UN: LGBTQ Equality In America "Not Within Reach"

[Webster]

I wouldn't be surprised if one of them started arguing that women shouldn't go to university because learning science makes them infertile.

Don't tempt them, Scarlet; there's a lot of Americans who'd like things to go back that way.

 

[Scarlet Rose]

Don't tempt them, Scarlet; there's a lot of Americans who'd like things to go back that way.

I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry at that. It certainly is within the realm of possibility given how freely they have been drawing from outdated and disproven arguments and frameworks. I have read articles from the 1980s decrying how frustrating it is that they continue to go back to the same old tired biological reductionist essentialism and here we are almost forty years later and the same is going on. I am pretty confident that some of my texts from the 50s are likewise discouraged by how old arguments keep re-emerging. Although if memory serves me correctly these texts are more concerned with racism than sexism per se. The same principle still applies though.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

It is incredibly discouraging and disheartening to see this trends playing out.

Children being drugged up and surgically altered instead of getting professional mental help, yes it is!

Firstly, and most importantly because of the all to real cost they have on people's lives.

Yes these children are ruined for life if they decide that they may have made a mistake when your a adult and can make more rational decisions.

We had not even reached a point of parity, yet we are finding the gains which had been made are getting rolled back.

Nothing is being rolled back, I can’t just decide I’m going to shower in a woman’s locker and neither should a guy pretending to be a woman. Nobody should have special rights.

Secondly we are finding the same tired arguments about sex and gender being presented as if they had not already been consistently disproven.

Yeah, actual factual science says otherwise, but doctors and hospitals are making a huge profits from the lie.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of them started arguing that women shouldn't go to university because learning science makes them infertile.

I’ll leave that up to the left since they have already begun trying segregation in colleges separating whites and blacks.

This is a leftist trait in the 60s and it’s a trait from them now.

Segregation is making a comeback -- on college campuses​

Segregation is making a comeback -- on college campuses

Segregation was outlawed half a century ago, but some want to bring it back, at least on college campuses. And those seeking to bring segregation back are African-Americans — the very group hurt most by it in the early part of the 20th century.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Racial Segregation On American Campuses: A Widespread Phenomenon

A new racial segregation has crept onto many American campuses: racially-based housing and recreational facilities for example. This is counter to the principles of the civil rights movement and a color-blind society.

www.forbes.com

Segregation Returns to Campus | National Review

It is neither “anti-racist” nor progress to house students based on race.

www.nationalreview.com

Demands for Segregated Housing at Williams College Are Not News​

Demands for Segregated Housing at Williams College Are Not News | National Review

It is disturbingly common for American colleges, public and private, to offer segregated dorms, graduation ceremonies, and events.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Don't tempt them, Scarlet; there's a lot of Americans who'd like things to go back that way.

The left is already attempting this.

 

[PGen98]

Nothing is being rolled back, I can’t just decide I’m going to shower in a woman’s locker and neither should a guy pretending to be a woman. Nobody should have special rights.

Staggeringly out of touch perspective, as expected. You have no idea what it's like to be dysphoric, so don't presume to suggest that trans women are "pretending" to be women. Irrespective of your views, have a little more common decency than that.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Staggeringly out of touch perspective, as expected.

Reality is never out of touch.

You have no idea what it's like to be dysphoric,

It’s like any serious issue in a persons life from being a victim of violence to this, it needs true actual help not a industry making blood money off of it.

so don't presume to suggest that trans women are "pretending" to be women.

It’s not a presumption it’s factual, I’m not mocking the fact that they do it, I’m mocking the ones that think it’s okay to do this with real women in private spaces and in women sports being ruined by this. But who cares about real women and the hardships it’s causing them.

Irrespective of your views, have a little more common decency than that.

I don’t want children butchered, lack of decency ain’t my problem.

 

[PGen98]

Reality is never out of touch.

That's correct, except when what you call reality doesn't mix with fact.

It’s like any serious issue in a persons life from being a victim of violence to this, it needs true actual help not a industry making blood money off of it.

