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Why is weed illegal

To Beowulf and Smooth, if the two of you could calm down and talk about this subject in a more rational manner. And try and be more accepting of one another's views. It would help to prevent this from being locked. Thank you.
 
And as for my own opinion, drugs are not evil. Much like a gun, it is only dangerous when the person using it is not being safe.
 
DrLeftover said:
Smoking anything can cause lung problems including cancer.



The statement that 'weed won't kill you' is simply a lie.



My stance, legalize it, tax it halfway to hell, and if you're under age (like with booze), you're busted.





True, but even if you have never smoked marijuana a day in your life. Strike that, never smoked or drank in your life you can develop cancer. Perhaps the risk of it increases...
 
Smooth said:
So your opinion of someone who uses pot changes when the pot is prescribed, then. Rather hypocritical, wouldn't you say?





not at all hypocritical.............if a drug...any drug is prescribed by a qualified doctor for a genuine ailment then the person using the said drug would be fully briefed on how and when to use that drug...including any risks and not to use machinery or drive whilst under the influence as they could be a danger to themselves and others



a person using a drug illegally just to get high would not be so responsible...........either to the dosage they use or when they use it or the actions they may take whilst under the influence



im on pain killer medication which is prescribed by my doctor.......dosnt cost me much............but on the illegal market they are sought after due their 'calming' and mellowing' effect.....much like a 'downer'....some people can have hallucegenic episodes whilst taking them....(i was reading recently how its the drug of choice in Gaza where so many people suffer with stress)..they are habit forming which is why they are prescribed......the effects mean i am certainly in no fit state to drive...i know not to take them and drive...............im lucky, i only need to use them once or twice a month when the pain gets bad enough..................i certainly dont feel the need to take them for the side effects they give which is what people who are not prescribed them want but i am grateful for the relief from pain that they do give (which is their intended purpose)
 
Dennis said:
True, but even if you have never smoked marijuana a day in your life. Strike that, never smoked or drank in your life you can develop cancer. Perhaps the risk of it increases...





people who smoke weed are also more likely to smoke ordinary cigerettes....................cos when weed is smoked the user inhales more deeply to get the hit they are also 'conditioned' to inhale as deeply when smoking regular cigs......becomes a habit to smoke like that...the smoke is drawn deeper into the lungs and increases the risk of lung cancer
 
I have had bud before, but i have never smoked a cigarrette in my life. I don't know who you may be referring to but the you are not answering the initial question.



It's not, is weed bad for you?

It's, why is it illegal?
 
Ah, the cyclical topic that never ends. It can be found on just about any forum, lol...



The 'Tax Properly...' myth is just that - tobacco isn't much harder to grow, but due to some limitations, and merely because it was the drug of choice first moved upon in the 'New World' it got a market advantage and became profitable, and companies had control over it, before the non-merchant population could take advantage of it, thus tobacco business interests (even in the early colonial era) made sure they could keep it lucrative...including making massively addictive, and marketing it to children, etc...



THC has some altering properties, but anything, and everything consumed by the Human body does. Sugar does it, shall we make that illicit? Carbohydrates do, shall we make those illicit (never mind those are the basic fuels for human respiration...)? Alcohol, as mentioned, does similar things.



Alcohol was once put in the same status as marijuana, remember that period of time in the books known as Prohibition? That didn't work out too well...Moonshiners were like the dealers we have to day.



It's a faux-controversy invented as a social issue to leave people to debate the superficial and truly meaningless while administrations of our government pull a Houdini and rip people off behind the curtains. You can rally more people over 'pro-legaisation', and 'anti-legalisation' much more easier than other more arcane workings of government and politics (which wouldn't be very good to start spilling over to a mostly-ignorant populace). Otherwise, we'd realise both factions are more or less one and the same. Politicians belong to two major parties most of the time in the U.S, but belong to only one 'Caste'...



...the taxing 'dilemma' should be a non-issue; just like someone can usually plant a small garden in their backyards and reap their own vegetables without intrusion (such as taxes), whether you're planting eggplant, tomatoes, peppers, or marijuana, it shouldn't matter anyway.



