Death Penalty

[DrLeftover]

Revenge is the wrong reason to impose the death penalty.

 

[Temerit]

Thats not the point, The point is someone took away someones life, why should they deserve to live?

You would put someone to death for one murder??



You know, there is a reason we don't use eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth anymore.



Rehabilitation is possible, even with the conditions in prison, people can become different people, especially if they committed the murder early in their life and continue to mature while in prison, learn to regret taking that person's life, to hate that decision.

 

[DrLeftover]

You would put someone to death for one murder??



You know, there is a reason we don't use eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth anymore.



Rehabilitation is possible, even with the conditions in prison, people can become different people, especially if they committed the murder early in their life and continue to mature while in prison, learn to regret taking that person's life, to hate that decision.

Rehabilitation is only possible if the individual in question wants to change.



Otherwise... it's a bad, and very expensive joke, and their next victim is the punchline.

 

[Temerit]

There are so many factors that go into the death penalty. If it stays the way it is with the methods of execution, with execution more expensive then keeping them locked away for the rest of their life then I see no reason not to just have them serve life.

 

[DrLeftover]

The assumption with the it costs more to kill them is based on a lot of misconceptions and a lot of politics. Face it, keeping somebody locked up isn't cheap either, they are still entitled to endless appeals and free medical care and all the rest, which will add up just as much for the next fifty years or so.



Some good information is here: http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001000



But the argument is so one sided that there is not a lot of unbiased information out there.

 

[Peace2]

Revenge is the wrong reason to impose the death penalty.

Revenge? How about the idea that the person is probably too evil exist amongst society?

I have a strong belief that, some people need to perish, so that others may live and feel safe.



I believe that people like Ted Bundy deserve the death penalty, and I believe pedophiles-sex-offenders deserve it too since they are likely to offend again.



You want to try to rehabilitate one of them? What if they relapse and touch another child again? Do you really want that on your hands because of this Let's rehabilitate stuff? I mean you can sure as heck try to, but if there's little to no progress I say flip the switch.



Also it costs money to keep those types in there as well..and I am sure it is a more hectic job to keep the child rapists safe because plenty of prisoners want to tear those types of apart. Why keep a child rapist alive when the prisoners will probably kill him eventually? I am not sure of the death ratio of prisoners acting out violently against other inmates but I am pretty sure a child rapist hasn't a chance in hell of surviving unless he has connections or big bulky like-minded friends. If it were my child who touched another child, I would still be saying the same thing.



See, I would love to believe that everyone can be rehabilitated, and can be functioning members of society..if people would stop repeating the same offenses, over and over again. So I am for it in a sense, because some people are just too sick and evil to live and are a danger to us.

 

[DrLeftover]

And so you are the one qualified to determine who is too evil to live, when a criminal has been rehabilitated and when they are still dangerous.



After having working inside the fence in the criminal justice system for ten years I can tell you that rehabilitation is a joke that well meaning social workers tell to each other and almost every convict knows it too and can play the game at will.



There are also murderers that never feel the remorse that others hang their hats on. Once again I'll cite Mr. James Allen Reddog whom is one of the death row inmates I had met several times face to face.



Other career criminals face the three time loser law. Whereon the third felony conviction they draw a life sentence. Would you put them to death instead?



You also seem to focus on child predators, I do agree that once they cross that line they are very unlikely to ever change, but some do. How do you decide that they are cured or not?



Death is permanent, are you willing to invoke a permanent solution to a temporary problem?

 

[Peace2]

And so you are the one qualified to determine who is too evil to live, when a criminal has been rehabilitated and when they are still dangerous.



After having working inside the fence in the criminal justice system for ten years I can tell you that rehabilitation is a joke that well meaning social workers tell to each other and almost every convict knows it too and can play the game at will.



There are also murderers that never feel the remorse that others hang their hats on. Once again I'll cite Mr. James Allen Reddog whom is one of the death row inmates I had met several times face to face.



Other career criminals face the three time loser law. Whereon the third felony conviction they draw a life sentence. Would you put them to death instead?



You also seem to focus on child predators, I do agree that once they cross that line they are very unlikely to ever change, but some do. How do you decide that they are cured or not?



Death is permanent, are you willing to invoke a permanent solution to a temporary problem?

So you are the one qualified to determine who should live?

If you don't show any remorse at all nor do you care about the people surrounding you, you're probably too evil to live. And I don't get to decide that, the judge/jury does.



I focus on child predators because they are apart of the system as well and its something to consider. You scared a child for life , so in my opinion, you deserve to be locked up for the rest of yours or get the chair or the shot. I wouldn't know if they are cured or not, no one does. It's still an ongoing study , while in today's world, they continue to offend. I don't think there is a cure for those types of people. So far what I have watched/read about those types of people , is that they're repressing urges. That's not a cure. That sounds like a whole lot of temporary brainwashing.That is a temporary solution to a problem (heh) as far as those types of people go imo.



A life sentence is just fine to me. I am not calling for the death penalty on all types of people. I am calling for the death penalty for those who are too far gone. What kind of life would that person live being insane like that? Pumped up with medications to resist urges that are violent,just so they can possibly turn into a vegetable? Let's say you shot a man because he wouldn't give you his wallet, you get caught, do time, show remorse-you have some type of humanity left in you, you are probably savable. Let's change it up a bit: you beat a woman bloody raw after kidnapping her and raping her,killed her afterwards, got caught, went to jail, laughed about it once you got out and continued to do it. You are probably not savable.



As far as sociopathic murderers and child rapists go, yep. I can't see how inhumane the death penalty is when jail itself isn't exactly humane. You lock people up in a tiny area where they can smell their own fecal matter next to their beds, lock them up in a tiny room when they act up, allow inmates to get beaten or raped (especially women).. or the most ironic one of all that everyone seems to bargain for: leave them there until they get old and die.



However these are just my opinions. I'll just agree to disagree because I'm very busy with fixing this crap computer.