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Jordanian Pilot Burned Alive By ISIS

seasidemike said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
+freezy said:
i don't understand calling murderers "savages" yet not calling other murderers "savages", or am i missing something? :rolleyes:

When a Western country or those acting in the interests of a Western country does the same thing the killing of civilians is called 'collateral damage', not murder Freezy. Psh. Everyone knows that. :lol:

When an American troop decides to degrade an Iraqi POW, or rape his wife...Or any Westerner for that matter, we can defend that and should defend that. Even if our arguments make NO sense, in the grand scheme of things. :huh:  :huh:

Can you please stop questioning these things! Our small minds can't cope! Ahhhh.  :cry:
We need to believe the West is all good, and all innocent in all cases and at all times! *Heads in sand*

What ISIS did, will do and have done is deplorable. Unislamic and awful.
No questions. No excuses.
These barbarians are not from us! (The Muslim Ummah.)

With that said, we are forgetting this Jordanian pilot is not entirely innocent (as many of ISIS' past victims have been - Peter Kassig, Alan Henning, etc.) In working for the Jordanian army, children and civilians have died at his hand.

I know those bastard Americans stopping Saddam in the 90s from spreading terror and death across the middle east. And then those bastard Americans free Iraq and Afghanistan in the 2000s to create a democracy. Damn, stop the evil of giving freedom!

Seriously .. I wouldn't brag to much about the while Saddam thing... Things are a lot worse there now then before you guys decide to 'free' them.  Afghanistan .... Sure in fairness you did free them from the group that you trained and armed in the first place, so I will give you that one.

I am bragging our soldiers did a fantastic job giving them a country to create a democracy. Unfortunately we got a pussy president to do the long term job to keep it and a Iraqi people lacking the will to keep it until the barbarians were at the gates. But we gave it to them they just ruined the opportunity to do something with it.
 
seasidemike said:
identityissues8 said:
Perhaps not outwardly (and when it has been, excuses have always been made.)
That'd be bad PR.

Financially supporting a regime that does that and worse though is just as inexcusable. (And that's even after we forget about the brutal murders of many - most particularly Iraqi and Afghan men, women, and children over the least nearly 12 years, or the treatment of people without charge nor trial in Guantanamo, and many more human right's abuses.)

Though, that's neither here nor there right? Again, we can always be apologists for the Western world! The well intentioned, mostly white (don't lie, that seems to matter for some reason) Western world.

Neither side is innocent. Both sides are transgressors, aggressors and murderers of innocents.

I thank Allah (swt) for Islam, as it is, not as these people distort it to be - it's well documented to mean as little to ISIS as it does to the West. For without HIS (swt) Deen I'd have no place in this world. My mind would not be able to cope with the state of humanity.

and yet you choose to live with the comfort, protection and freedoms that the West has for you.
How many Iraqis were killed by Iranians?  How many Iranians killed by Iraqis?  How many Kurds killed in their own countries?  How many Shiites killed by Sunnis?  How many Sunnis killed by Shiites? How many Afghanis killed by Afghanis?   Killing their own women and children?  How many of Muslims killed by ISIS?  
yes the West is guilty of much, but not just the West but also the Eastern empires as well.
of which you and I both take benefit from in our own freedoms.

Did you even read my post?
I never denied the killing of anyone by anyone? All I said is that we should be holding everyone to the same standard before passing moral judgement.
This means admitting that Western brutality against is as deplorable as when the shoe is on the other foot.

You actually kind of unknowingly played to my hand here as well. You did exactly what I said people do.
You pointed out the problems of the East, and ignored the actions of the West.

The West is so good at simultaneously playing the 'Good Guy' and the 'Victim' that people like you love to forget that.

I am Australian by citizenship. I love Australia. I love my freedom to practise my religion, the safety, the security - and, at the moment, the future for my kids. Provided the bigots don't get their way.
I also have freedom of speech AND political expression, and if I see something wrong, damn right I'll exercise those freedoms. And I have, and will continue to.
Let's be fair and balanced here. Let's not look at this as 'inherently good' and 'inherently bad'. Bias is your worst enemy here, though, I guess it works for your undying patriotism no matter how atrocities and murder have been shoddily glossed over.

