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Guns

Should gun laws be outlawed? or Should guns be outlawed? Please re-define the topic.
 
There are legitimate reasons for people to own guns, so no, they shouldn't be outlawed. After all, some drugs are illegal...doesn't stop people from using them.
 
Exactly. Passing a law making something illegal doesn't usually stop a criminal from doing that.
 
Most illegal guns were legal at one time or another. Outlawing guns and the factories that make them will leave even less guns for criminals to get. That said, having them not outlawed just encourages and increases gun crime within the home and stuff like columbine. It's so easy to steal a gun or just use your own in those countries like America who haven't outlawed them. In the UK most are outlawed apart from certain things and we have low gun crime. Higher gun crime tends to be in places where guns are legal.
 
dynastygal said:
Most illegal guns were legal at one time or another. Outlawing guns and the factories that make them will leave even less guns for criminals to get. That said, having them not outlawed just encourages and increases gun crime within the home and stuff like columbine. It's so easy to steal a gun or just use your own in those countries like America who haven't outlawed them. In the UK most are outlawed apart from certain things and we have low gun crime. Higher gun crime tends to be in places where guns are legal.

I can make a gun from a piece of wood, a piece of lead, and a rubber band--how you gonna outlaw that?
 
And you somehow think it's as lethal as a real gun? Don't be silly. That's a silly argument.
 
Anything can be as lethel as a gun. Cars for example. Shall we outlaw cars? And peanuts - people can choke on those, let's outlaw them too.
 
Well not all guns are meant to kill. Some people buy them for clay shooting, target shooting. Some buy them for a collection (eg, WWII weapons). Others buy them as an investment (guns rarely decline in value).



Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
 
No, guns were invented to kill an harm. Just because some people use them differently now doesn't meant the initial use is still obsolete.



And guns are a tool of killing. You don't say eyes see, not glasses, do you?



Guns do kill people because if you face a person with a gun, you're more than likely to face a more horrid end than someone with a knife or lesser weapon.



Here's a good gun info site: http://www.guninformation.org/



It covers all the common excuses touted by gun bearers or pro-gun people.
 
dynastygal said:
No, guns were invented to kill an harm. Just because some people use them differently now doesn't meant the initial use is still obsolete.
Guns--that is to say an object that used gunpowder to propel a projectile into the air, was originally used as a novelty item. They were not designed for 'killing' but designed to make elaborate fireworks displays. They weren't used as 'killing machines' until much later.



dynastygal said:
And guns are a tool of killing. You don't say eyes see, not glasses, do you?
No I don't. Because my eyes can see without the use of glasses--maybe not as well, but they do see without glasses. My gun can set on my nightstand for years and fall into rust flakes before it just decides to kill someone.



dynastygal said:
Guns do kill people because if you face a person with a gun, you're more than likely to face a more horrid end than someone with a knife or lesser weapon.
I can kill you with a baseball bat, bow and arrow, bayonet, knife, car or even a hammer--just because an item can be misused, there is no reason to blame the item. Recently there was a guy that killed his wife and child by smothering them--I didn't see a public outcry to outlaw pillows.



dynastygal said:
Here's a good gun info site: http://www.guninformation.org/



It covers all the common excuses touted by gun bearers or pro-gun people.



And if you'd like to take a look at a good site--try this one. http://www.gunshowonthenet.com/

It covers all the strawman arguments that the liberal left would use to take away our right to Keep and Bear Arms.
dynastygal said:
And you somehow think it's as lethal as a real gun? Don't be silly. That's a silly argument.

You'd be just as dead, so yeah--it's just as lethal.
 
Ok, lets break up your awful excuse for guns.



The point about the glasses was we could use the same excuse for glasses as guns and make using glasses obsolete.



We're not talking about gun powder. We're talking about guns, which were invented to kill and harm; particularly Christians at the time of making. So there goes the gun powder argument. Not to mention it was the Chinese using it for fireworks, not the Europeans.



A knife, a bow and arrow, etc are still less lethal than a gun. With a knife, bat etc, you have to be up close and personal, so there is a chance for the victim to fight back. With a gun you can kill someone without you even knowing you're there - i.e. sniper.



The so called 'right' that Americans harp on about is a farce. What would you have done before guns were invented? You'd be buggered because clearly you have to rely on a piece of machinery to kill and 'protect' you. Not to mention this so called right is why your gun crime is through the roof, particularly in homes and schools. Why do you think there is less gun crime in places where they are barely legal? Because it is much harder for your average psycho to obtain them let alone your average Nebulous blogs who wants revenge on his cheating wife or whatever.



Of course a piece of wood, lead and a elastic band isn't as lethal. You have to somehow make said lead as aerodynamic as a bullet, put it in the contraption then hope you don't get the back lash of it going wrong due to the band, then you gotta waste time reloading yet another 'bullet'. You'd be pinned to the ground before you even got fire the second or first shot to be honest.



Guns do more harm than good, there is no need for them.
 
You arguments don't have a lot of basis in reality, but that's ok, it's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

I won't debate this you anymore, and probably shouldn't have started in the first place. Enjoy your idyllic Utopia and I'll enjoy mine.
 
Ashton said:
Well not all guns are meant to kill. Some people buy them for clay shooting, target shooting. Some buy them for a collection (eg, WWII weapons). Others buy them as an investment (guns rarely decline in value).



Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

Well said. I agree. I think its rediculous for people to outlaw something just because it could hurt people. If they did that, they would outlaw EVERYTHING.
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dynastygal said:
You don't say eyes see, not glasses, do you?

I defy you to prove that glasses can see without a person behind them, the same way I defy you to prove that a gun can kill without a person behind it.
 
Princess said:
I defy you to prove that glasses can see without a person behind them, the same way I defy you to prove that a gun can kill without a person behind it.



Well that just changed my opinion..... Great post!
 
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