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Would Israel Stop If Jews Moved Into Gaza?

TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
And again, you ignore how Israel came to be. The only time you've even acknowledged it was when you erroneously just said 'Yes, righteously.'

Read a History book, or something dude.
Be discerning as to which one though...We all know you like to cherry pick things to back up (sometimes) outrageous claims.

Have not ignored it, it has been discussed here in many topics on several occasions. And the debate has gone back and forth at nausea who should lay claim to that land in thousands of years people have lived in that region. But we can begin it all again if you like. But if Israel does not belong on that land then Starting with our home country of Australia you and all who came there and took over the country from the natives certainly do not also. And from there we will need to relocate billions across the planet on who won what war from what people and put everyone in there proper places. So lets begin. LOL!


and still deflecting on how legit israel really is and became something else to try to justify what israel did and continuing to do, yeah, great logic there... :rolleyes:

i think @"true liberty" is the type that get mad at a dog and kill it after the dog attacks him when the dog was being beaten and kicked by that type of people...
 
+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
And again, you ignore how Israel came to be. The only time you've even acknowledged it was when you erroneously just said 'Yes, righteously.'

Read a History book, or something dude.
Be discerning as to which one though...We all know you like to cherry pick things to back up (sometimes) outrageous claims.

Have not ignored it, it has been discussed here in many topics on several occasions. And the debate has gone back and forth at nausea who should lay claim to that land in thousands of years people have lived in that region. But we can begin it all again if you like. But if Israel does not belong on that land then Starting with our home country of Australia you and all who came there and took over the country from the natives certainly do not also. And from there we will need to relocate billions across the planet on who won what war from what people and put everyone in there proper places. So lets begin. LOL!


and still deflecting on how legit israel really is and became something else to try to justify what israel did and continuing to do, yeah, great logic there... :rolleyes:

i think @"true liberty" is the type that get mad at a dog and kill it after the dog attacks him when the dog was being beaten and kicked by that type of people...

Not deflecting just disagreeing with your wrong interpretation of history in that region.

You have no idea what type I am or the ability to keep it topic.
 
okay so how did israel become israel? :lol:
 
Joy Division said:
All this killing is done so for reasons that just don't have to be and all too often as usaul ...religion, sometimes we see religion being the reason for killings and this is partly why I'm not religious or don't give it much time, but it's also too convenient to blame religion for the actions of the idiotic few who kill innocent people.

I don't think it will matter how lives where..Israeli PM Nenjamin Netanyahu has called for Jews living in Copenhagen to come and live in Israel ..but there is still no guarantee they will be safe from terrorsits.

What was said earlier is quite right...it is adults who label kids and if they weren't so brainwashed , these kids would have a brighter future.

-link removed-

but to everyone else in that area, israel (zionists generals) are the terrorists by illegally occupying people's land and attacking, bombing and murdering people unprovoked in the first place...

you can't label israel the victim when israel is far from legal and innocent...

facts...
 
but to everyone else in that area, israel (zionists generals) are the terrorists by illegally occupying people's land and attacking, bombing and murdering people unprovoked in the first place...

you can't label israel the victim when israel is far from legal and innocent...

facts...

As opposed to the rest of the neighborhood, which won't even recognize Israel's right-to-exist?
Personally, I kinda' wish they'd go all Crusader on the rest of the region, but what do I know... :rolleyes:
 
Webster said:
but to everyone else in that area, israel (zionists generals) are the terrorists by illegally occupying people's land and attacking, bombing and murdering people unprovoked in the first place...

you can't label israel the victim when israel is far from legal and innocent...

facts...

As opposed to the rest of the neighborhood, which won't even recognize Israel's right-to-exist?
Personally, I kinda' wish they'd go all Crusader on the rest of the region, but what do I know... :rolleyes:

What do you know? You know besides being open to watching a slaughter ion the Middle East.

Within all legal terms, Israel DOESN'T have a right to exist.
It should have never happened.
It's fact, deal with it.
 
+Justice said:
okay so how did israel become israel? :lol:

The State of Israel was created in a peaceful and legal process by the United Nations. It was not created out of Palestinian lands, but rather out of the Ottoman Empire, which had been ruled for 400 years by the Turks who lost it when they, fighting alongside Germany, were defeated in World War I. There were no “Palestinian” lands at the time because there were no people claiming to be Palestinians, but rather simply Arabs who lived in the region of Palestine.


