Palestinians To Join International Criminal Court

[Webster]

...and here's another reason the U.S. should withdraw from the ICC (and other international institutions):

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Stung by a resounding defeat in the U.N. Security Council, the Palestinians announced Wednesday that they joined the International Criminal Court to pursue war crimes charges against Israel.

The move by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas set the stage for a diplomatic showdown with the United States and drew an angry response from Israel. "The one who needs to fear the International Criminal Court in the Hague is the Palestinian Authority, which has a unity government with Hamas, a terror organization like (the Islamic State group) which commits war crimes," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement. Netanyahu called Israel's soldiers "the most moral army in the world" and said the country would take unspecified "retaliatory steps."

U.S. State Department spokesman Edgar Vasquez said America strongly opposed the move and warned it would be "counter-productive and do nothing to further the aspirations of the Palestinian people for a sovereign and independent state." "It will badly damage the atmosphere with the very people with whom they ultimately need to make peace," Vasquez said in a statement.

Abbas has been under heavy domestic pressure to take action against Israel following months of tensions fueled by the collapse of U.S.-brokered peace talks, a 50-day war between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza, a spate of deadly Palestinian attacks on Israeli targets and Israeli restrictions on Palestinian access to a key Muslim holy site in Jerusalem. Tuesday's defeat in the U.N. Security Council further raised pressure on Abbas to act.

"We want to complain. There's aggression against us, against our land. The Security Council disappointed us," Abbas said as he gathered a meeting of the Palestinian leadership in the West Bank.

Abbas had threatened to join the international court if Tuesday's Security Council resolution failed. The Palestinians had asked the council to set a three-year deadline for Israel to withdraw from all occupied lands claimed by the Palestinians.

After two decades of failed, on-again, off-again peace talks, the Palestinians have grown disillusioned and decided to seek international recognition of their independence in the absence in various global bodies. While the campaign does not change the situation on the ground, the Palestinians believe the strong international support will put pressure on Israel to allow the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem.

Israel, which captured the three areas in 1967, says Palestinian independence can only be reached through negotiations. It opposes the Palestinian diplomatic campaign as an attempt to bypass negotiations.

The Palestinian campaign scored a major victory in 2012 when Palestine was admitted to the U.N. General Assembly as a nonmember observer state. This upgraded status gave the Palestinians the authority to join dozens of international treaties and agencies.

Still, turning to the International Criminal Court marks a major policy shift by transforming Abbas' relations with Israel from tense to openly hostile. Abbas has been threatening to join the court since 2012, but held off under American and Israeli pressure. The Palestinians can use the court to challenge the legality of Israeli settlement construction on occupied lands and to pursue war crimes charges connected to military activity. (Huffington Post)

....thoughts?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Israel just needs to tell them all to pound salt.

 

[+paradox]

israel needs to pound salt and get out of their land...

notice how it says PALESTINE!

 

[Webster]

...let's go further back in time, shall we?

...ahh, yes, the ancient lands of Judea & Samaria, which were home for centuries & centuries to....the ancient Israelites, or as we know them, the Jews. Judging by the locations on that map, that is what ancient Israel looked like in the time of the Roman Empire...which means Israel - the modern State of Israel, that is - has a more solid claim to the land of their forebears than do the Palestinians....quoting:

Where did the name Palestine come from?

The name Palestine is given to the region spreading from eastern Mediterranean coast to the Jordan Valley to the area covering Galilee Lake in the north and southern Negev Desert. The origin of this word lies in “Plesheth”. This is a name appearing frequently in the Bible and have started being known as “Philistine” in English. The world root of “Plesheth” lies in the word “palah” was is a term used generally in the sense of migratory, referring to the Palestinian’s conquest of the coast of Mediterranean. These people were mostly originates of Asia Minor and Greece and gradually became a part of the Arab world.

The Philistines entered in this region not all at one time but in different eras. The first group reached here in the pre-patriarchal period and made a settlement in Gerar, south of Beersheba. The second group arrived from Crete and settled in the southern coastal area where it divided made different settlements into Gat, Ekron, Ashdod, Ascalon and Gaza. These districts were occupied by the foreign settlers coming mostly from the Mediterranean islands.

In the fifth century BC, the region of eastern coast of the Mediterranean started being called as “the Philistine Syria”, a term coined by the Greek historian, Herodotus and used in its Greek language form. In AD 135, the Emperor Hadrian blotted out the name “Provincia Judea” and renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”. This was the Latin version of the Greek name and soon became a name to be used as an administrative unit. This name was shortened to Palaestina and the name “Palestine” was derived from it as a modern and anglicized version.