But again, let's not pretend all these conservatives who love to rattle on about freedom care about MY freedom.
If someone like TRUE LIBERTY and maybe even Webster had their way, I'd be stripped of all religious freedom. As freedom only matters for people who use it in the 'right way', right fellas? ;)
Webster said:
seasidemike said:
^^ as bad as the West might be, they don't do shit like this:

Beheaded, crucified, buried alive’: UN slams ISIS for killing Iraqi children:

http://rt.com/news/229391-isis-un-children-iraq/

*looks towards Mike, then over towards II8* He's got a point...as bad as the West can be at times, they don't hold a candle to what the savages have done over the past year or so. *adds deadpan* ...maybe we ought to have another Crusade, huh? :| :|
It holds more than a freaking candle, Webster.

Though, as always, you're not even going to pretend to be fair and balanced here.

On one hand you call people savages, and then on the other you suggest something as savage as a crusade.
What on Earth is wrong with you? Can you not even see the clear issues with this?
Such self-righteousness. Such blindness to the actions of those you support.

You've been played, Webster. Like a Violin.

See the issues on both sides. Think about them objectively.
You might understand someday.

TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
+freezy said:
i don't understand calling murderers "savages" yet not calling other murderers "savages", or am i missing something? :rolleyes:

When a Western country or those acting in the interests of a Western country does the same thing the killing of civilians is called 'collateral damage', not murder Freezy. Psh. Everyone knows that. :lol:

When an American troop decides to degrade an Iraqi POW, or rape his wife...Or any Westerner for that matter, we can defend that and should defend that. Even if our arguments make NO sense, in the grand scheme of things. :huh:  :huh:

Can you please stop questioning these things! Our small minds can't cope! Ahhhh.  :cry:
We need to believe the West is all good, and all innocent in all cases and at all times! *Heads in sand*

What ISIS did, will do and have done is deplorable. Unislamic and awful.
No questions. No excuses.
These barbarians are not from us! (The Muslim Ummah.)

With that said, we are forgetting this Jordanian pilot is not entirely innocent (as many of ISIS' past victims have been - Peter Kassig, Alan Henning, etc.) In working for the Jordanian army, children and civilians have died at his hand.

I know those bastard Americans stopping Saddam in the 90s from spreading terror and death across the middle east. And then those bastard Americans free Iraq and Afghanistan in the 2000s to create a democracy. Damn, stop the evil of giving freedom!

If millions of dead civilians in the name of democracy, among a people who had it forced on them (democratic rape, so to speak) is what you call freedom - don't bitch and moan if it ever happens in your homeland.
I don't support it. I don't wish it upon you. But your sheer lack of empathy and unwillingness to spare a thought for the consequences of your nations actions around the world, just shows your disregard for human life and lack of compassion as a person...In general.

You, and people like you are the problem.

I know you don't care. I know you'll think nothing of it. I know you'll probably never change.
Whatever.

Afghanistan was done begrudgingly. Your government needed to at least appear as though they actually gave two squirts of piss for the lives lost on 9/11. They didn't, LIBERTY. I'm sorry, I know this news may break your little heart.
They had their eyes on Iraq before they were even 'elected' (I know. Democracy right...A rigged election only 15 years ago. So worth fighting for.) and that was about money. Not freedom, not human rights, not democracy (an institution they disrespected and apparently do not even care for. About money. End.)
TRUE LIBERTY said:
seasidemike said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
+freezy said:
i don't understand calling murderers "savages" yet not calling other murderers "savages", or am i missing something? :rolleyes:

When a Western country or those acting in the interests of a Western country does the same thing the killing of civilians is called 'collateral damage', not murder Freezy. Psh. Everyone knows that. :lol:

When an American troop decides to degrade an Iraqi POW, or rape his wife...Or any Westerner for that matter, we can defend that and should defend that. Even if our arguments make NO sense, in the grand scheme of things. :huh:  :huh:

Can you please stop questioning these things! Our small minds can't cope! Ahhhh.  :cry:
We need to believe the West is all good, and all innocent in all cases and at all times! *Heads in sand*

What ISIS did, will do and have done is deplorable. Unislamic and awful.
No questions. No excuses.
These barbarians are not from us! (The Muslim Ummah.)

With that said, we are forgetting this Jordanian pilot is not entirely innocent (as many of ISIS' past victims have been - Peter Kassig, Alan Henning, etc.) In working for the Jordanian army, children and civilians have died at his hand.