It was only after World War I that the present states of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq were also created – also out of the Turkish Empire by the British and French victors. Jordan was created on about 80 percent of the Palestine Mandate, which was originally designated by the League of Nations as part of the Jewish homeland. Since then, Jews have been prohibited from owning property there.

In 1947, a UN partition plan mandated the creation of two states on the remaining 20 percent of the Palestine Mandate: the State of Israel for the Jews, and another state for the stateless Arabs. But the rulers of eight Arab states did not want a non-Arab state anywhere in the Middle East. Thus they rejected the UN arrangement and simultaneously launched a three-front war of annihilation against the newly created state of Israel -- on the very day of its creation in 1948. Israel begged for peace and offered friendship and cooperation to its neighbors. The Arab dictators rejected this offer and answered it with a war, which they ultimately lost.

A state of war in the Middle East has continued uninterruptedly ever since, because most of the Arab states have refused to sign a peace treaty with Israel, and have refused to recognize the legitimacy of the Jewish state. To this day, the Arab states and the Palestinians refer to the failure of their effort to destroy Israel as Al-Nakba -- The Catastrophe. What for one people was a joyous founding, was seen by the other as a disaster.

Had there been no invasion of Israel by Arab armies whose intent was overtly genocidal, there would have been a state of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza since 1948.

From 1949 to 1956, Egypt waged war against Israel, launching more than 9,000 attacks from terrorist cells set up in the refugee camps of the Gaza Strip. The 1956 “Sinai campaign” ended Egypt’s terror war, even though U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower forced Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion to return the Sinai to Egypt without a peace treaty.

But the Arab war continued on other fronts. In 1964, Yasser Arafat began a campaign of terror whose avowed goal was the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jews. Sponsored first by Kuwait, and later by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, and Iran, Arafat declared unending war against Israel until all of “Palestine” would be liberated, redeemed in “fire and blood.”

In 1967, Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel for a second time and were again defeated. It was in repelling these aggressors that Israel came to control the West Bank and the Gaza strip, as well as the oil-rich Sinai desert. Israel elected not to annex these territories it had captured from the aggressors, but neither did it withdraw its armies or relinquish its control over the region because the Arabs once again refused to make peace.

In 1973 the Arab armies again attacked Israel. This invasion was led by Syria and Egypt, abetted by Iraq, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and five other countries that gave military support to the aggressors. Israel again defeated the Arab forces. Afterwards, Egypt -- and Egypt alone -- agreed to make a formal peace.

In 1987 the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) initiated a violent, six-year Intifada (uprising) directed against Israeli soldiers and civilians alike, after false rumors of Israeli atrocities had circulated through Palestinian territories. During the first four years of the uprising, Palestinians carried out more than 3,600 Molotov cocktail attacks, 100 hand grenade attacks, and 600 assaults with guns or explosives. These actions resulted in the deaths of 16 Israeli civilians and 11 Israeli soldiers, in addition to the wounding of more than 1,400 Israeli civilians and 1,700 Israeli soldiers.

In 1993 the Oslo peace process was initiated, based on the pledge that both parties would renounce violence as a means of settling their disputes. But the Palestinians never followed through on this pledge. During the so-called "peace process" -- between 1993 and 1999 -- they perpetrated more than 4,000 terrorist attacks that resulted in the deaths of more than 1,000 Israelis. During this same period, Israel gave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza a self-governing authority, a 40,000-man armed "police force," and 95 percent of the territory their negotiators demanded. But Israel's efforts to achieve peace were in vain. In 2000, the Palestinians officially launched a new, second Intifada against Israel, effectively terminating the peace process.


Adapted from: "Occupation and Settlement: The Myth and the Reality," by David Meir-Levi (June 5, 2005), and "Why Israel Is the Victim and the Arabs Are the Indefensible Aggressors in the Middle East," by David Horowitz (January 9, 2002).


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory.asp?id=38

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identityissues8 said:
+Justice said:
okay so how did israel become israel? :lol:

Hahahahahahaha.
I hope you don't actually expect TRUE LIB to answer that.

