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Torture
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I don't think torture is an acceptable form of extracting information from people under any circumstances. To inflict severe physical pain on anyone, IMO, is inhumane and there is no scientific proof that it's even effective. Terrorists, for example, would die first before providing any information.
A more humane method of extracting information is to lock a person in a room and make them listen to Justin Bieber.
A more humane method of extracting information is to lock a person in a room and make them listen to Justin Bieber.
Torture is most likely ineffective since the person torturing the other person probably already has a pre conceived notion as to what the truth is and will not stop till the person being tortured gives them the info they want to hear even if it's bogus. It's also inhumane which is another reason why it shouldn't be done.
It's also been demonstrated that the information so recovered is unreliable so that torture usually isn't used as the sole source of intelligence gathering.
Jazzy said:I don't think torture is an acceptable form of extracting information from people under any circumstances. To inflict severe physical pain on anyone, IMO, is inhumane and there is no scientific proof that it's even effective. Terrorists, for example, would die first before providing any information.
A more humane method of extracting information is to lock a person in a room and make them listen to Justin Bieber.
Humane? Seriously? That's the worst form of torture to this date I've ever heard of. You have a cruel and sick mind Jazzy, I couldn't imagine being in a room listening to Justin Bieber for more than a few seconds.
I would strongly worry about the possible miss-use once we walk down that path. It seems anytime Government is given more power, they give everyone just enough time to accept & get use to the idea... Then cross yet another line....And another...
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There ISN'T a circumstance that can justify torture of any kind !
Jazzy said:I don't think torture is an acceptable form of extracting information from people under any circumstances. To inflict severe physical pain on anyone, IMO, is inhumane and there is no scientific proof that it's even effective. Terrorists, for example, would die first before providing any information.
A more humane method of extracting information is to lock a person in a room and make them listen to Justin Bieber.
I REALLY like your thinking lol.
There is a far worse method of torture than Justin Beiber.
At least to anyone over 40.
Make them listen to the Barney Song.
And if you combine the two, they'll probably beg for immediate execution.
At least to anyone over 40.
Make them listen to the Barney Song.
And if you combine the two, they'll probably beg for immediate execution.
Torture isn't reliable because people have breaking point, that if hit, they will say anything that the torturous would want them to say, even if it wasn't true. Therefore they would be admitting they committed crimes they never did, just too get out of the pain they were suffering.
@On the topic of Justin Bieber. If you are strong willed, just imagine it's a girl singing and suddenly it won't sound so bad.
@On the topic of Justin Bieber. If you are strong willed, just imagine it's a girl singing and suddenly it won't sound so bad.
I don't generally think torture is effective, nor warranted - but 'torture' is a pretty open-ended word. Severe distress, that might not be harmful permanently to health...is that torture? The word torture tends to evoke either medieval dungeons, or Jack Bauer...
Does shooting someone in the foot, leg, arm, or wherever that isn't lethal, but causes pain, increase interrogative effectiveness? No, I don't think so. Then again, I've never tortured (unless you consider a whiny girlfriend that wants to go shopping or see Twilight and not getting it right away as someone being tortured) anyone, nor have I been tortured. So I'm not sure I'm really qualified to pass judgment.
However, not torturing someone, doesn't necessarily have to amount to being nice...and going 'Bieber' on someone in a cold, dark cell...isn't really going to harm someone's livelihood. Messing with someone's mind perhaps really isn't torture either - if you make a Taliban weapons supply officer think his family has been taken by a paramilitary (non-official) nationalist militia and they will rape and torture them, unless the Taliban agent offers some info (so U.S. SOCOM can stage a 'rescue' op.), that's kind of straddling a thin line.
Drawing a line between coercion and torture and whether either/or is acceptable as a means to an end is a tough one, and defining them is tough, too. One can easily spill over into another without proper oversights...
The accepted practice is to offer incentives for co-operation, much like how domestic criminal prosecution ops go. Find the little guys to help take down the bigger guy...but with an enemy that doesn't necessarily desire anything from you, or an enemy that has nothing to lose, things can get more complicated in terms of what is effective, and what would be required to succeed in a given pursuit.
Does shooting someone in the foot, leg, arm, or wherever that isn't lethal, but causes pain, increase interrogative effectiveness? No, I don't think so. Then again, I've never tortured (unless you consider a whiny girlfriend that wants to go shopping or see Twilight and not getting it right away as someone being tortured) anyone, nor have I been tortured. So I'm not sure I'm really qualified to pass judgment.
However, not torturing someone, doesn't necessarily have to amount to being nice...and going 'Bieber' on someone in a cold, dark cell...isn't really going to harm someone's livelihood. Messing with someone's mind perhaps really isn't torture either - if you make a Taliban weapons supply officer think his family has been taken by a paramilitary (non-official) nationalist militia and they will rape and torture them, unless the Taliban agent offers some info (so U.S. SOCOM can stage a 'rescue' op.), that's kind of straddling a thin line.
Drawing a line between coercion and torture and whether either/or is acceptable as a means to an end is a tough one, and defining them is tough, too. One can easily spill over into another without proper oversights...
The accepted practice is to offer incentives for co-operation, much like how domestic criminal prosecution ops go. Find the little guys to help take down the bigger guy...but with an enemy that doesn't necessarily desire anything from you, or an enemy that has nothing to lose, things can get more complicated in terms of what is effective, and what would be required to succeed in a given pursuit.
