Debate over how to prosecute the killing of a fetus

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

IMHO

1. I think "fetal laws" are slippery slopes and are a *great* stepping stone for [slowly] eroding a woman's right to choose; I think anything that slowly erodes a woman's right to choose, is simply the Good Ol' Boys Club feeling insecure over the continued erosion of their patriarchal *supremacy* and *dominance* in the U.S. Don't think abortions are *right*? Don't get one. Don't think women should have the right to choose an abortion? Don't knock up a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant with your child.

2. No, not the way you've stated it. If there was a Federal (or State) mandate that says "Life begins at 24 weeks [because that's what has been determined as a viable fetus]" then yes, in this case additional "murder" charges regarding the fetus/baby could/should have been brought against this criminal.


As a third point, with the existing laws which may be in place (I'm not familiar with Colorado law), they MAY have been able to charge her with "performing an illegal abortion" and/or "performing as a doctor without a license". If I was the DA, I would have looked into what other charges could have been brought in regards to this heinous crime committed on a fetus which obviously the mother intended TO be born and become a "human being",

withOUT opening Pandora's Box to make it Another Great 'A' Debate.


But, I'm all *weird* and logical, like that and shit. YOU know.



LOL

A woman to choose? Lol! You mean take no responsibility for their actions they freely decided to do. (And I'm not talking about rape and such.) They can freely decide to have sex or not. They can freely decided to take birth control or not. It is all up to a woman if it happens or not. Period!

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

No it is the Constitution they are ignoring just like they are ignoring federal law on pot. So not factual at all.

If that were the case the state would be on trial for crimes against federal law. They would have to answer for it.

 

[mrldii]

A woman to choose? Lol! You mean take no responsibility for their actions they freely decided to do. (And I'm not talking about rape and such.) They can freely decide to have sex or not. They can freely decided to take birth control or not. It is all up to a woman if it happens or not. Period!

ABSOLUTELY!!! Those damned heathen women!!! Always tempting those poor, defenseless men into having sex with them, which is a Real Man's prerogative and right, dammit!!! Jezebels, the lot of them!


On a side note, you're not nearly as against Sharia law as you type *like* you are, huh?

And, don't forget: women who are raped can't end up pregnant, because a woman's body has the natural defenses TO fight off getting impregnated if she is being "legitimately" raped. Otherwise, if she ends up pregnant, she really DID really enjoy it, and it wasn't a "legitimate" rape, at all. She was probably even asking for it...nay, practically 'begging for it'...as evidenced by the way she was dressed.



/sarcasm

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

ABSOLUTELY!!! Those damned heathen women!!! Always tempting those poor, defenseless men into having sex with them, which is a Real Man's prerogative and right, dammit!!! Jezebels, the lot of them!


On a side note, you're not nearly as against Sharia law as you type *like* you are, huh?

Again what the heck are you talking about. Because I am for protecting a human life that a woman freely and willingly created and now expect her to take responsibility for it is nothing even remotely related to sharia.

And, don't forget: women who are raped can't end up pregnant, because a woman's body has the natural defenses TO fight off getting impregnated if she is being "legitimately" raped. Otherwise, if she ends up pregnant, she really DID really enjoy it, and it wasn't a "legitimate" rape, at all. She was probably even asking for it...nay, practically 'begging for it'...as evidenced by the way she was dressed.



/sarcasm

What the heck are you talking about? Since I am a atheist I certainly do not believe in heathen anything. I do not know about tempting but it is her FREE choice and no else's to spread the legs open.

Again what the heck are you talking about. Because I am for protecting a human life that a woman freely and willingly created and now expect her to take responsibility for it is nothing even remotely related to sharia.

Well know you are talking about something completely out of a woman's control in those situations which makes for a completely understandable exceptions in those cases regardless of you quoting some nut case politician who said those words.

 

[Dee]

Because I believe in abortion under certain circumstances, and because this mother expressed no wishes to rid of her child and was attacked, this is murder to me though they're not considering it murder despite it's violent nature. There's a difference between going through the process of aborting a child as opposed to stabbing it with a knife. I mean, in this case would you consider injecting a death row inmate with the juice to end their life murder? Technically it is, but it's not violent. Same goes with abortion. It's not a violent process, but a lot of people are still for the death penalty and actually encourage it. What's the difference?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Because I believe in abortion under certain circumstances, and because this mother expressed no wishes to rid of her child and was attacked, this is murder to me though they're not considering it murder despite it's violent nature. There's a difference between going through the process of aborting a child as opposed to stabbing it with a knife. I mean, in this case would you consider injecting a death row inmate with the juice to end their life murder? Technically it is, but it's not violent. Same goes with abortion. It's not a violent process, but a lot of people are still for the death penalty and actually encourage it. What's the difference?

Abortion is as violent as it gets. Watch the process and it is very clear how violent and evil it is no less then that person stabbing a baby inside a women with a knife. The only difference is one is sloppy and the other is a much more precise means of murder.

