasons to why not. In less than 5 seconds you can make the worst decision of your life.

Look at the statics I just uploaded for you. Because it's your right to bear arms. You are not at war with your own country.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Then may I suggest opening your mind behind your intent?

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime...ences--2012-13/rpt---chapter-3---weapons.html

I have and the stats clearly show that I posted with many different statistics it is no different no matter what you try to ban and leave people defenseless. You have a epidemic of one of the worst knife stabbings in the world. If somehow you manage to get rid of every knife then they would use bats. Get rid of bats they use poles. Get rid of poles they use sticks. Cut down every tree in your country and people will devise another efficient means of killing and hurting. Freedom not banning works.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

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2% of our crime rate is guns. What is your countries percentage.

Then if you are so hell bent on the UK, remember knives are illegal here as well as guns.

Then take a look at places like Amsterdam and their crime rates.

You are talking about your right to bear arms True Liberty, I'm contesting the reasons to why not. In less than 5 seconds you can make the worst decision of your life.

Look at the statics I just uploaded for you. Because it's your right to bear arms. You are not at war with your own country.

And of course what you have shown does not break down how these shootings happened. But let me help you with that. And of course why just look at Amsterdam when you could look at all of Europe and just how wide spread knife attacks are with people who cannot legally defend themselves.

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Every year, guns are used over 80x more often to protect a life than to take one!*
pistol rifle
270 Million
Approx. # of civilian firearms in America3
woman
200,000
Times a year women use a gun to defend against SEXUAL ABUSE4
Criminal
3/5
polled felons say they won’t mess with an armed victim5
Gun Ownership
Vs Crime
an international perspective

Highest Gun
Ownership Rate
per 100 residents6
Highest Intentional
Homicide Rate
per 100,000 residents7
88.8
USA

54.8
YEMEN

45.7
Switzerland

45.3
Finland
91.6
Honduras

69.2
El Salvador

56.9
Côte d'Ivoire

52.2
Jamaica


A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally (more guns = less crime).

Nations with strict gun control laws have substantially higher murder rates than those who do not in general. In fact, the 9 European nations with the lowest gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate 3x that of the 9 European nations with the highest gun ownership rate!8
4.8
USA
United Kingdom
UNITED KINGDOM
CASE STUDY
“Most violent country in EU”9

No guns
POSSESSION OF HANDGUNS
IS ILLEGAL
Crime
2,034 violent crimes
per 100,000 people in UK**9
vs
USA
466 violent crimes
per 100,000 people in USA9

1 minute

In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!9

Kitchen knives are being used in as many as half of all stabbings in the United Kingdom and has prompted a group of doctors to call for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives.10
kitchen knives
Concealed Carry
in America


An analysis of the FBI crime statistics found that states that adopted
concealed carry laws REDUCED:11
8.5%
Murders
5%
Rapes
7%
Aggravated Assaults
3%
Robberies

gun free zone

With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had 3 of the worst 6 school shootings.12

police
Police


794,300
total police officers13

11%
error rate14

14.3
avg. deaths of a shooting
rampage stopped by police15

606
criminals killed each year16

Armed citizen
Armed Citizen


80,000,000
gun owning citizens17

2%
error rate14

2.3
avg. deaths of a shooting
rampage stopped by a citizen15

1,527
criminals killed each year16

Kennesaw Georgia

In 1982, Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to just 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.18

Today, the violent crime rate in Kennesaw is still 85% lower than Georgia's or the national average.19
89% drop
89% Drop
in burglaries after
MANDATORY gun law

http://americangunfacts.com/
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[WhoFlungpoo]

And of course what you have shown does not break down how these shootings happened. But let me help you with that. And of course why just look at Amsterdam when you could look at all of Europe and just how wide spread knife attacks are with people who cannot legally defend themselves.

