Death Penalty, For or Against?

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Are you for or against the Death Penalty?



I'm for it, but it depends on the situation. Some people have a messed up brain and cannot feel pain or remorse for what they do. They could think its perfectly fine to rape little boys and girls and torture then kill people. Those ones should be put to death.

 

[Princess]

Sometimes it's not a messed up brain that causes them to feel no remorse--sometimes it's just a warped sense of right and wrong.....

But anyway, yes, I believe in the death penalty.

 

[Abe Froman]

All for it.



Jails don't work, Period. It's a Criminal Social Club, just a place for the scum of the earth to gather and discuss their crimes and how to do them. A good metaphor is a garbage dump. If you pile up enough garbage in the pile, the only thing that spawns from it is disease. That's what prison is, a breeding ground for disease.



All Murderers (1st and 2nd degree, not manslaughter), Rapists, Child Molestors, and Dangerous re-offenders should be killed. Why should I pay for them to live in a heated room, with 3 square meals a day, plus sports and extra perks. They took so much from society, so why should we pay for these scum to survive?

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

All for it.



Jails don't work, Period. It's a Criminal Social Club, just a place for the scum of the earth to gather and discuss their crimes and how to do them. A good metaphor is a garbage dump. If you pile up enough garbage in the pile, the only thing that spawns from it is disease. That's what prison is, a breeding ground for disease.



All Murderers (1st and 2nd degree, not manslaughter), Rapists, Child Molestors, and Dangerous re-offenders should be killed. Why should I pay for them to live in a heated room, with 3 square meals a day, plus sports and extra perks. They took so much from society, so why should we pay for these scum to survive?

I agree. Its sickening that the tax payers have to pay for people like to receive those things. Also the fact that our jails are so over crowded that we have to spend even more money to build more prisons to house those people. I think once a person is proven guilty of such crimes, they should just be done away with instantly. No waiting around for years, appeals, etc, etc..

 

[Skillet]

I am for the death penalty, in the exact same cases as you. Rape, murderers, and that kind of thing. I also want to know 100% without a doubt at all, these people are guilty.



Since 1973, 135 death-row prisoners have been released because they were innocent. In addition, at least seven people have been executed since 1976 even though they were probably innocent. Wrongful convictions often result from false confessions, which are frequent among people with mental retardation, mistaken eyewitnesses, jail house snitches, junk science and prosecutional abuse.



Oh on cost:

The most comprehensive death penalty study in the country found that the death penalty cost North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of these costs occur at the trial level. In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70 percent more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases, including the costs of incarceration.

So, some improvement needs to be done. I never knew that it cost more to execute a person until a year ago. Did you?

 

[Discord]

100% for the death penalty for rape and murder for the reasons stated above.

 

[Skillet]

100% for the death penalty for rape and murder for the reasons stated above.

Do you feel the cost outdoes the need? 2 million dollars in the current economy is a lot of money. Maybe it is better to let them rot? Defend your reasoning =]

 

[Kaczynski]

Before I used to think that prison was worse than death. And it probably is. Death is just an easy way out. But you can't risk them getting out on parole, teaching each other things, and just clogging up your goddamn jail. If they're in for life with no chance of parole, why don't you just execute them? What are you waiting for, for them to reform in prison and the die in prison anyway? And some people really, truly deserve to die. I'm not saying that psychotics who have a warped perception of right and wrong should die because their brain is screwed up, but criminally sane psychopathic sadists who torture children deserve to die. They're the ones who're smart enough to trick psychiatrists and the like that they're cured, when really, it's all for self-gratification. Some probably even get a thrill out of controlling people to believe what they want them to believe.

 

[Skillet]

Before I used to think that prison was worse than death. And it probably is. Death is just an easy way out. But you can't risk them getting out on parole, teaching each other things, and just clogging up your goddamn jail. If they're in for life with no chance of parole, why don't you just execute them? What are you waiting for, for them to reform in prison and the die in prison anyway? And some people really, truly deserve to die. I'm not saying that psychotics who have a warped perception of right and wrong should die because their brain is screwed up, but criminally sane psychopathic sadists who torture children deserve to die. They're the ones who're smart enough to trick psychiatrists and the like that they're cured, when really, it's all for self-gratification. Some probably even get a thrill out of controlling people to believe what they want them to believe.

Right now, I stated it costs around 2 million to execute a person. The median being between 1-7 million. A person facing life imprisonment with no chance of parole costs $500 000. Does the cost outnumber it?



Also, I have mentioned about wrongfully convicted death penalties. What if you kill an innocent person? In the past 30 years, at least 7 mentally retarded people have been killed, often because they answered unknowingly of what to.



Some more facts:



African Americans have made up 41 percent of death row inmates and 34 percent of those actually executed since 1976 but currently are only 12 percent of the general population.