No changes occurred to this name until after the fourth century had passed when Palestine was divided in to three regions, following the imperial reorganization. The name Palestine was used by the Christian Crusades to regard all three of the divided regions in general and continued to be used for the regions on both sides of the Jordan River in general. Palestine went under the rule of the Ottoman Turks for 400 years where its administration was attached to Damascus. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, the name Palestine was revived and was applied to the land falling under the British Mandate for Palestine. Arabs use the name “Falastin” for Palestine which is an Arab pronunciation of the Roman word “Palaestina.” (Palestine Facts: Origin Of The Name Palestine)

In other words, Justice, my good friend, the word Palestine was first given to the region, not the people in specific...the modern usage of the word Palestine dates from the time of Ottoman Empire, but in reality the land is Israel's and frankly, God help any country that tries to knock them off their perch.

 

[+paradox]

before the u.s./u.n. created israel for the zionist jews, it was called palestine...

even on the maps...

the u.n. illegally created israel for the zionist jews and then the zionist jew generals started their onslaught attacks against palestine, egypt and syria as well as an american war intelligence ship...

fact; the palestine is older than israel...

which means palestine came first...

 

[identityissues8]

I have nothing to add, as Justice has said it all.
Palestine has the right to be a sovereign nation once again, and live in peace once again.

 

[Webster]

which means palestine came first...

I have nothing to add, as Justice has said it all.
Palestine has the right to be a sovereign nation once again, and live in peace once again.

There's a simple way for the Palestinians to get what they want: recognize Israel's right to exist.
Until then, they - and the broader Arab street - can all go pound sand.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

...let's go further back in time, shall we?

...ahh, yes, the ancient lands of Judea & Samaria, which were home for centuries & centuries to....the ancient Israelites, or as we know them, the Jews. Judging by the locations on that map, that is what ancient Israel looked like in the time of the Roman Empire...which means Israel - the modern State of Israel, that is - has a more solid claim to the land of their forebears than do the Palestinians....quoting:

Where did the name Palestine come from?

The name Palestine is given to the region spreading from eastern Mediterranean coast to the Jordan Valley to the area covering Galilee Lake in the north and southern Negev Desert. The origin of this word lies in “Plesheth”.  This is a name appearing frequently in the Bible and have started being known as “Philistine” in English. The world root of “Plesheth” lies in the word “palah” was is a term used generally in the sense of migratory, referring to the Palestinian’s conquest of the coast of Mediterranean. These people were mostly originates of Asia Minor and Greece and gradually became a part of the Arab world.

The Philistines entered in this region not all at one time but in different eras. The first group reached here in the pre-patriarchal period and made a settlement in Gerar, south of Beersheba. The second group arrived from Crete and settled in the southern coastal area where it divided made different settlements into Gat, Ekron, Ashdod, Ascalon and Gaza. These districts were occupied by the foreign settlers coming mostly from the Mediterranean islands.

In the fifth century BC, the region of eastern coast of the Mediterranean started being called as “the Philistine Syria”, a term coined by the Greek historian, Herodotus and used in its Greek language form. In AD 135, the Emperor Hadrian blotted out the name “Provincia Judea” and renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”. This was the Latin version of the Greek name and soon became a name to be used as an administrative unit. This name was shortened to Palaestina and the name “Palestine” was derived from it as a modern and anglicized version.

No changes occurred to this name until after the fourth century had passed when Palestine was divided in to three regions, following the imperial reorganization. The name Palestine was used by the Christian Crusades to regard all three of the divided regions in general and continued to be used for the regions on both sides of the Jordan River in general. Palestine went under the rule of the Ottoman Turks for 400 years where its administration was attached to Damascus. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, the name Palestine was revived and was applied to the land falling under the British Mandate for Palestine. Arabs use the name “Falastin” for Palestine which is an Arab pronunciation of the Roman word “Palaestina.” (Palestine Facts: Origin Of The Name Palestine)

In other words, Justice, my good friend, the word Palestine was first given to the region, not the people in specific...the modern usage of the word Palestine dates from the time of Ottoman Empire, but in reality the land is Israel's and frankly, God help any country that tries to knock them off their perch.

You beat me to this. So pound salt, hit the road, etc. is the proper response. Israel may never say those words but they are never going to give up any of that land unless they can put millions of Jews in body bags. I am sure that is what they would like but that is not going to happen either.

 

[identityissues8]

So you guys choose to reject historical fact, just to hold onto your views.
Really shows how valid said views are.

Did Israel not come in and drive people off of their land?
Has Israel not committed mass murder to do so?

The Palestinians are not out to kill the Israeli people.
The Palestinians are out to protect their family and property.
Just as you guys would do (and rightly so) if I was, for instance, out of seemingly nowhere step foot on US soil along with other Australians and start claiming it as our own.

 

[+paradox]

ever heard of whoever wins creates history in their views and eyes, and at times, lies...