QUOTE
Every year, guns are used over 80x more often to protect a life than to take one!*
pistol rifle
270 Million
Approx. # of civilian firearms in America3
woman
200,000
Times a year women use a gun to defend against SEXUAL ABUSE4
Criminal
3/5
polled felons say they won’t mess with an armed victim5
Gun Ownership
Vs Crime
an international perspective

Highest Gun
Ownership Rate
per 100 residents6
Highest Intentional
Homicide Rate
per 100,000 residents7
88.8
USA

54.8
YEMEN

45.7
Switzerland

45.3
Finland
91.6
Honduras

69.2
El Salvador

56.9
Côte d'Ivoire

52.2
Jamaica


A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally (more guns = less crime).

Nations with strict gun control laws have substantially higher murder rates than those who do not in general. In fact, the 9 European nations with the lowest gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate 3x that of the 9 European nations with the highest gun ownership rate!8
4.8
USA
United Kingdom
UNITED KINGDOM
CASE STUDY
“Most violent country in EU”9

No guns
POSSESSION OF HANDGUNS
IS ILLEGAL
Crime
2,034 violent crimes
per 100,000 people in UK**9
vs
USA
466 violent crimes
per 100,000 people in USA9

1 minute

In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!9

Kitchen knives are being used in as many as half of all stabbings in the United Kingdom and has prompted a group of doctors to call for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives.10
kitchen knives
Concealed Carry
in America


An analysis of the FBI crime statistics found that states that adopted
concealed carry laws REDUCED:11
8.5%
Murders
5%
Rapes
7%
Aggravated Assaults
3%
Robberies

gun free zone

With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had 3 of the worst 6 school shootings.12

police
Police


794,300
total police officers13

11%
error rate14

14.3
avg. deaths of a shooting
rampage stopped by police15

606
criminals killed each year16

Armed citizen
Armed Citizen


80,000,000
gun owning citizens17

2%
error rate14

2.3
avg. deaths of a shooting
rampage stopped by a citizen15

1,527
criminals killed each year16

Kennesaw Georgia

In 1982, Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to just 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.18

Today, the violent crime rate in Kennesaw is still 85% lower than Georgia's or the national average.19
89% drop
89% Drop
in burglaries after
MANDATORY gun law

http://americangunfacts.com/
QUOTE

I have a question. How many people would be alive if wasn't your right to bear arms?

 

[Wonko]

Knife deaths in recent years have been concerned with a minority group of black gangs killing other blacks in London and other places so your argument would see them getting guns for self protection, what we have seen is more innocent bystanders getting blown away when the gangs progress from knifes to guns so thanks but no thanks you can keep your outdated wild west approach to law and order and we will keep our more civilised progressive approach.

 

[Dee]

But no they do not work in any scenario unless you are going to turn a country into Iran and then it just becomes your own government killing you. Otherwise Innocent people get killed in the hundreds of thousands just using a different means of killing and the victims have no means of defending themselves.

Google is your friend. There are plenty of countries where the intentional homicide, accidental death by shooting, and suicide rates are much, much lower than ours. It works and that's a fact.

 

[reddyash]

I dont think every one should own a gun.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I have a question. How many people would be alive if wasn't your right to bear arms?

How many bad guys would be alive? How many dead innocent women and men who otherwise couldn't protect themselves would be dead? As the stats show there would be many innocent people dead.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Knife deaths in recent years have been concerned with a minority group of black gangs killing other blacks in London and other places so your argument would see them getting guns for self protection, what we have seen is more innocent bystanders getting blown away when the gangs progress from knifes to guns so thanks but no thanks you can keep your outdated wild west approach to law and order and we will keep our more civilised progressive approach.

No I would see law abiding citizens get guns that decreases crime every single time so those gangs can't go after people without consquences.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Google is your friend. There are plenty of countries where the intentional homicide, accidental death by shooting, and suicide rates are much, much lower than ours. It works and that's a fact.

I know Google is my friend that's why it blows what you say out of the water when you break down exactly what those shootings are.