But I did. By the way when are you leaving Australia to give it back the [font=arial, sans-serif]aborigines ?[/font]
 
identityissues8 said:
What do you know? You know besides being open to watching a slaughter ion the Middle East.

Within all legal terms, Israel DOESN'T have a right to exist.
It should have never happened.
It's fact, deal with it.

Personally, an Israeli slaughter of its' neighbors might actually clean up the region, but what do I know... :rolleyes: ...besides, Israel does has a right-to-exist; just ask the United Nations about that one...or you could read what Liberty posted below and then try to explain your way through it.

TRUE LIBERTY said:
+Justice said:
okay so how did israel become israel? :lol:

The State of Israel was created in a peaceful and legal process by the United Nations. It was not created out of Palestinian lands, but rather out of the Ottoman Empire, which had been ruled for 400 years by the Turks who lost it when they, fighting alongside Germany, were defeated in World War I. There were no “Palestinian” lands at the time because there were no people claiming to be Palestinians, but rather simply Arabs who lived in the region of Palestine.


It was only after World War I that the present states of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq were also created – also out of the Turkish Empire by the British and French victors. Jordan was created on about 80 percent of the Palestine Mandate, which was originally designated by the League of Nations as part of the Jewish homeland. Since then, Jews have been prohibited from owning property there.

In 1947, a UN partition plan mandated the creation of two states on the remaining 20 percent of the Palestine Mandate: the State of Israel for the Jews, and another state for the stateless Arabs. But the rulers of eight Arab states did not want a non-Arab state anywhere in the Middle East. Thus they rejected the UN arrangement and simultaneously launched a three-front war of annihilation against the newly created state of Israel -- on the very day of its creation in 1948. Israel begged for peace and offered friendship and cooperation to its neighbors. The Arab dictators rejected this offer and answered it with a war, which they ultimately lost.

A state of war in the Middle East has continued uninterruptedly ever since, because most of the Arab states have refused to sign a peace treaty with Israel, and have refused to recognize the legitimacy of the Jewish state. To this day, the Arab states and the Palestinians refer to the failure of their effort to destroy Israel as Al-Nakba -- The Catastrophe. What for one people was a joyous founding, was seen by the other as a disaster.

Had there been no invasion of Israel by Arab armies whose intent was overtly genocidal, there would have been a state of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza since 1948.

From 1949 to 1956, Egypt waged war against Israel, launching more than 9,000 attacks from terrorist cells set up in the refugee camps of the Gaza Strip. The 1956 “Sinai campaign” ended Egypt’s terror war, even though U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower forced Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion to return the Sinai to Egypt without a peace treaty.

But the Arab war continued on other fronts. In 1964, Yasser Arafat began a campaign of terror whose avowed goal was the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jews. Sponsored first by Kuwait, and later by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, and Iran, Arafat declared unending war against Israel until all of “Palestine” would be liberated, redeemed in “fire and blood.”

In 1967, Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel for a second time and were again defeated. It was in repelling these aggressors that Israel came to control the West Bank and the Gaza strip, as well as the oil-rich Sinai desert. Israel elected not to annex these territories it had captured from the aggressors, but neither did it withdraw its armies or relinquish its control over the region because the Arabs once again refused to make peace.

In 1973 the Arab armies again attacked Israel. This invasion was led by Syria and Egypt, abetted by Iraq, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and five other countries that gave military support to the aggressors. Israel again defeated the Arab forces. Afterwards, Egypt -- and Egypt alone -- agreed to make a formal peace.

In 1987 the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) initiated a violent, six-year Intifada (uprising) directed against Israeli soldiers and civilians alike, after false rumors of Israeli atrocities had circulated through Palestinian territories. During the first four years of the uprising, Palestinians carried out more than 3,600 Molotov cocktail attacks, 100 hand grenade attacks, and 600 assaults with guns or explosives. These actions resulted in the deaths of 16 Israeli civilians and 11 Israeli soldiers, in addition to the wounding of more than 1,400 Israeli civilians and 1,700 Israeli soldiers.