...go and get mental health help? Ok, well you're aware that's a prerequisite before anything from puberty blockers to hormone therapy are prescribed, right?

It’s not a presumption it’s factual, I’m not mocking the fact that they do it, I’m mocking the ones that think it’s okay to do this with real women in private spaces and in women sports being ruined by this. But who cares about real women and the hardships it’s causing them.

Ok, let's presume a trans woman simply needs to urinate while out in public. Where do you suggest these women go?

How about trans men? Who do you think would be more intimidating to women in a women's restroom? What about the gym? Trans women are supposed to bare all in the mens locker room? Women are supposed to be ok with trans men changing the in women's locker room?

Also you're completely aware of the fact that trans women aren't ruining women's sports, right? Leah Thomas won one race, the trans power lifter? Finished outside of the top 10 in the olympics. Yeah, that's ruining women's sports alright. But what about Canadian footballer Quinn? Is he ruining the Canadian women's team by competing as a trans man?

I don’t want children butchered, lack of decency ain’t my problem.

...which isn't happening, at least not within the normal realm. I know you've got your one YouTube video of a doctor who claims to do so, and if he is indeed, then he deserves to be locked up.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

That's correct, except when what you call reality doesn't mix with fact.

That seems to be about it😂

...go and get mental health help?

Yes find help for your child instead of butchering them. As a adult I don’t care what you do unless it effects other lives.

Ok, well you're aware that's a prerequisite before anything from puberty blockers to hormone therapy are prescribed, right?

From doctors who are ignoring their oath, yes!

Ok, let's presume a trans woman simply needs to urinate while out in public. Where do you suggest these women go?

I suggest a biological man use a mens bathroom. I’ll protect your right to pretend to be something you can’t be but you don’t get special rights because you feel a certain way.

How about trans men?

Read above and insert woman.

Who do you think would be more intimidating to women in a women's restroom?

I think a man doesn’t go in a woman’s bathroom or locker room ever no matter how they feel, dress or what medical procedures they have done.

What about the gym? Trans women are supposed to bare all in the mens locker room?

Public space, dress however you please and again I’ll literally and figuratively protect your right to do so.

locker room you are a man you use a mens locker.

This ain’t complicated, it’s common sense.

Women are supposed to be ok with trans men changing the in women's locker room?

Women and little girls are not comfortable, people in general are to scared to speak out in public and stand out as the mask thing showed us. I have no such problem.

Also you're completely aware of the fact that trans women aren't ruining women's sports, right?

I’m completely aware men are obliterating women sports, yes. Women have worked there entire lives to be the best to only have it ruined by a political agenda. Happily women are speaking out because men defending these women can only do so much if women aren’t brave enough to stand up also.

Leah Thomas won one race, the trans power lifter? Finished outside of the top 10 in the olympics. Yeah, that's ruining women's sports alright. But what about Canadian footballer Quinn? Is he ruining the Canadian women's team by competing as a trans man?

Oh my gosh, the examples are far and long!

From running in sprints and long distance, wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, bodybuilding, weightlifting.

It’s a fucking slaughter house for women sports. Just ridiculous if you can’t see it.

And it’s not only just being beaten by men but women are being put in hospitals from kickboxing, boxing and wrestling. My god when I did kickboxing and pretended I was a woman it would have been ugly.

...which isn't happening,

It’s happening and regularly.

at least not within the normal realm.

Every realm.

I know you've got your one YouTube video of a doctor who claims to do so, and if he is indeed, then he deserves to be locked up.

It is happening regularly and doctors are making hundreds of millions off of it.

Let me know how many you need?

Yes, Doctors Are Performing Sex Change Surgeries On Kids

Several media outlets have downplayed the prevalence of transgender surgeries for minors, but documents reveal these surgeries are being performed on children.

dailycaller.com

Yes, trans surgeries are being done on minors. Here's proof.