...if someone had such a critical amount and wanted to engage in commerce for it (because there would be a market for people that don't have the proper facilities to grow their own...), then they could establish a business entity like any other business, and they would be taxed just fine. It isn't a logistics issue at all (while some piracy issues would exist, it isn't like it doesn't exist for other products, anyway (software anyone?).



One side will regulate businesses, the other social morality; a CEO, or a Politician. Choose your overlord(s) wisely.
 
I agree with most of your post, but the tax myth one. I don't think it's the same growth rate because if it was, how could the tobacco industry flourish when people could just sit at home, grow their tobacco and smoke it chemical free and tax free. The fact of the matter is, is that tobacco is harder to grow and very soil demanding unlike bud.
 
Weed in itself is not that bad for you, but it is a known step-up drug. It starts with weed, then once the user has reached their high, they're more curious to reach higher highs, and that's where other drugs come into the picture.
 
Are you referring to my post concerning weed being a step-up drug? If so, you're mistaken. Weed is a step-up drug for not only emotionally unstable individuals, but also for people seeker a higher high as I previously stated.
 
Dennis said:
I agree with most of your post, but the tax myth one. I don't think it's the same growth rate because if it was, how could the tobacco industry flourish when people could just sit at home, grow their tobacco and smoke it chemical free and tax free. The fact of the matter is, is that tobacco is harder to grow and very soil demanding unlike bud.

Actually, I kinda think if people started growing and selling their own. The main industry itself would probably collapse.
 
Jughead said:
Are you referring to my post concerning weed being a step-up drug? If so, you're mistaken. Weed is a step-up drug for not only emotionally unstable individuals, but also for people seeker a higher high as I previously stated.



Well, even if you may be correct, it's got nothing to do with the issue of weed being legal. What i mean to say is that those who are going to move unto larger drugs are going to do it weed or no weed. The gateway drug label is used as an excuse to announce something other than your own mentality for being the reason. Plus, it's a lot harder to control yourself when you are drunk then when you are high, and your impaired judgement might lead you on to try strong drugs.
 
Dennis said:
I agree with most of your post, but the tax myth one. I don't think it's the same growth rate because if it was, how could the tobacco industry flourish when people could just sit at home, grow their tobacco and smoke it chemical free and tax free. The fact of the matter is, is that tobacco is harder to grow and very soil demanding unlike bud.



Well, it has to do with early U.S. Colonial History, really. What made British colony trade primarily thrive (there were other trades, but not as lucrative), was the tobacco trade that boomed in early British colonial America. Much of the tobacco industry is centred around Virginia in the U.S. - which happened to be the site of the first settlements in what would become the U.S. The tobacco trade was so lucrative with consumers in Britain (and it's other extended trading partners), that really, it could be argued the tobacco trade is what made the British colonies into a successful entity. The British tended to have a penchant for allowing huge monopolies to exist in the market during the time, and the early settlers finding that tobacco, for what it is worth, was rather easy to grow and cultivate and was making good money decided to more or less corner the market. Even today, the big tobacco companies selling cigarettes et al. in the U.S. have origins back to the early settlers. With so much money coming in (in conjunction with New England's shipping wealth) it became a symbiotic necessity almost to have both 'industries' thrive in the 'to-be U.S.' and so a lot of leverage was given to the tobacco industry which more or less has led to it's seemingly nonsensical untouchable status today...it wasn't necessarily hard to cultivate back in the day, but it has been made (trade protectionism) so that it isn't something you can really grow in your backyard...(and true, it does need a certain set of conditions to grow optimally, but more or less tobacco can be grown anywhere in the East, from what I've seen/read/have been told; I don't know about the west, but I imagine hypothetically, if food wasn't important, more could be grown out there, too)...marijuana is certainly easier to grow (hence the name 'weed'...), but the discrepancy isn't that great. The taxation/regulation barrier isn't that great, and would likely actually boost the market, rather than stymie it, as it has for the tobacco industry (until the more recent twenty years or so...).