In 1993 the Oslo peace process was initiated, based on the pledge that both parties would renounce violence as a means of settling their disputes. But the Palestinians never followed through on this pledge. During the so-called "peace process" -- between 1993 and 1999 -- they perpetrated more than 4,000 terrorist attacks that resulted in the deaths of more than 1,000 Israelis. During this same period, Israel gave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza a self-governing authority, a 40,000-man armed "police force," and 95 percent of the territory their negotiators demanded. But Israel's efforts to achieve peace were in vain. In 2000, the Palestinians officially launched a new, second Intifada against Israel, effectively terminating the peace process.


Adapted from: "Occupation and Settlement: The Myth and the Reality," by David Meir-Levi (June 5, 2005), and "Why Israel Is the Victim and the Arabs Are the Indefensible Aggressors in the Middle East," by David Horowitz (January 9, 2002).


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory.asp?id=38

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identityissues8 said:
+Justice said:
okay so how did israel become israel? :lol:

Hahahahahahaha.
I hope you don't actually expect TRUE LIB to answer that.

But I did. By the way when are you leaving Australia to give it back the [font=arial, sans-serif]aborigines ?[/font]
 
Webster said:
identityissues8 said:
What do you know? You know besides being open to watching a slaughter ion the Middle East.

Within all legal terms, Israel DOESN'T have a right to exist.
It should have never happened.
It's fact, deal with it.

Personally, an Israeli slaughter of its' neighbors might actually clean up the region, but what do I know... :rolleyes: ...besides, Israel does has a right-to-exist; just ask the United Nations about that one...or you could read what Liberty posted below and then try to explain your way through it.



TRUE LIBERTY said:
+Justice said:
okay so how did israel become israel? :lol:

The State of Israel was created in a peaceful and legal process by the United Nations. It was not created out of Palestinian lands, but rather out of the Ottoman Empire, which had been ruled for 400 years by the Turks who lost it when they, fighting alongside Germany, were defeated in World War I. There were no “Palestinian” lands at the time because there were no people claiming to be Palestinians, but rather simply Arabs who lived in the region of Palestine.


It was only after World War I that the present states of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq were also created – also out of the Turkish Empire by the British and French victors. Jordan was created on about 80 percent of the Palestine Mandate, which was originally designated by the League of Nations as part of the Jewish homeland. Since then, Jews have been prohibited from owning property there.

In 1947, a UN partition plan mandated the creation of two states on the remaining 20 percent of the Palestine Mandate: the State of Israel for the Jews, and another state for the stateless Arabs. But the rulers of eight Arab states did not want a non-Arab state anywhere in the Middle East. Thus they rejected the UN arrangement and simultaneously launched a three-front war of annihilation against the newly created state of Israel -- on the very day of its creation in 1948. Israel begged for peace and offered friendship and cooperation to its neighbors. The Arab dictators rejected this offer and answered it with a war, which they ultimately lost.

A state of war in the Middle East has continued uninterruptedly ever since, because most of the Arab states have refused to sign a peace treaty with Israel, and have refused to recognize the legitimacy of the Jewish state. To this day, the Arab states and the Palestinians refer to the failure of their effort to destroy Israel as Al-Nakba -- The Catastrophe. What for one people was a joyous founding, was seen by the other as a disaster.

Had there been no invasion of Israel by Arab armies whose intent was overtly genocidal, there would have been a state of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza since 1948.

From 1949 to 1956, Egypt waged war against Israel, launching more than 9,000 attacks from terrorist cells set up in the refugee camps of the Gaza Strip. The 1956 “Sinai campaign” ended Egypt’s terror war, even though U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower forced Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion to return the Sinai to Egypt without a peace treaty.

But the Arab war continued on other fronts. In 1964, Yasser Arafat began a campaign of terror whose avowed goal was the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jews. Sponsored first by Kuwait, and later by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, and Iran, Arafat declared unending war against Israel until all of “Palestine” would be liberated, redeemed in “fire and blood.”

In 1967, Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel for a second time and were again defeated. It was in repelling these aggressors that Israel came to control the West Bank and the Gaza strip, as well as the oil-rich Sinai desert. Israel elected not to annex these territories it had captured from the aggressors, but neither did it withdraw its armies or relinquish its control over the region because the Arabs once again refused to make peace.

In 1973 the Arab armies again attacked Israel. This invasion was led by Syria and Egypt, abetted by Iraq, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and five other countries that gave military support to the aggressors. Israel again defeated the Arab forces. Afterwards, Egypt -- and Egypt alone -- agreed to make a formal peace.