Speak to anyone who has endured an abusive relationship and they ll tell you that one of the worst forms of psychological manipulation that narcissistic abusers employ is gaslighting, wherein the ...

www.christianpost.com

U.S. Doctors Are Performing Mastectomies On Healthy 13-Year-Old Girls

Thirty-three girls were under 18 at the time of surgeries a taxpayer-funded researcher is studying to validate transgenderism. Two were only 13 years old.

thefederalist.com

 

[PGen98]

That seems to be about it😂



Yes find help for your child instead of butchering them. As a adult I don’t care what you do unless it effects other lives.




From doctors who are ignoring their oath, yes!

So which is it? We're to go and get mental health help, but the psychologists are ignoring their oath? Who do we turn to?

I suggest a biological man use a mens bathroom. I’ll protect your right to pretend to be something you can’t be but you don’t get special rights because you feel a certain way.

This is far more than feeling a certain way, and you know that. Your dismissive attitude just to draw ire is getting tiresome.

Trans women who use the male restrooms are more likely to be beaten, abused or worse than any cis woman is to be accosted by a trans woman in the women's restroom. But that's ok, trans women are just supposed to take it on the chin, right?

Read above and insert woman.



I think a man doesn’t go in a woman’s bathroom or locker room ever no matter how they feel, dress or what medical procedures they have done.

Well we'll just hold it in, shall we?

Public space, dress however you please and again I’ll literally and figuratively protect your right to do so.

locker room you are a man you use a mens locker.

This ain’t complicated, it’s common sense.

Yes, let's have trans women change with men, I'm sure they'll be fine with their breasts and vaginas in full view of men.

Women and little girls are not comfortable, people in general are to scared to speak out in public and stand out as the mask thing showed us. I have no such problem.

So white knighting in a situation that is clearly beyond your comprehension is how to sort it out?

I’m completely aware men are obliterating women sports, yes. Women have worked there entire lives to be the best to only have it ruined by a political agenda. Happily women are speaking out because men defending these women can only do so much if women aren’t brave enough to stand up also.






Oh my gosh, the examples are far and long!

From running in sprints and long distance, wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, bodybuilding, weightlifting.

It’s a fucking slaughter house for women sports. Just ridiculous if you can’t see it.

And it’s not only just being beaten by men but women are being put in hospitals from kickboxing, boxing and wrestling. My god when I did kickboxing and pretended I was a woman it would have been ugly.

You can't just turn up, claim to be trans and compete, there are medical tests, trans women have to have a testosterone level at near or absolute zero. Muscle mass greatly diminishes on hormone therapy and extra steps still have to be taken to the lowest possible levels.

It’s happening and regularly.




Every realm.



It is happening regularly and doctors are making hundreds of millions off of it.

Let me know how many you need?

Yes, Doctors Are Performing Sex Change Surgeries On Kids

Several media outlets have downplayed the prevalence of transgender surgeries for minors, but documents reveal these surgeries are being performed on children.

dailycaller.com

Yes, trans surgeries are being done on minors. Here's proof.

Speak to anyone who has endured an abusive relationship and they ll tell you that one of the worst forms of psychological manipulation that narcissistic abusers employ is gaslighting, wherein the ...

www.christianpost.com

U.S. Doctors Are Performing Mastectomies On Healthy 13-Year-Old Girls

Thirty-three girls were under 18 at the time of surgeries a taxpayer-funded researcher is studying to validate transgenderism. Two were only 13 years old.

thefederalist.com

Right wing scare sites again.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

So which is it? We're to go and get mental health help, but the psychologists are ignoring their oath? Who do we turn to?

As a adult I don’t care what you do you do as long as it doesn’t effect my life or my families life or other lives in general. This is about children. Otherwise you do you!

As with every single thing in life we have bad people in professions.

This is far more than feeling a certain way, and you know that. Your dismissive attitude just to draw ire is getting tiresome.

It really isn’t, but again as a adult it’s your life, you call it whatever you want.

Trans women who use the male restrooms are more likely to be beaten,

Then the people need to be arrested and sentenced for a long time.

abused or worse than any cis woman is to be accosted by a trans woman in the women's restroom. But that's ok, trans women are just supposed to take it on the chin, right?