The 'Gateway' hypothesis is also a weak barrier, because it could again apply to so many things, and in fact is more or less a principle/law when referring to things outside of supposed 'illicit' substances. Fast foods, sugars, etc. can cause the same effect. It's really just how the human brain works. Hell, even dating/relationships work on a simliar psychological precept. It has to do with addictive personality traits, which to some degree all people have more or less. You hook up with a man/woman and spend enough 'positively rewarding' (long walks on the beach, or...other... activities) time with such a person, and you become 'addicted' to the person, which can cause a critical situation of people wanting 'more' from their partner, or not being satisfied with the 'same old, same old', hence why you hear on the news, or read online all those repetitive articles about 'spicing up your life', because the change gives you that better 'high'...and often things get stale, and there's no logical reason for the discontent, but it happens, and all of a sudden there's infidelity and divorce...or if a spouse passes away, the 'heartbreak' really is a sickness - it's basically like going through a drug withdrawal, and the more you've been exposed to the 'drug' (in this case a person), the harsher it is going to be.



Food can work the same. For the average-sized of us, we can be shocked seeing rather obese people that eat more than we can imagine, and much of it empty calories on junk food, but the fact is they are an addict, much like a heroin-addict is one. It starts with one hamburger, and a carton of fries, and soon enough it can turn into Super Size...



(Yes, I know Super Size doesn't exist anymore, and I know there are other factors involved in both examples, but it's the basic foundation I'm talking about, not the entire scope of the subject, nor an intense study of an individual)



...the 'illicit' drugs work the same way. Where things tend to go wrong in all of the instances where a 'Gateway Effect' could take over, is portion control. Yeah, I know, another catchword, but it tends to be true. Since there is no real 'Best Practices to Shooting Up', getting a heroin dose that wouldn't be harder to resist than the average addictive substance (relationships, sugar, fast-food, etc...) is going to be difficult, as there's no official regulation other than a ban to measure such. A see-saw effect comes into place, where the higher you go, the harder you fall, and the fall is so harsh, which is what leads many addicts to become desperate for the next high, if they can't maintain one on their own.



...in principal, though, outside of the complications, which can be addressed, who is someone to say how someone should get their high, or to outlaw certain means of addiction over another. Are we going to outlaw relationships, fast-food, tobacco, alcohol...? Statistically, those kill more people than the supposedly feared illicit substances, like marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc...



...basically one of the main reasons that alcohol and tobacco aren't outlawed, is because the enforcement would be near-impossible. The backlash from Prohibition, was well...prohibitive. The only reason the things outlawed are outlawed, is mainly because people let them...



I'd argue that with proper discipline, the 'illicit' substances could be used just as responsibly, or even better than the addictive substances that we are able to consume legally. It takes discipline to go on a diet, and it is the same principle at hand, with any other substance we consume. It is persons with a lack of enough willpower (not a criticism, but a fact - some things take more willpower than others to control...) that results in the 'Gateway Effect' becoming reality.
 
I agree with the above post.



Also to the fact that you are saying drugs are bad for you: that all depends on how and how much you take. It's no scientific fact that smoking weed (or using any other drug) in very large doses, can cause death. The point of this thread is that I'm asking how weed can be illegal when cigarettes cause a lot more damage and alcohol does similar things than weed.



So far beowolf, you have not said a thing of why weed should be illegal over cigarettes. Money is really the only reason why cigarettes are still in the market. If the government didn't make millions off of cigarettes, I guarentee they would be illegal in a gif.



Plus the fact that weed actually helps with pain and cigarettes just add pain is just astagering.
 
Which makes me wonder why the Weed trade didn't boom. Perhaps because it wasn't yet known? Or maybe it had to be farmed under a certain climate..
 
Dennis said:
Which makes me wonder why the Weed trade didn't boom. Perhaps because it wasn't yet known? Or maybe it had to be farmed under a certain climate..



It likely wasn't known, and tobacco was the easy answer. Marijuana can be pretty easily grown in Virginia as far as I know, and in some form or another probably already was, but it wasn't seen for whatever reason as an immediate cash crop, when there was tobacco to be farmed.
 
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