I know those bastard Americans stopping Saddam in the 90s from spreading terror and death across the middle east. And then those bastard Americans free Iraq and Afghanistan in the 2000s to create a democracy. Damn, stop the evil of giving freedom!

Seriously .. I wouldn't brag to much about the while Saddam thing... Things are a lot worse there now then before you guys decide to 'free' them.  Afghanistan .... Sure in fairness you did free them from the group that you trained and armed in the first place, so I will give you that one.

I am bragging our soldiers did a fantastic job giving them a country to create a democracy. Unfortunately we got a pussy president to do the long term job to keep it and a Iraqi people lacking the will to keep it until the barbarians were at the gates. But we gave it to them they just ruined the opportunity to do something with it.

Oh God.
Bless your heart.
You really have no idea...

And Allah (swt) knows best.
 
identityissues8 said:
seasidemike said:
identityissues8 said:
Perhaps not outwardly (and when it has been, excuses have always been made.)
That'd be bad PR.

Financially supporting a regime that does that and worse though is just as inexcusable. (And that's even after we forget about the brutal murders of many - most particularly Iraqi and Afghan men, women, and children over the least nearly 12 years, or the treatment of people without charge nor trial in Guantanamo, and many more human right's abuses.)

Though, that's neither here nor there right? Again, we can always be apologists for the Western world! The well intentioned, mostly white (don't lie, that seems to matter for some reason) Western world.

Neither side is innocent. Both sides are transgressors, aggressors and murderers of innocents.

I thank Allah (swt) for Islam, as it is, not as these people distort it to be - it's well documented to mean as little to ISIS as it does to the West. For without HIS (swt) Deen I'd have no place in this world. My mind would not be able to cope with the state of humanity.

and yet you choose to live with the comfort, protection and freedoms that the West has for you.
How many Iraqis were killed by Iranians?  How many Iranians killed by Iraqis?  How many Kurds killed in their own countries?  How many Shiites killed by Sunnis?  How many Sunnis killed by Shiites? How many Afghanis killed by Afghanis?   Killing their own women and children?  How many of Muslims killed by ISIS?  
yes the West is guilty of much, but not just the West but also the Eastern empires as well.
of which you and I both take benefit from in our own freedoms.

Did you even read my post?
I never denied the killing of anyone by anyone? All I said is that we should be holding everyone to the same standard before passing moral judgement.
This means admitting that Western brutality against is as deplorable as when the shoe is on the other foot.

You actually kind of unknowingly played to my hand here as well. You did exactly what I said people do.
You pointed out the problems of the East, and ignored the actions of the West.

The West is so good at simultaneously playing the 'Good Guy' and the 'Victim' that people like you love to forget that.

I am Australian by citizenship. I love Australia. I love my freedom to practise my religion, the safety, the security - and, at the moment, the future for my kids. Provided the bigots don't get their way.
I also have freedom of speech AND political expression, and if I see something wrong, damn right I'll exercise those freedoms. And I have, and will continue to.
Let's be fair and balanced here. Let's not look at this as 'inherently good' and 'inherently bad'. Bias is your worst enemy here, though, I guess it works for your undying patriotism no matter how atrocities and murder have been shoddily glossed over.

But again, let's not pretend all these conservatives who love to rattle on about freedom care about MY freedom.
If someone like TRUE LIBERTY and maybe even Webster had their way, I'd be stripped of all religious freedom. As freedom only matters for people who use it in the 'right way', right fellas? ;)

Webster said:
seasidemike said:
^^ as bad as the West might be, they don't do shit like this:

Beheaded, crucified, buried alive’: UN slams ISIS for killing Iraqi children:

http://rt.com/news/229391-isis-un-children-iraq/

*looks towards Mike, then over towards II8* He's got a point...as bad as the West can be at times, they don't hold a candle to what the savages have done over the past year or so. *adds deadpan* ...maybe we ought to have another Crusade, huh? :| :|
It holds more than a freaking candle, Webster.

Though, as always, you're not even going to pretend to be fair and balanced here.

On one hand you call people savages, and then on the other you suggest something as savage as a crusade.
What on Earth is wrong with you? Can you not even see the clear issues with this?
Such self-righteousness. Such blindness to the actions of those you support.

You've been played, Webster. Like a Violin.

See the issues on both sides. Think about them objectively.
You might understand someday.