In 1987 the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) initiated a violent, six-year Intifada (uprising) directed against Israeli soldiers and civilians alike, after false rumors of Israeli atrocities had circulated through Palestinian territories. During the first four years of the uprising, Palestinians carried out more than 3,600 Molotov cocktail attacks, 100 hand grenade attacks, and 600 assaults with guns or explosives. These actions resulted in the deaths of 16 Israeli civilians and 11 Israeli soldiers, in addition to the wounding of more than 1,400 Israeli civilians and 1,700 Israeli soldiers.

In 1993 the Oslo peace process was initiated, based on the pledge that both parties would renounce violence as a means of settling their disputes. But the Palestinians never followed through on this pledge. During the so-called "peace process" -- between 1993 and 1999 -- they perpetrated more than 4,000 terrorist attacks that resulted in the deaths of more than 1,000 Israelis. During this same period, Israel gave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza a self-governing authority, a 40,000-man armed "police force," and 95 percent of the territory their negotiators demanded. But Israel's efforts to achieve peace were in vain. In 2000, the Palestinians officially launched a new, second Intifada against Israel, effectively terminating the peace process.


Adapted from: "Occupation and Settlement: The Myth and the Reality," by David Meir-Levi (June 5, 2005), and "Why Israel Is the Victim and the Arabs Are the Indefensible Aggressors in the Middle East," by David Horowitz (January 9, 2002).


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory.asp?id=38



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identityissues8 said:
+Justice said:
okay so how did israel become israel? :lol:

Hahahahahahaha.
I hope you don't actually expect TRUE LIB to answer that.

But I did. By the way when are you leaving Australia to give it back the [font=arial, sans-serif]aborigines ?[/font]

Webster I fully expect either the statement this lying propaganda or a video or link showing history rewritten to fit the narrative on how evil Israel is.
 
identityissues8 said:
Kirito said:
+Justice said:
seasidemike said:
As long as the neighbours of Israel want to destroy Israel, there will never be peace.


israel started the killings and wars, the zionists generals destroyed any peace there were when israel pretty much stole palestine and other country's land... and you expect them to be awesome about it? :|

While this is mostly true, they're there to stay now. Neighbouring countries starting a war again 50 years later also wouldn't be justified.

As for the OP. High chance hamas would kill them and israel would double their efforts I'm thinking...
What the actual fuck? Start war again after 50 years?
So when Israel has been killing people in Gaza for the duration of those 50 years that doesn't count as acts of war?

Wow. People really do excuse Israel their crimes.

I do no such thing. No need to twist my words or react offended. I'm sure the several posts I made on this forum about Israel's war crimes is me "excusing them" yeah?
   
All I'm saying is they're there to stay. Any acts of war on either side are no longer justified by the "but they took our land half a century ago" argument which is not even completely accurate in the first place.
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
+Justice said:
okay so how did israel become israel? :lol:

The State of Israel was created in a peaceful and legal process by the United Nations. It was not created out of Palestinian lands, but rather out of the Ottoman Empire, which had been ruled for 400 years by the Turks who lost it when they, fighting alongside Germany, were defeated in World War I. There were no “Palestinian” lands at the time because there were no people claiming to be Palestinians, but rather simply Arabs who lived in the region of Palestine.


It was only after World War I that the present states of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq were also created – also out of the Turkish Empire by the British and French victors. Jordan was created on about 80 percent of the Palestine Mandate, which was originally designated by the League of Nations as part of the Jewish homeland. Since then, Jews have been prohibited from owning property there.

In 1947, a UN partition plan mandated the creation of two states on the remaining 20 percent of the Palestine Mandate: the State of Israel for the Jews, and another state for the stateless Arabs. But the rulers of eight Arab states did not want a non-Arab state anywhere in the Middle East. Thus they rejected the UN arrangement and simultaneously launched a three-front war of annihilation against the newly created state of Israel -- on the very day of its creation in 1948. Israel begged for peace and offered friendship and cooperation to its neighbors. The Arab dictators rejected this offer and answered it with a war, which they ultimately lost.