Whites are in fact twice as likely as African Americans to receive the death penalty and are also executed more quickly after sentencing.



Source: http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/racism.htm





123 people in 25 states were released from death row when new evidence of their innocence emerged. These people were going to be killed! This is only in the past 33 years.



Source: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocen ... th-penalty



Still think death penalty is the way to go?

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Once someone is proven guilty of such horrible crimes they should just be taken out back and shot.

How much does a bullet cost?

 

[Skillet]

What if they were innocent, and evidence later proves this? Worth it? What if you were the innocent one?

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Some people admit guilt.. Some evidence is 100% rock solid...

 

[Skillet]

To be put on death row, the evidence is supposed to be rock solid, as you are dealing with a life. As you can see by even the amount of people released off death row because of new evidence, what is thought to be pretty solid, isn't always the case.

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Well if someone is found guilty without a doubt or has confessed to the crime.. Then why wait?

They dont deserve to live. (well depending on what crime the committed)

 

[Skillet]

Well if someone is found guilty without a doubt or has confessed to the crime.. Then why wait?

They dont deserve to live. (well depending on what crime the committed)

What if like in 6 examples they were mentally handicapped, or under duress? Also, what one court thinks is deserving of death, might be completely different than another. Take a look at Texas, which has 4 times as many executions as any other state. New York has none. Washington has only had 4. Where's the justice in that?



According to a 2003 Amnesty International report, blacks and whites were the victims of murder in almost equal numbers, yet 80 percent of the people executed since 1977 were convicted of murdering white victims. Fair?



What if they didn't admit, and were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Then what? Kill them? I don't think so. So many INNOCENT lives have been lost due to this.



Another issue is the quality of the defense in a case where the accused has a public defender. The competence of the defense attorney is a better predictor of whether or not someone will be sentenced to death than the facts of the crime



One reason that there is no general consensus on whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent is that it is used so rarely - only about one out of every 300 murders actually results in an execution.



So, it costs MORE money, doesn't provide a deterrent, and innocent people can die. What more do you want from me to prove that it is wrong?

 

[Toxic]

Depending on the case, if let's say they murdered a 10293892940493 people then yeah they need to die. It's just not worth it to keep them alive, but there are conditions were people thrown in jail because they got accused of doing something bad.



It is not easy to live in jail as well. You can get sexually assaulted by your cellmate.. I have seen that happening on tv

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[Skillet]

Depending on the case, if let's say they murdered a 10293892940493 people then yeah they need to die. It's just not worth it to keep them alive, but there are conditions were people thrown in jail because they got accused of doing something bad.



It is not easy to live in jail as well. You can get sexually assaulted by your cellmate.. I have seen that happening on tv

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How would you manage to kill everyone on the Earth 10 times over? But I get what you mean. Multiple sex offenders, or chain murderers should be. But there should be a 110% probability of their guilt. As it stands, this is not the case. How many innocent lives will it take to be enough?

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Depending on the case, if let's say they murdered a 10293892940493 people then yeah they need to die.

If they murder one person they need to die. An eye for an eye I say.

 

[Skillet]

[quote name='Toxic']Depending on the case, if let's say they murdered a 10293892940493 people then yeah they need to die.

If they murder one person they need to die. An eye for an eye I say.[/quote]



Who gives you the right though to take someone else's life? Does that really make you any better than them? The emotional impulse for revenge isn't a sufficient justification for invoking a system of capital punishment, with all its accompanying problems and risks. Our laws and criminal justice system should lead us to higher principles that demonstrate a complete respect for life, even the life of a murderer. Encouraging our basest motives of revenge, which ends in another killing, extends the chain of violence. Allowing executions sanctions killing as a form of 'pay-back.'



The saying of an eye for an eye, or a life for a life, is a simplistic one in which our society has never endorsed. We do not allow torturing the torturer, or raping the rapist. Taking the life of a murderer is a similarly disproportionate punishment, especially in light of the fact that the U.S. executes only a small percentage of those convicted of murder, and these defendants are typically not the worst offenders but merely the ones with the fewest resources to defend themselves.

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

[quote name='Nebulous'][quote name='Toxic']Depending on the case, if let's say they murdered a 10293892940493 people then yeah they need to die.

If they murder one person they need to die. An eye for an eye I say.[/quote]



Who gives you the right though to take someone else's life? Does that really make you any better than them?[/quote]

I'm not the one taking the life...

I think its horrilble that my tax dollars pay for such scum that rape little boys and girls, torture people, and/or committed any other disgusting horrible acts get to live their lives in a resort where they can get 3 meals a day, watch tv, interact with other people, work out, and do all sorts of other various activities they get to do in prison.