 

[Webster]

ever heard of whoever wins creates history in their views and eyes, and at times, lies...

He's got the former part right....on the other hand, I don't recall Israel hiding behind civilians and firing into PA territory or committing terrorist acts against the PA outside of the Middle East (like, for instance, the Cultural Ctr. bombing in South America years ago or the Munich Massacre back in 1972), etc.,etc...

Personally, I wish Israel would just take the damned gloves off in regards to the PA - and the rest of the Middle East for that matter - and do what it needs to do to protect itself, period, end of story...and if the rest of the world doesn't like it, TOUGH!

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

So you guys choose to reject historical fact, just to hold onto your views.
Really shows how valid said views are.

Did Israel not come in and drive people off of their land?

Israel has just as much of a claim to that land as anyone else who has and had been living in that region for thousands of years. And when the Israel people moved into that area long before it became a country no one was living in that area. Others moved into the region after the innovative Jews did something with the land. And that is when some of the more radical Muslims could not except this.

Has Israel not committed mass murder to do so?

No. They committed mass murder every time other countries tried to come in and wipe them out. And after wars did losers did not keep to there surrender promise and give some land for all the refuggees left behind that are now called Palestinians.  

The Palestinians are not out to kill the Israeli people.

Thousands of rockets dumped into Israel says otherwise. And the Palestinians keep allowing the worst of the worst terrorists stay in there territories which is the number one reason there can be no peace.

The Palestinians are out to protect their family and property.

No terrorists on their property and land and peace would happen today.

Just as you guys would do (and rightly so) if I was, for instance, out of seemingly nowhere step foot on US soil along with other Australians and start claiming it as our own.

Except it is not remotely the same thing.

 

[+paradox]

see, people still have this myth that people weren't in palestine before, during and after the jews came into the world recognized country of palestine and stole their land like the americans did to the natives...

but people don't like or understand facts, truth and true history when it conflicts with their personal beliefs and views...

 

[Webster]

see, people still have this myth that people weren't in palestine before, during and after the jews came into the world recognized country of palestine and stole their land like the americans did to the natives...

but people don't like or understand facts, truth and true history when it conflicts with their personal beliefs and views...

No one's saying there weren't people there in the past; all we're saying is that, historically speaking, the jews have a far stronger claim to the region than do the palestinians. Besides, possession is, to borrow the saying, "9/10ths of the law" and Israel currently possess the land, so good luck gettin' rid of them!

 

[+paradox]

see, people still have this myth that people weren't in palestine before, during and after the jews came into the world recognized country of palestine and stole their land like the americans did to the natives...

but people don't like or understand facts, truth and true history when it conflicts with their personal beliefs and views...

No one's saying there weren't people there in the past; all we're saying is that, historically speaking, the jews have a far stronger claim to the region than do the palestinians. Besides, possession is, to borrow the saying, "9/10ths of the law" and Israel currently possess the land, so good luck gettin' rid of them!

no it doesn't, possession of something has nothing to do with ownership...

palestine was a country, israel wasn't, until it was illegally created by the frauds at the u.n. w/ usa and other countries and groups of people...

the term "possession is 9/10 of the law." is just an ancient rule that has no merit on ownership whatsoever... that rule or "law" is basically barbaric... no civilized country would have such a law...

 

[Webster]

see, people still have this myth that people weren't in palestine before, during and after the jews came into the world recognized country of palestine and stole their land like the americans did to the natives...

but people don't like or understand facts, truth and true history when it conflicts with their personal beliefs and views...

No one's saying there weren't people there in the past; all we're saying is that, historically speaking, the jews have a far stronger claim to the region than do the palestinians. Besides, possession is, to borrow the saying, "9/10ths of the law" and Israel currently possess the land, so good luck gettin' rid of them!

no it doesn't, possession of something has nothing to do with ownership...

palestine was a country, israel wasn't, until it was illegally created by the frauds at the u.n. w/ usa and other countries and groups of people...

the term "possession is 9/10 of the law." is just an ancient rule that has no merit on ownership whatsoever... that rule or "law" is basically barbaric... no civilized country would have such a law...

*scratches head in thought* You know, you're right, Justice, absolutely fricken' right....
....but good luck gettin' rid of them, though!

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

see, people still have this myth that people weren't in palestine before, during and after the jews came into the world recognized country of palestine and stole their land like the americans did to the natives...

but people don't like or understand facts, truth and true history when it conflicts with their personal beliefs and views...

No one's saying there weren't people there in the past; all we're saying is that, historically speaking, the jews have a far stronger claim to the region than do the palestinians. Besides, possession is, to borrow the saying, "9/10ths of the law" and Israel currently possess the land, so good luck gettin' rid of them!