Whatever you want to call yourself nobody deserves to be beaten unless they actually deserve it, so no they don’t need to take it on the chin. After the slaughter here in the night club that killed 49 gay people many learned firearm training and I helped two of them learn firearms. So no you don’t need to be a victim.

Well we'll just hold it in, shall we?

Only if that’s your personal choice.

Yes, let's have trans women change with men,

They are men so yes!

I'm sure they'll be fine with their breasts and vaginas in full view of men.

Well it’s something like 11 percent of men that decide to go all out on this surgery. But if these men do decide to do the full surgery that’s something different than what most of these issues with bathrooms have been about.

So white knighting in a situation that is clearly beyond your comprehension is how to sort it out?

Sorry not familiar with that term in this context.

You can't just turn up, claim to be trans and compete, there are medical tests, trans women have to have a testosterone level at near or absolute zero. Muscle mass greatly diminishes on hormone therapy and extra steps still have to be taken to the lowest possible levels.

If you are a healthy male you will always be stronger, faster and have better endurance no matter what procedures you do and it’s been proven over and over again.

Right wing scare sites again.

Just the facts whatever you want to call it.

 

[Webster]

As a adult I don’t care what you do you do as long as it doesn’t effect my life or my families life or other lives in general.

That works both ways, as someone should've told a certain cakemaker in Colorado.....

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

That works both ways, as someone should've told a certain cakemaker in Colorado.....

What are we talking about, a lot of cake makers in the news lately winning lawsuits rightfully so.

 

[Webster]

What are we talking about, a lot of cake makers in the news lately winning lawsuits rightfully so.

And the gay community should flat out tell the Jack Phillips of the world, "Nice shop you got there, be a shame if you refused us service."

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And the gay community should flat out tell the Jack Phillips of the world, "Nice shop you got there, be a shame if you refused us service."

I’m not in support of turning down service for any law abiding citizen, but I am in support of businesses to make those decisions even if they refuse service to me personally. Plenty of businesses for everyone.

 

[PGen98]

As a adult I don’t care what you do you do as long as it doesn’t effect my life or my families life or other lives in general. This is about children. Otherwise you do you!

As with every single thing in life we have bad people in professions.

...ok, rephrasing -- you're saying trans people, or even more specifically trans children, need to get mental health help before anything else, but you're ALSO saying that mental health professionals are corrupt and just pushing them through blindly...so which is it?

The whole rhetoric from the right is ludicrous, "this is about children" and yet denying children who need it access to critical life-saving care on the basis of pseudoscience and misquoted studies plus media scare tactics. It hasn't been an issue up until the point at which the right decided this was their new bandwagon to hop on, now everyone's keen to 'protect' children. What'll it be when the right moves onto the next shiny new object? Trans kids are fine again, because we can't pretend to be seen to champion that issue anymore?

It really isn’t, but again as a adult it’s your life, you call it whatever you want.

It certainly is, but until you know and understand what dysphoria is like, you can't possibly understand why gender-affirming care is so necessary.

Then the people need to be arrested and sentenced for a long time.

On that we agree, wholeheartedly.

Whatever you want to call yourself nobody deserves to be beaten unless they actually deserve it, so no they don’t need to take it on the chin. After the slaughter here in the night club that killed 49 gay people many learned firearm training and I helped two of them learn firearms. So no you don’t need to be a victim.

Nobody needs to be a victim, but that's just it -- by putting trans women into male facilities because people can't see beyond their bigotry, trans people are being MADE victims.

Only if that’s your personal choice.

Not at all, most would like to seek relief, but if it comes at the expense of having to use the facilities of the opposite gender and risk being beaten for it, then yeah, most won't go that route.

They are men so yes!

Born male and being men are two very different things. I know you're saying this just to be inflammatory.

Well it’s something like 11 percent of men that decide to go all out on this surgery. But if these men do decide to do the full surgery that’s something different than what most of these issues with bathrooms have been about.

Ok, so let's say they're pre-operative or non-operative trans women who have gone through hormone therapy and have noticeably feminized figures. You still expect them to change with men, because you can't see them for who they are?

Sorry not familiar with that term in this context.




If you are a healthy male you will always be stronger, faster and have better endurance no matter what procedures you do and it’s been proven over and over again.





Just the facts whatever you want to call it.

Facts would be scientific evidence, not op-eds.

 

[Webster]

The whole rhetoric from the right is ludicrous, "this is about children" and yet denying children who need it access to critical life-saving care on the basis of pseudoscience and misquoted studies plus media scare tactics.

Children, to the Right, are the cudgel with which they seek to (a) divide the LGBTQ community amongst itself and (b) divide us from the rest of the broader society.

 

[Webster]

Born male and being men are two very different things. I know you're saying this just to be inflammatory.

They've got a point there, @WHO IS SERAFIN; I've said it before and I will repeat it again: sex and gender are two distinct and separate things.

 

[Scarlet Rose]

They've got a point there, @WHO IS SERAFIN; I've said it before and I will repeat it again: sex and gender are two distinct and separate things.

Which you are totally and completely correct on. I am confused as to how there can even be any debate about this. Gender is literally a term that came into existence to be defined against sex.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

...ok, rephrasing -- you're saying trans people, or even more specifically trans children, need to get mental health help before anything else, but you're ALSO saying that mental health professionals are corrupt and just pushing them through blindly...so which is it?

Go back already referenced this comment.

The whole rhetoric from the right is ludicrous, "this is about children" and yet denying children who need it access to critical life-saving care

Feeling a certain way and then pumping a dangerous drug in them that permanently alters there body is anything but life saving care. But it is criminal and should be treated as such.

on the basis of pseudoscience

It’s definitely that when you are mutilating children.

and misquoted studies

Have been none of that, it just doesn’t fit your narrative and your narrative is much more important than who it might be hurting.

plus media scare tactics.

Definitely need more of that to stop fucked up people from hurting children.

It hasn't been an issue up until the point at which the right decided this was their new bandwagon

It’s always been a issue, mental health has been declining steadily in this country and now we have a segment of the population that is determined to fast track this mental decline among our children and they are shocked parents are fighting back😂

to hop on, now everyone's keen to 'protect' children.

Sorry we’re not going to make it easy to exploit them.

What'll it be when the right moves onto the next shiny new object?

I’ll let you know when the communist left picks there next agenda.

Trans kids are fine again, because we can't pretend to be seen to champion that issue anymore?

Trans kids have never been fine ever.

It certainly is, but until you know and understand what dysphoria is like, you can't possibly understand why gender-affirming care is so necessary.

I don’t know what’s like to have a brain tumor either but I do know you don’t just rip out the brain to solve the issue.

And why we have psychiatrists helping kids not money making butchers doing surgery and dangerous drugs.

On that we agree, wholeheartedly.

Looking for a broken clock.

Nobody needs to be a victim, but that's just it -- by putting trans women into male facilities because people can't see beyond their bigotry, trans people are being MADE victims.

Putting men in mens bathrooms. Period!

Not at all, most would like to seek relief, but if it comes at the expense of having to use the facilities of the opposite gender and risk being beaten for it, then yeah, most won't go that route.

Make it sound like every guy dressed as a woman going into every bathroom in the country is going to get beaten 😂 when in reality it’s going to be the odd look and people move on with there day 99.99999% of the time.

Born male and being men are two very different things.

No they aren’t but it’s convenient to try and convince people of this for their agenda, so I understand the targeting of children.

I know you're saying this just to be inflammatory.

I say everything because I believe it, it’s up to you to think whatever you want.

Ok, so let's say they're pre-operative or non-operative trans women who have gone through hormone therapy and have noticeably feminized figures. You still expect them to change with men, because you can't see them for who they are?

It makes no difference how I see them, they can’t change who they want to pretend to be.

Anyways, to be honest if they are adults I have not thought about this at every angle enough to have a answer for you.

Facts would be scientific evidence, not op-eds.

Oh so true 😜

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

They've got a point there, @WHO IS SERAFIN; I've said it before and I will repeat it again: sex and gender are two distinct and separate things.

And every time it’s disturbingly wrong. As 99% of biologists will tell you.