 

[Dee]

Abortion is as violent as it gets. Watch the process and it is very clear how violent and evil it is no less then that person stabbing a baby inside a women with a knife. The only difference is one is sloppy and the other is a much more precise means of murder.

Toe-may-to, toe-mah-to, TL. You know I don't agree with you. I don't think I need to discuss the differences in my beliefs on the matter of abortion. xD

 

[mrldii]

Besides, this isn't The Great 'A' Debate; this is a debate on whether or not "murder" charges should have been brought against the culprit on behalf of the "fetus".


By law and by definition, the ONLY answer in this case is "No"; hence, the reason the D.A. who is in charge of filing the appropriate charges and seeking successful prosecution, lest he be accused of wasting taxpayers' money

chose there would be no additional murder charges.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Toe-may-to, toe-mah-to, TL. You know I don't agree with you. I don't think I need to discuss the differences in my beliefs on the matter of abortion. xD

I know you don't but since I so strongly disagree I just can't let such a statement go by without giving the other side to what you wrote.

 

[Dee]

I know you don't but since I so strongly disagree I just can't let such a statement go by without giving the other side to what you wrote.

You've done that several times already, guaranteed. I think you just want the last word because you believe your word is law.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Besides, this isn't The Great 'A' Debate; this is a debate on whether or not "murder" charges should have been brought against the culprit on behalf of the "fetus".


By law and by definition, the ONLY answer in this case is "No"; hence, the reason the D.A. who is in charge of filing the appropriate charges and seeking successful prosecution, lest he be accused of wasting taxpayers' money

chose there would be no additional murder charges.

Nah, he is not choosing to prosecute because Colorado and liberal leftist Boulder County District Attorney's Office support abortion advocates. And nothing would be worse then setting a presidence that a unborn baby deserves the same rights as a every other human being. Heaven forbid the cowards in the district attorney's office face pro-abortion lobbyist backlash.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

You've done that several times already, guaranteed. I think you just want the last word because you believe your word is law.

No I do it because I believe I am right not that my word is the law. And it is my way of therapy to get out my frustrations.

 

[mrldii]

There are "abortion advocates" in this world?!? There are people who say, "EVERY pregnancy MUST be terminated!!!", thus they advocate for abortions?!? Really? WOW. You surround yourself with strange people. Must be a birds-of-a-feather kind of thingy.


Oh. You mean they are "Pro-CHOICE...i.e., people who say, "Woman's body; woman's choice." Well, now...THAT'S a WORLD of difference, isn't it?




By the way, no matter how hard you try, this isn't The Great 'A' Debate; it is also not going to BE The Great 'A' Debate, either...no matter how frequently you stomp your little feet or how violently your flip your two remaining strands of hair and insist that it simply just MUST be The Great 'A' Debate, because YOU want it to be.


You just don't have that much virtual power TO make it something it's not, 'lil fella.

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

Nah, he is not choosing to prosecute because Colorado and liberal leftist Boulder County District Attorney's Office support abortion advocates. And nothing would be worse then setting a presidence that a unborn baby deserves the same rights as a every other human being. Heaven forbid the cowards in the district attorney's office face pro-abortion lobbyist backlash.

And the charge would be thrown out of court BECAUSE FETAL LAW does not exist in COLORADO.

Until you actually listen to that you are going around wasting your breath.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And the charge would be thrown out of court BECAUSE FETAL LAW does not exist in COLORADO.

Until you actually listen to that you are going around wasting your breath.

Nope! A federal judge could very well see that law unconstitutional.

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

Nope! A federal judge could very well see that law unconstitutional.

And if it was. The state would be on trial. They are not because the state of Colorado does not recognise fetal law.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And if it was. The state would be on trial. They are not because the state of Colorado does not recognise fetal law.

Nope! A democrat controlled state has no desire to setup a precedent for the murder of the unborn.

 

[mrldii]

Nope! A democrat controlled state has no desire to setup a precedent for the murder of the unborn.

*Odd*.

Once again, the actual facts-of-the-matter don't support the assumptions, proffered up as fact.

http://www.denverpost.com/election2014/ci_26898316/gop-win-colorado-senate-democrats-vow-hold-party



How many times can someone be so wrong before they realize being *right* not be the way to go?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

*Odd*.

Once again, the actual facts-of-the-matter don't support the assumptions, proffered up as fact.

http://www.denverpost.com/election2014/ci_26898316/gop-win-colorado-senate-democrats-vow-hold-party



How many times can someone be so wrong before they realize being *right* not be the way to go?

I'm sorry what is the governor. A democrat That's what. Who holds the house. Again democrats. So yes how many times can a person be wrong.

 

[mrldii]

I'm sorry what is the governor. A democrat That's what. Who holds the house. Again democrats. So yes how many times can a person be wrong.

I can not help it if you can not read. I can not help it if when you do read but don't like what you're reading because it doesn't support your foregone conclusions, you dismiss the facts to be able to continue to be *right*.

All one can do is give others factual information on which they could choose to base their opinions; if I save just one person from falling for mis-presented *facts*


my job, here, is done.