I am saying it. A lot of that area and I am not talking about the holy areas the Jews began settling in before it became a country was harsh empty land they made something out of no matter who will try to tell you opposite. Now the Holy areas they kicked ass in the war they did not start and won them and no way in hell should they give it back. Specially since some of these areas are high elevations that leave Israel vulnerable to further attack.

There is so many thousands of years of back and forth on who had what and when during this and that war that both can lay claim in some point in history. All that matters is Israel is the baddest mothers on the block at this time and I am for one very happy that the only democracy in that area is there and in control.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

This is good news.

Major 11th Hour Victory for Israel at the UN

The United Nations has rejected a resolution that could have crippled Israel, imposing on it indefensible borders and forcing hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens from their homes.

The resolution was yet another attempt by the terrorist-led Palestinian Authority to circumvent U.N. resolutions and peace agreements and leave Israel dangerously vulnerable to further terrorist attacks.

Its defeat is a major victory for Israel and its citizens’ security.

We’ve been raising the alarm about this dangerous resolution over the past few weeks. The Obama Administration was on the verge of abandoning our ally Israel, making noncommittal statements about its intentions to vote on the resolution.

The U.S. typically avoids contentious votes on such outlandish resolutions strongly declaring its opposition, often avoiding a vote at all. The Obama Administration’s confusing and tentative at best statements about this resolution sent a dangerous signal to the rest of the world that America may be willing to abandon its ally Israel.

More than 72,000 Americans signed our petition demanding the Obama Administration veto this treacherous U.N. resolution.

We are pleased to report that the U.S. has vetoed the measure.

READ THE REST HERE
http://aclj.org/israel/major-11th-hour-victory-for-israel-at-un

 

[+paradox]

see, people still have this myth that people weren't in palestine before, during and after the jews came into the world recognized country of palestine and stole their land like the americans did to the natives...

but people don't like or understand facts, truth and true history when it conflicts with their personal beliefs and views...

No one's saying there weren't people there in the past; all we're saying is that, historically speaking, the jews have a far stronger claim to the region than do the palestinians. Besides, possession is, to borrow the saying, "9/10ths of the law" and Israel currently possess the land, so good luck gettin' rid of them!

no it doesn't, possession of something has nothing to do with ownership...

palestine was a country, israel wasn't, until it was illegally created by the frauds at the u.n. w/ usa and  other countries and groups of people...

the term "possession is 9/10 of the law." is just an ancient rule that has no merit on ownership whatsoever... that rule or "law" is basically barbaric... no civilized country would have such a law...

*scratches head in thought* You know, you're right, Justice, absolutely fricken' right....
....but good luck gettin' rid of them, though!

it's all good, i'm sure you wont mind going into your house, removing you from said house and claiming that said house mine... i'm sure it'll hold up in court...

 

[+paradox]

see, people still have this myth that people weren't in palestine before, during and after the jews came into the world recognized country of palestine and stole their land like the americans did to the natives...

but people don't like or understand facts, truth and true history when it conflicts with their personal beliefs and views...

No one's saying there weren't people there in the past; all we're saying is that, historically speaking, the jews have a far stronger claim to the region than do the palestinians. Besides, possession is, to borrow the saying, "9/10ths of the law" and Israel currently possess the land, so good luck gettin' rid of them!

I am saying it. A lot of that area and I am not talking about the holy areas the Jews began settling in before it became a country was harsh empty land they made something out of no matter who will try to tell you opposite. Now the Holy areas they kicked ass in the war they did not start and won them and no way in hell should they give it back. Specially since some of these areas are high elevations that leave Israel vulnerable to further attack.

There is so many thousands of years of back and forth on who had what and when during this and that war that both can lay claim in some point in history. All that matters is Israel is the baddest mothers on the block at this time and I am for one very happy that the only democracy in that area is there and in control.

israel did not get attacked by egypt, syria and america, it was the total opposite!

israel first attacked egypt FIRST and TOOK a lot of egypt's land by FORCE on the south border... while ATTACKING an american spy warship in the gulf when it was clearly marked USA... then israel proceeded to attack syria from the north east and TOOK some of their land...

egypt struggled but went to war with israel and destroyed the israeli air force and tank brigade and took control of their land... while in the northeast, syria fought back and also took back their land from the attacking israel... israel was so crushed that they desperately needed the united state's help, so they got it... if it weren't for israel attacking three countries in the same day and creating/starting two wars with two countries, none of that would have happened... if it weren't for the united states of america, israel would have been destroyed in the wars that they created... if it wasn't for the u.n. and others illegally taking people's land and creating a whole new country with out the consent of the country and the people that were there already then that area would be more peaceful... if it wasn't for israel and america to call upon when they need help and to clean up their messes, the middle east wouldn't be as bad as it is now...

the fallacy story you talk of are simply a lie and fairy-tale...

people like to forget that palestine was a country...