"Freedom of Speech or Thinking in Free Countries"

[Naiwen]

Should anyone ask me to stop making them think or saying it then? No. Because it's everyone's personal basic right too, huh?

 

[Naiwen]

And personally, i don't get why people need to pay for their "already free rights" either.

 

[Naiwen]

Which free rights?

Can I ask something there: what freedoms are we fighting for/defending or do we not have? XD We are all in this world, created by someone else, not us, Humans.

 

[Naiwen]

Yes, and is it worth dying for or risking your life for? No.

 

[Naiwen]

Not even then.... Buddhism/Hinduism/Judaism teaches or preaches a non-violent self-defense approach: to let the other attack you first so he/she can know shame and can respect you because nothing can be accomplished through more violence.

 

[Sinon]

Yes, I'm sure that mugger will absolutely die of shame while driving a kitchen knife into someone's gut.

 

[Naiwen]

If humans had a basic consciousness, yes, we could solve anything through non-violence, so there's no need
to fight for anything. What has fighting/dying for accomplished for the world? Nothing.

 

[Sinon]

I hope you mean conscience, otherwise that statement is hilariously misinformed.

 

[Naiwen]

I hope you mean conscience, otherwise that statement is hilariously misinformed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness No, basic human consciousness, lol, again comes from French, which is
the correct term in English.

 

[Sinon]

Consciousness is awareness. People can still be conscious and violent, so... yeah, you're misinformed. Goodie.

 

[Naiwen]

Consciousness is awareness. People can still be conscious and violent, so... yeah, you're misinformed. Goodie.

Yeah, but what we think is "human morality/sense of justice" is called basic conscience and humans seem to view it very differently. If we didn't, we'd not have wars.


And you can go do a blood/DNA test to see we're all humans, lol. You're not going to argue about being human, are you?

As I do recall, you all preach about us being "all humans" eh? So yes freedom from what? From being humans?

And what about "human rights" ?


You imagined a God, then demanded "freedom of religion..."

You as a Human thought natural forces and Earth dominated/ruled you, so you asked for "more rights...from your non-existent God..." XD


So yes, freedoms are big human delusions as are "human rights". And do tell me, to whom are you going to ask for "more rights...or freedoms"? XD the sky? the oceans? XD the Universe? Can't answer, humm...?

You imagined countries and borders, so you then demanded "emancipation/independance from your countries/human borders..." So to end all political struggles/conflicts or "fights for freedoms" and to live in a happy "free land", we Humans must first forget about all countries/borders, we are all humans and live on planet Earth.


And you can go ask anyone you want for "more human rights & freedoms", no one's going to listen to you anyways. I hope i'm not "hurting anyone's fragile beliefs and feelings" by pointing out the harsh realities of human life and human conditions. You live on Earth, as a human, you need to realize that before "demanding more freedoms or rights..." And as I said, to whom, anyways...?

 

[Naiwen]

Sounds good Ashera but who are we all kidding? The human race is still in the baby stages of life, and have evil tendencies and animal instinct still, civilized but not enough to live in peace...

We need as humans to get rid of all our "primitive human instincts and minds" to achieve that, really. We are delusioned. What "freedoms" do we not have? It's only just a lie in our heads.

 

[DrLeftover]

"Freedom of expression"

America?

Not any more

HUNTINGTON BEACH (CBSLA.com) — Veterans are rallying around a local bar whose owners say they have been ordered to removed a sign that salutes their service.

“Thank a veteran for your freedom!” says a large sign perched above Johnny’s Booze and Pool. Vets love it and make up a significant part of the establishment’s clientele.

“I love this place. The sign gives me the pride back that I lost … I struggled a lot when I first came back,” an Army vet told CBS2′s Stacey Butler.

But someone complained to the city about the sign, and now the bar’s owners say they’ve been ordered to take it down.

“We received a letter in the mail from the city stating that we have to remove it within two days or they were going to fine us, like, $940,” says co-owner John Marovic.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/11/26/huntington-beach-bar-fights-to-save-sign-that-salutes-veterans/

“We can’t recruit against the Confederate flag.”

The controversy over the waving of the Confederate flag at Ole Miss football games – and the racist stereotype it perpetuated -- had been simmering for years, decades even.

http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2013/10/former_ole_miss_chancellor_tal.html

 

[Naiwen]

And.... you can't harm the majority in a society....if your "freedom of expression" is hurting the majority of people...then
it should be taken away from you and stopped. But seems it's not the case in "free countries..." why, you can even vandalize/offend others... while excersizing your "freedom of expression..." or other "freedom of speech..."

 

[DrLeftover]

But of course.

November 27, 2013

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — A Woodbury family is fighting to get their son out of a prison in Abu Dhabi. He’s been living in Dubai for the last seven years working as a business consultant.

But 29-year-old Shezanne Cassim was put in prison because the government didn’t like a parody video he posted on YouTube.

His family says he made it with some friends as a spoof about young people in Dubai.

United Arab Emirates officials say it violates cybercrimes law and poses a threat to national security.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/11/27/group-american-held-in-dubai-for-online-parody/

 

[Naiwen]

Yeah, if someone's "freedom of speech's" threatening a society's peace, then yes... he or she should stop saying it. (Maybe not put in prison, but yeah...)

 

[DrLeftover]

Anybody else catching a whiff of a double standard with our friend here?

 

[Sinon]

There's definitely a miasma.

 

[Naiwen]

Anybody else catching a whiff of a double standard with our friend here?

Any society is made of double-standards...XD Since it's a "free one", everybody should be able to say anything they want without even having to care about that even (since they got the "freedom to protest" too (and they can say anything they want without fearing any repercussions from anyone else or anything else...least of all: their community, lol.) And that's "full freedom of speech", no?