A state of war in the Middle East has continued uninterruptedly ever since, because most of the Arab states have refused to sign a peace treaty with Israel, and have refused to recognize the legitimacy of the Jewish state. To this day, the Arab states and the Palestinians refer to the failure of their effort to destroy Israel as Al-Nakba -- The Catastrophe. What for one people was a joyous founding, was seen by the other as a disaster.

Had there been no invasion of Israel by Arab armies whose intent was overtly genocidal, there would have been a state of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza since 1948.

From 1949 to 1956, Egypt waged war against Israel, launching more than 9,000 attacks from terrorist cells set up in the refugee camps of the Gaza Strip. The 1956 “Sinai campaign” ended Egypt’s terror war, even though U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower forced Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion to return the Sinai to Egypt without a peace treaty.

But the Arab war continued on other fronts. In 1964, Yasser Arafat began a campaign of terror whose avowed goal was the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jews. Sponsored first by Kuwait, and later by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, and Iran, Arafat declared unending war against Israel until all of “Palestine” would be liberated, redeemed in “fire and blood.”

In 1967, Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel for a second time and were again defeated. It was in repelling these aggressors that Israel came to control the West Bank and the Gaza strip, as well as the oil-rich Sinai desert. Israel elected not to annex these territories it had captured from the aggressors, but neither did it withdraw its armies or relinquish its control over the region because the Arabs once again refused to make peace.

In 1973 the Arab armies again attacked Israel. This invasion was led by Syria and Egypt, abetted by Iraq, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and five other countries that gave military support to the aggressors. Israel again defeated the Arab forces. Afterwards, Egypt -- and Egypt alone -- agreed to make a formal peace.

In 1987 the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) initiated a violent, six-year Intifada (uprising) directed against Israeli soldiers and civilians alike, after false rumors of Israeli atrocities had circulated through Palestinian territories. During the first four years of the uprising, Palestinians carried out more than 3,600 Molotov cocktail attacks, 100 hand grenade attacks, and 600 assaults with guns or explosives. These actions resulted in the deaths of 16 Israeli civilians and 11 Israeli soldiers, in addition to the wounding of more than 1,400 Israeli civilians and 1,700 Israeli soldiers.

In 1993 the Oslo peace process was initiated, based on the pledge that both parties would renounce violence as a means of settling their disputes. But the Palestinians never followed through on this pledge. During the so-called "peace process" -- between 1993 and 1999 -- they perpetrated more than 4,000 terrorist attacks that resulted in the deaths of more than 1,000 Israelis. During this same period, Israel gave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza a self-governing authority, a 40,000-man armed "police force," and 95 percent of the territory their negotiators demanded. But Israel's efforts to achieve peace were in vain. In 2000, the Palestinians officially launched a new, second Intifada against Israel, effectively terminating the peace process.


Adapted from: "Occupation and Settlement: The Myth and the Reality," by David Meir-Levi (June 5, 2005), and "Why Israel Is the Victim and the Arabs Are the Indefensible Aggressors in the Middle East," by David Horowitz (January 9, 2002).


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory.asp?id=38





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identityissues8 said:
+Justice said:
okay so how did israel become israel? :lol:

Hahahahahahaha.
I hope you don't actually expect TRUE LIB to answer that.

But I did. By the way when are you leaving Australia to give it back the [font=arial, sans-serif]aborigines ?[/font]


all i see are words that are biased views and opinions about history, not history, but good try...

and who the hell was the u.n. back in those days to those people that lived there anyways?

claiming that the u.n. agreement was peaceful yet there were no agreement to those people that were there before the jewish people started going there because they have a way of burning bridges and backstabbing people and countries as a whole...

hitler treated the jewish people as terrorists and what they did against germany as an act of war... it had nothing to do with their faith...


http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=412
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
BINGO! Just what I expected.


what?

the palestinians welcomed the jewish people into palestine only to be back-stabbed and killed by the jewish people? :|

seems about right...
 
+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
BINGO! Just what I expected.


what?

the palestinians welcomed the jewish people into palestine only to be back-stabbed and killed by the jewish people? :|

seems about right...

The British welcomed the jewish people into Palestine after they conquered it. All the palestinians did was riot, kill them and create bad blood. They never wanted them there. I understand being anti-israel, but keep your facts straight.
 
Kirito said:
+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
BINGO! Just what I expected.


what?

the palestinians welcomed the jewish people into palestine only to be back-stabbed and killed by the jewish people? :|

seems about right...