As if I care, II8...tell you what: when the Muslim world starts treating (in no specific order): ethnic minorities, LGBT individuals, children, religious minorities, women, not to mention Israel and the West in general with just a modicum of respect, I might begin to care....until then, my friend, not so much. :nono:
 
Right.
So apparently you believe in tarring a whole community of over 1,000,000,000 people with the same brush and wiping them out accordingly.

You might as well just post "I support an absolute genocide of Muslims globally" Webster.
You support a crusade against us (and still don't understand that this IS savagery apparently and will end in the disrespect to the lives of many innocent men, women and children who will be lost. Go figure? Yeah. Hypocrisy!) Why not go the whole hog?

In Islam we are to respect all of the aforementioned. All of!
In fact, the Prophet Muhammad's (salAllahu alayhi wasalaam) last sermon he specifically made a statement against racism.
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action."
We don't respect ethnic minorities? Within the Muslim community *I AM* an ethnic minority. Go to any Mosque at any prayer time and witness people of every shade praying shoulder to shoulder, toe to toe as we've been told to!

Children are our future. We clearly respect and exalt them.

Same too with women. You do realise in the time of the Prophet Muhammad (salAllahu alayhi wasalaam) women globally were second class. Property. Islam was *the original* feminist movement. Women were granted the right to work, the right to buy and own property, the right to stand trial as a witness - among many others.
Even today, Muslim women, under sharia basically OWN their husbands. This isn't a joke.

Culture may have over-written Islam in some areas/lives. But that's not what Islam is, that's what humanity has become as it strayed from Islam.

Like TRUE LIBERTY, you need to get off the hate sites and start doing some genuine research Webster.

As for Israel. Really. You STILL don't understand that one? Or are you just playing dumb?
 
And now I must disagree with Identity.

Not everybody under the general umbrella of Islam feels the same about those of other faiths.

And to deny that Al-Shabab or Boko Haram at least claim to be operating in the interests of Islam is to blind oneself just as has been claimed that the West has done to their own sins.
 
DrLeftover said:
And now I must disagree with Identity.

Not everybody under the general umbrella of Islam feels the same about those of other faiths.

And to deny that Al-Shabab or Boko Haram at least claim to be operating in the interests of Islam is to blind oneself just as has been claimed that the West has done to their own sins.

Actually no. It's inherently flawed.
Islam is from two sources and two sources only - The Qur'an and the Sunnah.
Groups like Boko Haram and Al-Shabab routinely and actively act against the Qur'an and Sunnah for political interests. Though, they do have as much as tendency to claim Islam as unfortunately in areas with lesser access to religious education people are likely to follow on if they hear such. :(

Using Islam =/= Acting in the interests of Islam =/= Following Islam.

As for not everyone under the 'umbrella of Islam' agreeing on those of other faiths.
Sure. This is true. But Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) has been very clear on meeting invitations to other faiths, or suggested compromise in ours with respect - not brutality.

I refer you to Surah Al-Kafirun
"Say: "Oh, you who disbelieve! "I do not worship that which you worship, nor do you worship that which I worship. Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping, neither will you worship that which I worship. To you your religion and to me mine.""
 
We already are, and have been since the beginning of such problems.
It's beyond difficult when people are not faith motivated and simply will not respond - or have been lured in by such groups (I've seen this, with ISIS), and the media won't give us a voice (and that we're forever told we're 'inactive')
 
Perhaps this is the reason why people have a problem with Islam?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Perhaps this is also the justification people have when they do things like the above article speaks of?
 
Trusting an overtly anti-Islamic hate site like 'The Religion Of Peace' (which anyone with even an iota of Islamic knowledge will tell you posts utter lies) is probably about the point all credibility is lost.

