People who commit suicide

[Ravenfreak]

I've never been to that breaking point, but my wife almost committed suicide five years ago... I don't think anyone who commits suicide is a coward, they were hurting and thought the world would have been better off without them... Mental health is real, if your brain isn't doing well then you're not healthy, because your brain literally controls everything you do. If you are hurting and at the point where you have a plan... please reach out to someone. If my wife wasn't going to therapy, I just don't know what would have happened... and I don't want to know really. I know it's hard to think of others when your own judgement is clouded...

 

[DrLeftover]

I have heard people here say that to directly and knowingly refuse to continue medical treatment is the same as committing suicide.

They believe in fighting for every minute of life no matter the cost, or the pain, it puts you through.

And they are supposed to be Christians.

I absolutely and totally disagree with them.

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There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:

a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.


Ecclesiastes 3 (NIV)

 

[MrDawn]

There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:

a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.


Ecclesiastes 3 (NIV)

Or you could just be forgetting that it's your god's will for them to die.

You worship a deity that is responsible for everything.

 

[DrLeftover]

You worship a deity that is responsible for everything.

Yeah.

And.

So?

 

[MrDawn]

Yeah.

And.

So?

Quit being a hypocrite about your religion.

 

[DrLeftover]

Quit being a hypocrite about your religion.

@Webster @Nebulous
Sirs, please, tell me exactly how I am being a hypocrite?

 

[MrDawn]

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[passenger]

I have heard people here say that to directly and knowingly refuse to continue medical treatment is the same as committing suicide.

They believe in fighting for every minute of life no matter the cost, or the pain, it puts you through.

And they are supposed to be Christians.

I absolutely and totally disagree with them.

A lot of times Christians are all 'lumped' together as believing everything in unison. And yet, I'm sure you know that there are Christians who follow the belief that they do not seek medical attention. Perplexing that there are so many totally different trains of thought and ways of doing things.
FWIW I do happen to follow your thoughts here.

 

[Webster]

@Webster @Nebulous
Sirs, please, tell me exactly how I am being a hypocrite?

By cherry picking bible scripture to justify your opinion. I understand that it is more of a personal position or veiw that you have that you're against suicide and less so of a religious one. That I dont take issue with. It's okay to state why you don't like something. Trying to moral frag people with a religion is the part of your argument that I find offensive.

I don't think I called you a hypocrite there, Doc; if anything, I was simply pointing out that there was a difference between actively wanting to end/attempting to end/taking one's life and deciding not to continue medical treatments and acknowledging the inevitability of one's coming death.

A lot of times Christians are all 'lumped' together as believing everything in unison. And yet, I'm sure you know that there are Christians who follow the belief that they do not seek medical attention. Perplexing that there are so many totally different trains of thought and ways of doing things.

Passenger's right; if you were to poll everyone at the Adventist church I attend, odds are you'll find me likely either out on the island alone or in a small minority. Doesn't bother me any because I know when the books are opened at the Final Judgment, that's when I'll be judged. Not here on this earth.

Knowing that gives you a freedom in diversity of thought/speech....

 

[passenger]

I don't think I called you a hypocrite there, Doc; if anything, I was simply pointing out that there was a difference between actively wanting to end/attempting to end/taking one's life and deciding not to continue medical treatments and acknowledging the inevitability of one's coming death.

Passenger's right; if you were to poll everyone at the Adventist church I attend, odds are you'll find me likely either out on the island alone or in a small minority. Doesn't bother me any because I know when the books are opened at the Final Judgment, that's when I'll be judged. Not here on this earth.

Knowing that gives you a freedom in diversity of thought/speech....

@Webster: I don't think that Doc meant that you were calling him a hypocrite; I think he was talking about post #25 here.

 

[Webster]

@Webster: I don't think that Doc meant that you were calling him a hypocrite; I think he was talking about post #25 here.

Ohhh, my apologies there.

 

[PGen98]

Suicide isn't cowardly, nor is it a sign of weakness. I've been there, more than a few times, I still go there at times, but unlike others I don't have the strength to do the deed. Suicidal ideation comes from pain, from torment, from hitting a low so far down that even the light has escaped your sight. There's nothing left but darkness, pain, anguish and despair. When your life has nothing left but that, and nothing you try to amend things works, suicide becomes not just a viable option, but a necessary one.

I keep going because I can't bring myself to end it, THAT'S cowardly and I acknowledge that wholeheartedly. Dysthymia makes me go there frequently, but doesn't give me the strength to make it happen. It's not a cry for help, I've had help, I've done everything you're supposed to do to get help and feel better, it doesn't work. So you put on the happy face, make everyone think all is well and you carry on suffering. Imagine that as your life. Constantly. Is it cowardly to leave that behind?

I view those who take their lives as people who have finally ended their pain, I feel a sense of relief for them.

 

[passenger]

Ohhh, my apologies there.

No apologies needed!! I was just thinking that maybe someone might benefit from one of your pengy slaps at the very least, Mr Snark Master. And it ain't me.

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

@Webster @Nebulous
Sirs, please, tell me exactly how I am being a hypocrite?

Just kidding, I don't think you are one.

 

[Webster]

I was just thinking that maybe someone might benefit from one of your pengy slaps at the very least, Mr Snark Master.

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Heres one from @passenger

 

[Webster]

And here's one to @passenger

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

We belong on the Jerry Springer Show

 

[Webster]

We belong on the Jerry Springer Show

L-R: @passenger, @Webster and @Nebulous

 

[Cory]

I think it's sad that it has to come to such an action, but I believe every person has the right to choose whether to live or not. I've been through some very rough mental struggles throughout my life that made me feel like offing myself. To this very day I still have the occasional suicidal thoughts, but not anywhere near as impactful as they once were. Like many have said, none of us asked to be in this world, so whether we want to be in this world or not should be up to the individual.

This is a very touchy subject in general that will have many differing views. I'm sure a large percentage of people in life have at least thought about suicide during really tough struggles. We often try and run from our problems and when there seems like there's no way out, it feels that such actions are deemed necessary to get away from something you cannot escape.