The British welcomed the jewish people into Palestine after they conquered it. All the palestinians did was riot, kill them and create bad blood. They never wanted them there. I understand being anti-israel, but keep your facts straight.


yeah, okay...

well, why don't you watch this simple video that's more true than words...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

Reference and original, including an explanation about each character in this video: http://blog.ninapaley.com/2012/10/01/this-land-is-mine/

It tells the story of the wars in the land called Israel/Palestine/Canaan/the Levant, since the cavemen until today, all so musical and poetic.

"This Land is Mine" is a video from Nina Paley, originally posted on Vimeo.
In the end of this video appear the text "Copying is an Act of Love, please copy and share. copyheart.org". So, here it is.


LYRIC:

The Exodus Song, "This Land is Mine"
(Lyrics by Pat Boone. Sung by Andy Williams)

This land is mine
God gave this land to me

This brave and ancient land to me
And when the morning sun
Reveals her hills and plains
Then I see a land
Where children can run free.

So take my hand
And walk this land with me
And walk this lovely land with me
Tho' I am just a man

When you are by my side

With the help of God
I know I can be strong.

Tho' I am just a man

When you are by my side

With the help of God
I know I can be strong.

To make this land our home

If I must fight

I'll fight to make this land our own.
Until I die this land is mine!
 
If we are sharing cartoons let me include one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0oCctiYhHVw
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
If we are sharing cartoons let me include one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0oCctiYhHVw

but in the unbiased video i posted, the cartoon shows truth and history... it shows that the "jewish" people weren't the first people on the land, so your argument that the israelis were on the land before everyone else is completely false...

your stupid glenn beck cartoon video shows lies and false history...  :tdown:

but good for you for believing garbage...  :tup:
 
+Justice said:
Kirito said:
+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
BINGO! Just what I expected.


what?

the palestinians welcomed the jewish people into palestine only to be back-stabbed and killed by the jewish people? :|

seems about right...

The British welcomed the jewish people into Palestine after they conquered it. All the palestinians did was riot, kill them and create bad blood. They never wanted them there. I understand being anti-israel, but keep your facts straight.


yeah, okay...

well, why don't you watch this simple video that's more true than words...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY


Reference and original, including an explanation about each character in this video: http://blog.ninapaley.com/2012/10/01/this-land-is-mine/

It tells the story of the wars in the land called Israel/Palestine/Canaan/the Levant, since the cavemen until today, all so musical and poetic.

"This Land is Mine" is a video from Nina Paley, originally posted on Vimeo.
In the end of this video appear the text "Copying is an Act of Love, please copy and share. copyheart.org". So, here it is.


LYRIC:

The Exodus Song, "This Land is Mine"
(Lyrics by Pat Boone. Sung by Andy Williams)

This land is mine
God gave this land to me

This brave and ancient land to me
And when the morning sun
Reveals her hills and plains
Then I see a land
Where children can run free.

So take my hand
And walk this land with me
And walk this lovely land with me
Tho' I am just a man

When you are by my side

With the help of God
I know I can be strong.

Tho' I am just a man

When you are by my side

With the help of God
I know I can be strong.

To make this land our home

If I must fight

I'll fight to make this land our own.
Until I die this land is mine!

A song is more true than history? lol

When you want to disregard history while continuing an argument based on history it no longer makes sense. It was the British who had a mandate on Palestine and allowed the jewish to start migrating there. The arabs there at that time did NOT want them and there was killing on BOTH sides. Not that I think this is at all relevant anymore, but hey, since you keep wanting to go back a 100 years in time at least be historically correct.
 
+Justice said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
If we are sharing cartoons let me include one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0oCctiYhHVw


but in the unbiased video i posted, the cartoon shows truth and history... it shows that the "jewish" people weren't the first people on the land, so your argument that the israelis were on the land before everyone else is completely false...

your stupid glenn beck cartoon video shows lies and false history...  :tdown:

but good for you for believing garbage...  :tup:

Unbiased? Besides beiNg so simple that it is completely wrong. And I like how it is so unbiased there is a scene showing a Jew giving a few more extra blows to its Victim clearly making a very biased statement in the video. Now the Glenn beck video is humorous and very accurate.
 

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