Please, people. Learn Islam from the source!
 
people from the west are ignorant on why so many middle eastern people hate the west, it's because the west killed so many of them in the past... as well as destroyed their homes, towns, villages, cities and countries...

britain is not innocent for killing so many women and children...

america is not innocent for killing so many women and children...

it doesn't matter how one kills the other, killing is killing...

the west comes in and kills for money, oil and other material that's worth money, yet you people expect them to not fight back? you guys expect them to not be pissed off at america when they lied and only went into iraq to gain, not make a country a democracy nor free anyone, you're too gullible to believe in that nonsense...

it's just like telling america not to be mad after the japanese attacked pearl harbor...

but in the case of the middle east, the western civilization have been constantly killing them over a period of centuries... yet the middle eastern people are the *only* "savages" because you ignore what the west does and only focus on the bad that the middle east does because of your media throws it in your face for the purpose of trying to make everyone go against islam/muslims, like the jews want the world to do...

now, here comes the hate... let it flow out young ignorant ones...
 
identityissues8 said:
seasidemike said:
identityissues8 said:
But again, let's not pretend all these conservatives who love to rattle on about freedom care about MY freedom.
If someone like TRUE LIBERTY and maybe even Webster had their way, I'd be stripped of all religious freedom. As freedom only matters for people who use it in the 'right way', right fellas? ;)

I can't speak for Webster but everything you wrote is untrue. I would defend your right to practice just like I would the crazy westboro baptist church members and all the insane non violent crap they pull. Not saying you are anything like that but just making a point. I would be out there in the streets protesting for your rights even if I whole heartedly disagree with everything your religion stands for.

If millions of dead civilians in the name of democracy, among a people who had it forced on them (democratic rape, so to speak) is what you call freedom - don't bitch and moan if it ever happens in your homeland.
I don't support it. I don't wish it upon you. But your sheer lack of empathy and unwillingness to spare a thought for the consequences of your nations actions around the world, just shows your disregard for human life and lack of compassion as a person...In general.

You, and people like you are the problem.

I know you don't care. I know you'll think nothing of it. I know you'll probably never change.
Whatever.


Many Iraqi people completely disagree with your entire wrong assessment.


10 years later, Iraqi Americans feel gratitude, regret

"I want America to kill Saddam," Sada Al-Jebury of Dearborn said on the night of March 19, 2003, as he watched the explosions in the Iraqi capital on an Arabic-language TV channel.

A decade later, the mood at the Karbalaa Islamic Education Center -- named after a city in Iraq -- is more somber as Iraqi Americans see their native land ravaged by violence and division.

"We thank the almighty God for the removal of Saddam and the liberation of Iraq," the center's leader, Imam Husham Al-Husainy, said in a sermon Friday to his congregation of Iraqi-American Shiites. "A world without Saddam is much better. Iraq without Saddam is much safer. We thank everyone who helped us to get rid of this dictator."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zmjq9bCbcNw







Afghanistan was done begrudgingly. Your government needed to at least appear as though they actually gave two squirts of piss for the lives lost on 9/11. They didn't, LIBERTY. I'm sorry, I know this news may break your little heart.


That would make things so simple for you wouldn't it. LOL!


They had their eyes on Iraq before they were even 'elected' (I know. Democracy right...A rigged election only 15 years ago. So worth fighting for.) and that was about money. Not freedom, not human rights, not democracy (an institution they disrespected and apparently do not even care for. About money. End.)


When a Western country or those acting in the interests of a Western country does the same thing the killing of civilians is called 'collateral damage', not murder Freezy. Psh. Everyone knows that. :lol:


With that kind of silly talk Europe would have been one big crap hole and America would have just watched Germany roll over the world. Freedom always has a cost.


When an American troop decides to degrade an Iraqi POW, or rape his wife...Or any Westerner for that matter, we can defend that and should defend that. Even if our arguments make NO sense, in the grand scheme of things. :huh:  :huh:


Yes because that is how all American troops act like. No wait! Not even close.


Oh God.
Bless your heart.
You really have no idea...

And Allah (swt) knows best.



I am afraid I do have a very good and complete picture of the idea.
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Evil bastards! LOL!


The U.S. has spent more reconstructing Iraq and Afghanistan than it did rebuilding Germany after World War II.


The United States has invested more reconstructing Iraq and Afghanistan than it did rebuilding Germany after World War II. $60.45 billion has been spent in Iraq, more than $100 billion in Afghanistan. For comparison, the U.S. spent less than $35 billion in today’s dollars in Germany from 1946 through 1952. (And Volkswagen began exporting Beetles to American in 1949).
The Iraq expenditure is more than four times the sum committed to Iraq by America’s allies. In Afghanistan stabilization is expected to cost at least $9 billion per year through 2014.
These are reconstruction costs only; the total cost to the U.S. of the Iraq and Afghan conflicts exceeds $1.4 trillion.
We have a slide show for you with more details. Take a look, then consider this question in our discussion thread: are you surprised by these reconstruction costs? What do you expect this spending to achieve?
Sources:
Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction: "July 2012 : Quarterly Report and Semiannual Report To Congress"
Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction: "Quarterly Report to the UnIted States Congress"
Congressional Budget Office: "Iraq and Afghanistan"
http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/us-spends-more-rebuilding-iraq-afghanistan-than-post-wwii-germany
 
