how is this Not a "hate crime"?

[DrLeftover]

We seen a whole bunch of African-American kids you know, beating and stomping on an elderly Caucasian guy and he had bags and everything, he couldn't even defend himself because it was so many kids,

video on linked page:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topst.../Good-Samaritan-helps-man-beaten-by-teenagers

 

[Jazzy]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The police says there were two other incidents in the area within the same time frame that match the description of the suspects. The report says an air unit was dispatched to search the area but did not find the suspects.

This is why I don't think this was a hate crime. They only mention the first guy was an elderly Caucasian man. Where the others Caucasian as well? Perhaps not. I think they threw the word Caucasian in there to get people to believe these kids picked him because of the color of his skin. I more think these punks pick on elderly people because they know they're easy prey.

 

[Fatal Dawn]

I don't think it's wise to conclude the attack was racially-motivated. In addition to elderly people being easier targets, I wouldn't be surprised if it was gang-related. As for the witness, Caucasian really isn't a good term to describe a White person.

 

[DrLeftover]

So, if a group of young white punks stomped an old black man, there would be no screeching for them to be charged as such?

 

[Jazzy]

The article in the OP clearly states there were two other incidents in the same time frame. Now, can anyone show me proof that the other two incidents involved elderly Caucasian men too? Without that proof there is no reason (IMO) to relate this to a hate crime. I agree with Fatal Dawn that this sounds more gang related and that these punks prey on the elderly.

 

[DrLeftover]

I just asked a question with the first post.



If it is gang related, so be it.



Then I asked a follow up question.

 

[Jazzy]

@Doc: Do you think it was a hate crime?

 

[DrLeftover]

It was a crime of opportunity.



I disagree with the very concept of 'hate crimes'.



However, If such a thing is going to exist, it should be applied equally, which in most cases of black on white crime it is not.



Such as:

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/05/beating-church-and-brambleton

 

[Fatal Dawn]

So, if a group of young white punks stomped an old black man, there would be no screeching for them to be charged as such?

That too sounds circumstantial. If they were going around beating down other blacks and only blacks, then law enforcement would look into whether it is racially-motivated.

I disagree with the very concept of 'hate crimes'.

I agree. Crime is crime. Whether the motive was prejudice or not shouldn't affect the punishment.



The distinction of hate crime is more so that the federal government can categorize crimes, make connections between crimes, and keep tabs on hate groups. Just like what they did with the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooter - they were able to connect the crime with his ties to white supremacist groups.



It's purely quantitative:

For the purposes of collecting statistics, Congress has defined a hate crime as a criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

http://www.fbi.gov/a...crimes/overview

 

[DrLeftover]

Woman allegedly attacked by group near U of C campus with kids in car

July 10, 2015

Broken glass littered the pavement at 60th and King Drive across from Washington Park, where the attack took place around 9 p.m. Thursday night. Pedersen says she had just dropped off a friend at the University of Chicago when she stopped at a red light and found her car surrounded by several dozen young people.

"They were walking around both sides of the vehicle - in the front, in the back - and as they were walking across, they were hitting my car, using racial slurs and telling me that I didn't belong in their neighborhood because I was white," Pedersen said.

The group, all African-American, she says, kicked the vehicle and shook it violently. Her children were screaming from the back of the vehicle.

Pedersen said one person was on a bicycle, which the group used it as a battering ram to shatter the back window. The broken glass left cuts on her 3-year-old son, Benjamin.

Pedersen said a police car, which happened to be nearby, arrived and the group scattered.

Two juveniles were arrested, police said. They were charged with misdemeanor criminal damage to property.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/abc7-ex...ly-attacked-by-group-near-uofc-campus/841913/

 

[Webster]

*reads Doc's post* White victim, black perps...there's your reason right there.

 

[Crusader]

Every act of violence towards another human is a hate crime. You're not kicking the shit out of someone because you like them are you? I cannot stand it when the race card is played, a crime is a crime, regardless of the colour of your skin.

 

[DrLeftover]

*reads Doc's post* White victim, black perps...there's your reason right there.

You forgot one....

"In Democrat Controlled Chicago"

 

[Webster]

You forgot one....

"In Democrat Controlled Chicago"

Oh, yeah, I forgot about ole' Chicongo there... :rolelyes: