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we need to talk about sandy hook

Dee said:
+Holy Ghost said:
this is a great video as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9vLEzNsI00

I find it rather offensive to claim the parents of 20 children are in on some sort of hoax and that their children actually did not die. That is way too many people to be in on any sort of conspiracy. And to be quite honest, all of what is being argued for/against here (gun control, blame on video games, etc) is an old, played out story. This is not the first time gun control has been an issue, but it sure as hell helped to kick start the discussion again. We can go back even as far as the 1930s when it comes to gun politics in this country, and bills have been passed and rights have been taken away and given back. It's just the nature of things. But to believe this massacre happened merely as a ploy to enact gun regulations, I feel, is ignorant at best.

Agreed, plus there's the basic problem w/most conspiracies: at some point in any conspiracy, human nature all-but-dictates that someone, somewhere, either spills the beans or says the wrong thing to the wrong person at the wrong time. The fact that neither of these has happened says that, going by Occam's Razor, that Sandy Hook was indeed a tragic event and not the gun-grabbing/power-grabbing/whatever-grabbing conspiracy that comes to mind...
 
+Holy Ghost said:
of course i'd be heart borken and sad about the lost of so many young children, don't get me wrong...

but i call it like i see it... sooner or later you'll see it, some takes more time than other...

Living life with such a narrow-minded view of the world is harmful. There's nothing wrong with believing in something, but it's healthier to allow yourself to at the very least consider other possibilities.
 
Dee said:
+Holy Ghost said:
of course i'd be heart borken and sad about the lost of so many young children, don't get me wrong...

but i call it like i see it... sooner or later you'll see it, some takes more time than other...

Living life with such a narrow-minded view of the world is harmful.  There's nothing wrong with believing in something, but it's healthier to allow yourself to at the very least consider other possibilities.

haha, me? narrow-minded?

i'm the most open-minded person here i think...

i'm open to all possibilities...

but like i said, i call it like i see it...

just like with 9/11...

but sooner or later the truth will come out just like a host of other conspiracies that most people believed it to be real (official story) and when time went by proved that what the conspirators were saying was actually the truth (that the official story was fallacy)... but of course nothing happened about it, things just get brush under the rug and forgotten...

http://listverse.com/2013/05/02/10-nefarious-conspiracies-proven-true/
 
+Holy Ghost said:
Dee said:
+Holy Ghost said:
of course i'd be heart borken and sad about the lost of so many young children, don't get me wrong...

but i call it like i see it... sooner or later you'll see it, some takes more time than other...

Living life with such a narrow-minded view of the world is harmful.  There's nothing wrong with believing in something, but it's healthier to allow yourself to at the very least consider other possibilities.

haha, me? narrow-minded?

i'm the most open-minded person here i think...

i'm open to all possibilities...

but like i said, i call it like i see it...

just like with 9/11...

but sooner or later the truth will come out just like a host of other conspiracies that most people believed it to be real (official story) and when time went by proved that what the conspirators were saying was actually the truth (that the official story was fallacy)... but of course nothing happened about it, things just get brush under the rug and forgotten...

http://listverse.com/2013/05/02/10-nefarious-conspiracies-proven-true/

Human life is all about subjectivity, but fact still remains. This was not a hoax or a conspiracy. 20 children are dead as the result of a young man who had mental health issues, and many parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandmas, grandpas and other family members are devastated because of the decision of one disturbed young man.
 
where's the death certificates?

prove to me that all of those children and few adults died that day...

prove to me that the shooter was real...



http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/ten-proven-us-government-conspiracies-and-why-i-still-trust-the-government/
If it was not for Nixon’s political fiasco and the following Congressional hearings that forced CIA to open some of its files to the public in the 1970s a lot of the conspiracy theories that you listed, Xeno, would still be in the realm of something like “folk conspiracies” today and without substance. (Just as the “conspiracy” theories revolving around 9-11 today – I guess we’ll have to wait for another Nixon-like crime is committed by a president before the inside account of 9-11 will be revealed. But, it going to have to be a crime on US soil, because Bush II proved a US president can anything on foreign soil and get away with it.)

Since the 1970s our beloved CIA has continued its secretive policies … for the sake of “national security,” of course.
 
+Holy Ghost said:
where's the death certificates?

prove to me that all of those children and few adults died that day...

prove to me that the shooter was real...



http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/ten-proven-us-government-conspiracies-and-why-i-still-trust-the-government/

If it was not for Nixon’s political fiasco and the following Congressional hearings that forced CIA to open some of its files to the public in the 1970s a lot of the conspiracy theories that you listed, Xeno, would still be in the realm of something like “folk conspiracies” today and without substance. (Just as the “conspiracy” theories revolving around 9-11 today – I guess we’ll have to wait for another Nixon-like crime is committed by a president before the inside account of 9-11 will be revealed. But, it going to have to be a crime on US soil, because Bush II proved a US president can anything on foreign soil and get away with it.)

Since the 1970s our beloved CIA has continued its secretive policies … for the sake of “national security,” of course.

Lol, well considering there are pending lawsuits, it makes sense that the children's death certificates haven't been released yet. Although one has been: http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/05/noah-pozner-death-certificate-released.html The reason there are lawsuits pending are for wrongful death suits, and until they're taken care of, the certificates for the other children won't surface.
 
what pending lawsuits you speak of? :|

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/03/25/sandy-hook-victims-lawsuits/

the government is protected from those types of lawsuits i thought...

while, it's true that they can sue the perpetrator's parents/guardians though if their child is a minor/dependent...

while that death certificate looks real, i must disregard it as it's not on a official government website, but on a "sandy hook facts" blog...
 
+Holy Ghost said:
what pending lawsuits you speak of? :|

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/03/25/sandy-hook-victims-lawsuits/

the government is protected from those types of lawsuits i thought...

while, it's true that they can sue the perpetrator's parents/guardians though...

while that death certificate looks real, i must disregard it as it's not on a official government website, but on a "sandy hook facts" blog...

Lawsuits against the insurance company representing Nancy Lanza's homeowner's policy, gun manufacturer of the AR-15 that was used. While you may not agree with what is happening, there are lawsuits pending. Some have been dismissed, some are being presented to the courts again and their initial verdicts appealed. I know I would try to do something if my child was massacred at school. The reason why there has been a lot of silence about the death certificates and lawsuits is because they take a long time. The judicial system works at a snails pace, and they are not media-worthy stories, they are not the sensational drama that people want to see, so there's your lack of information.
 
If there were real lawsuits would there be files and such? If you had watch that video you'd understand that pretty much all of the victim's parents are now gun control activists and lobbyists ... they successfully made it a felony to have an assault weapon in the state of Connecticut...
 
+Holy Ghost said:
If there were real lawsuits would there be files and such? If you had watch that video you'd understand that pretty much all of the victim's parents are now gun control activists and lobbyists ... they successfully made it a felony to have an assault weapon in the state of Connecticut...

Which is your proof the lawsuits were real. Though not all of the cases are over with yet. They have only just begun after papers were submitted and determined to be seen by a judge. It takes time, like I said.
 
+Holy Ghost said:
where's the death certificates?

prove to me that all of those children and few adults died that day...

prove to me that the shooter was real...

Go tell that to the families of the victims and get back to us, m'kay?
More than a year and a half after Adam Lanza brutally murdered 26 women and children at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, parents and relatives of the victims still relive the terror of that fateful day along with the daily anguish and torment they suffer over the loss of their loved ones. Worse, they have to suffer the onslaught of delusional conspiracy theorists, commonly called hoaxers, who claim Sandy Hook was a "false flag" event concocted by the government as a pretext to gun confiscation.

As a parent of one of the murdered students, Noah Pozner, I have worked to debunk and stop the cruel and hateful hoaxers who use the Internet to spread their lies. Recently, some hoaxers have stepped up the intensity of their twisted campaign in an effort to draw more people into this destructive tale of misinformation and continue to disrupt the lives of victims' families.

In the immediate aftermath of the senseless atrocity, the hoaxers labeled virtually everyone in Newtown as involved in the alleged plot to fake the shootings, including police, medical personnel and — most egregiously — the parents whose young children had just been slaughtered. Bloggers and YouTubers from across the Internet accused these grief-stricken parents of being paid actors and told them that their children never existed. Emergency responders and school staff, whose acts of heroism saved lives and helped mitigate the tragedy, were likewise scoffed at and accused of playing parts in this so-called scripted event.

Fortunately, saner minds generally have prevailed in this war of fact over fiction. Diligent researchers pored through mountains of evidence from multiple sources, including the voluminous final report submitted by the state of Connecticut, and thoroughly debunked the multiple false theories and claims proffered by the hoaxer community. As a result, much of the hysteria died down and many former skeptics were relieved to learn that their suspicions were unfounded.

Unfortunately, there still exists a small but obsessive faction of hoaxers who are either unable or unwilling to objectively discern the hard facts from among the fleeting hunches and groundless accusations. Others are well aware of the truth but exploit the tragedy for their own aggrandizement. Regardless of their motivation, all have one thing in common: They persist in stalking and harassing the Sandy Hook parents and others intimately connected to the tragedy.

Among their most active leaders is Tony Mead, apparently a resident of Florida. For several months, this serial cyber stalker has hosted a Facebook page where he has amassed a cult following of like-minded hoaxers who ravenously feed off each other's paranoia and hatred for anyone who was affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy.

This is not a place where meaningful discussions are held or investigative inquiries are made. This is a place where strategies are plotted against grieving relatives and children's identities are stolen and exploited to fulfill a twisted fantasy.

Mead's contempt for the slain children is evidenced by the image that graces his Facebook page: A pale-white little girl with dark rings around her eyes. She is dirty, as if she has just crawled from the grave. A filthy forefinger is pressed against her pursed lips. Her devious grin implying that she is an undead or zombie child who is keeping a deadly secret from the gullible masses.

The conversations held on this page are a morbid reflection of that image. Anyone stumbling upon this page by accident could easily mistake it as a meeting place for necrophiliacs and child predators. Photographs of the slain children are posted along with derogatory comments, often accusing them of being actors themselves or part of a satanic cult. Parents of these murdered children are regarded with the utmost contempt. Some posters make threats, while others fantasize about putting parents and others they consider conspirators away behind bars.

Mead, like his ally and fellow hoaxer Wolfgang Halbig, has expressed his desire to dig up the dead children. Though these hoaxers claim the corpses would serve as proof of the victims' deaths, their actions tell an entirely different story of complete disregard for the families grieving the tragedy they know to be all too real. Their actions speak to a continued desire to dig through the lives and exhume the pain of all those who have been affected by the brutality displayed at Sandy Hook Elementary School — and who want nothing more than for their lost loved ones to rest in peace. (Lenny Pozner, Hartford Courant - July 2014)
 
Dee said:
+Holy Ghost said:
with all the proof and evidence of this event being a hoax you still believe it to be true and real?

with all do respect, why?

Hoax?  Did I miss something here or what? xD

You did not miss anything just another crazy idea from nut cases looking for things that do not exist.
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Dee said:
+Holy Ghost said:
with all the proof and evidence of this event being a hoax you still believe it to be true and real?

with all do respect, why?

Hoax?  Did I miss something here or what? xD

You did not miss anything just another crazy idea from nut cases looking for things that do not exist.

I think you're right about this one, TL. Not that Holy Ghost is a nut case, but I think there are just some ridiculous rumors being spread by sensationalists looking for find the outrageous in what appears to be (and is) a case of a mentally disturbed young man who made some really, really bad decisions.
 
I hate to agree with Salon.com about anything, and this may be the first time I've ever linked to anything on the site.

So, let's get it over with, note the date:
Jan 18, 2013 06:45 AM CST
Your comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory

Every conspiratorial allegation about the tragic Newtown shootings, answered

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehensive_answer_to_every_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory/
 
Dee said:
+Holy Ghost said:
If there were real lawsuits would there be files and such? If you had watch that video you'd understand that pretty much all of the victim's parents are now gun control activists and lobbyists ... they successfully made it a felony to have an assault weapon in the state of Connecticut...

Which is your proof the lawsuits were real.  Though not all of the cases are over with yet.  They have only just begun after papers were submitted and determined to be seen by a judge.  It takes time, like I said.

that wasn't a lawsuit, that was a state's bill against guns and gun owners...

which is against the state's constitution and the country's constitution...

it was a fake to strip away people's guns and their gun rights...

and it's not over yet...

you'll see soon enough...
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Dee said:
+Holy Ghost said:
with all the proof and evidence of this event being a hoax you still believe it to be true and real?

with all do respect, why?

Hoax?  Did I miss something here or what? xD

You did not miss anything just another crazy idea from nut cases looking for things that do not exist.

this event and the facts that they presented to the public is rubbish, full of contradictory and lies...

it's either a hoax/fake or a cover-up of some sort...

everything that happened there doesn't make any sense...

but go right ahead and let them spoon feed you bs while your gun rights get slowly taken away...

then you'll wise up and smell the crap...
 
DrLeftover said:
I hate to agree with Salon.com about anything, and this may be the first time I've ever linked to anything on the site.

So, let's get it over with, note the date:

Jan 18, 2013 06:45 AM CST
Your comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory

Every conspiratorial allegation about the tragic Newtown shootings, answered

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehensive_answer_to_every_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory/

actually, that's not even true...

there's a lot of unanswered questions and contradictory about the police reports and the whole story...

continue to be brainwashed, but sooner or later i'll tell you i told you so... ;)
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Dee said:
+Holy Ghost said:
with all the proof and evidence of this event being a hoax you still believe it to be true and real?

with all do respect, why?

Hoax?  Did I miss something here or what? xD

You did not miss anything just another crazy idea from nut cases looking for things that do not exist.

not so crazy...

there's too much that doesn't make sense for me to believe this story...

just like how judges tell the jurors; if a witness is caught lying then disregard their whole testimony...
 
+Holy Ghost said:
Dee said:
+Holy Ghost said:
If there were real lawsuits would there be files and such? If you had watch that video you'd understand that pretty much all of the victim's parents are now gun control activists and lobbyists ... they successfully made it a felony to have an assault weapon in the state of Connecticut...

Which is your proof the lawsuits were real.  Though not all of the cases are over with yet.  They have only just begun after papers were submitted and determined to be seen by a judge.  It takes time, like I said.

that wasn't a lawsuit, that was a state's bill against guns and gun owners...

which is against the state's constitution and the country's constitution...

it was a fake to strip away people's guns and their gun rights...

and it's not over yet...

you'll see soon enough...

There was a lawsuit.  There are several articles on several different websites reporting the same lawsuit against the gun manufacturer who the plantiffs, or the Sandy Hook victim's parents/guardians want to hold liable for what happened.  It will also test federal law, but essentially it is blaming a defendant (gun manufacturer) for entrusting a dangerous weapon to one party (in this case Adam Lanza's mother Nancy, or rather the insurance policy as she was the homeowner but is now deceased) which then caused fatal repercussions to a third party (the 20 children who died).  

Let me Google that for you...
 

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