@freezy, and 'let it flow' TRUE LIBERTY has.
Is it me, or are his 'source links' getting less and less credible? :/
 
This is what is true..
At a bigger level there is nothing more than those at the very top want other than everyone fighting over what is perceived as right and wrong and moral high grounds. It is all very profitable.

The one thing that no matter who's side you agree with that no can deny, is that no matter how poor a country is, how radical a radical group is, or how evil some country may or may not be...

they all have plenty of weapons to kill each other with.

hate and anger is a great thing, nothing closes contracts faster and sell more weapons and technology than hate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/arms-sales-by-the-us-and-russia-2014-8

so keep on fighting..
Nato Summit 2014: Arms Industry to Profit From More Aggressive Stance
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nato-summit-2014-arms-industry-profit-more-aggressive-stance-1464019
 
seasidemike said:
This is what is true..
At a bigger level there is nothing more than those at the very top want other than everyone fighting over what is perceived as right and wrong and moral high grounds.  It is all very profitable.

The one thing that no matter who's side you agree with that no can deny, is that no matter how poor a country is, how radical a radical group is, or how evil some country may or may not be...

they all have plenty of weapons to kill each other with.

hate and anger is a great thing, nothing closes contracts faster and sell more weapons and technology than hate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/arms-sales-by-the-us-and-russia-2014-8

so keep on fighting..
Nato Summit 2014: Arms Industry to Profit From More Aggressive Stance
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nato-summit-2014-arms-industry-profit-more-aggressive-stance-1464019

So what is your solution stop making weapons and hope people will just leave others alone. If so good luck with that one.
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
seasidemike said:
This is what is true..
At a bigger level there is nothing more than those at the very top want other than everyone fighting over what is perceived as right and wrong and moral high grounds.  It is all very profitable.

The one thing that no matter who's side you agree with that no can deny, is that no matter how poor a country is, how radical a radical group is, or how evil some country may or may not be...

they all have plenty of weapons to kill each other with.

hate and anger is a great thing, nothing closes contracts faster and sell more weapons and technology than hate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/arms-sales-by-the-us-and-russia-2014-8

so keep on fighting..
Nato Summit 2014: Arms Industry to Profit From More Aggressive Stance
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nato-summit-2014-arms-industry-profit-more-aggressive-stance-1464019

So what is your solution stop making weapons and hope people will just leave others alone. If so good luck with that one.

Maybe not, but be at least aware that there are some out there who encourage, support and profit from hate, so that I can at least try to be aware when I being manipulate so I can try to make my opinions objectively as possible.
 
the shadow elite owns everything that's worth owning in this world...

it's easy for them to manipulate the masses into thinking one way or the other...

it's a fact, as well, that governments and agencies use black ops and false flags to manipulate the masses into thinking something or to back up a cause or a action... this is not a conspiracy, it's facts, it's documented, yet people still are too ignorant and deny the truth of such things...
 
seasidemike said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
seasidemike said:
This is what is true..
At a bigger level there is nothing more than those at the very top want other than everyone fighting over what is perceived as right and wrong and moral high grounds.  It is all very profitable.

The one thing that no matter who's side you agree with that no can deny, is that no matter how poor a country is, how radical a radical group is, or how evil some country may or may not be...

they all have plenty of weapons to kill each other with.

hate and anger is a great thing, nothing closes contracts faster and sell more weapons and technology than hate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/arms-sales-by-the-us-and-russia-2014-8

so keep on fighting..
Nato Summit 2014: Arms Industry to Profit From More Aggressive Stance
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nato-summit-2014-arms-industry-profit-more-aggressive-stance-1464019

So what is your solution stop making weapons and hope people will just leave others alone. If so good luck with that one.

Maybe not, but be at least aware that there are some out there who encourage, support and profit from hate, so that I can at least try to be aware when I being manipulate so I can try to make my opinions objectively as possible.

Good answer.
 
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