Do you trust the police?

[DrLeftover]

What's so fine and upstanding about anyone in that article...? Or if you're just being sarcastic I don't see anything significant in that article that requires explaining...

You seem to hate the police.

If you didn't have criminals shooting innocent people in their own yards, you wouldn't need police.

 

[Tuesday]

You seem to hate the police.

If you didn't have criminals shooting innocent people in their own yards, you wouldn't need police.

If we didn't have police shooting innocent people everywhere we wouldn't need to abolish the police...criminals shoot innocents...police shoot innocents...yet you willing to keep paying for the police to keep doing it...yeah I'd rather try not paying them and take my chances with the results...

 

[DrLeftover]

Tuesday has said everything on the subject that needs to be said.

Thank you.

 

[Uncrowned]

Most people who don't trust police have run out of patience for these kind of apologetic excuses the police have ever since they police were created...I for one am now ready to try anything else than what we have in place now and I'm not willing to waste any more time and money funding the police...we can change political parties why can't we charge policing for anything else? The excuse of only the police know what it's like to bury babies and loved ones is unreasonable why are only the police supporters humanized but not the non police supporters...? That's exactly the kind of pig culture prejudice and discrimination that assumes only the police can understand the hardships of loss etc...well the rest of us the don't support police culture know what it's like to bury babies etc and know first hand the police can't bring them back to life and that the police aren't the saviors of humanity that they want us all to blindly believe in...

So what would you replace them with?

 

[Dee]

To a degree. I know there are individual police officers who are genuinely concerned for public safety and keeping the peace, but the profession attracts too many psychos with power trips.

 

[DrLeftover]

To a degree. I know there are individual police officers who are genuinely concerned for public safety and keeping the peace, but the profession attracts too many psychos with power trips.

You can say the same thing about Politics in general, and Congress in particular.

 

[~ True Legend ~]

Senior Stephen Lawrence officer Ray Adams was corrupt, says secret Met report

Report concluded lies by man linked to killer’s family cleared officer in corruption probe, BBC reveals.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Tuesday]

So what would you replace them with?

Replace them with anything or nothing and experiment while saving trillions of tax dollars in the process since that's the same as what we doing now always giving the police countless chances to improve we can just give other alternatives the same amount of chances to improve too...

 

[Tuesday]

You can say the same thing about Politics in general, and Congress in particular.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely...

 

[Tuesday]

Senior Stephen Lawrence officer Ray Adams was corrupt, says secret Met report

Report concluded lies by man linked to killer’s family cleared officer in corruption probe, BBC reveals.

www.bbc.co.uk

Similar toxic corrupt pig culture articles have been the norm for awhile now...

 

[Uncrowned]

Replace them with anything or nothing and experiment while saving trillions of tax dollars in the process since that's the same as what we doing now always giving the police countless chances to improve we can just give other alternatives the same amount of chances to improve too...

Advocating for the complete removal of police seems like a call for the absence of law and order. While this might sound extreme, it's important to understand the complexities and challenges of public safety. Simply suggesting an elimination of the police force doesn't address the deeper issues at play or provide a viable solution to current problems. Who shall respond when your drunk neighbor pulls a gun on his wife? You?

Real change requires a more nuanced approach. It's about working within the system to identify failures and challenges, and then collaboratively developing solutions that improve or, if necessary, fundamentally reform the system. True reform involves a willingness to understand the existing structures and thoughtfully propose effective changes. You are not offering reform only complaints.

Dismissing the current system without offering practical, actionable alternatives will hinder progress and impede the very improvements people seek. It's crucial to channel our concerns into constructive dialogue and action that leads to meaningful, positive transformation in public safety and policing.

 

[Tuesday]

Advocating for the complete removal of police seems like a call for the absence of law and order. While this might sound extreme, it's important to understand the complexities and challenges of public safety. Simply suggesting an elimination of the police force doesn't address the deeper issues at play or provide a viable solution to current problems. Who shall respond when your drunk neighbor pulls a gun on his wife? You?

Real change requires a more nuanced approach. It's about working within the system to identify failures and challenges, and then collaboratively developing solutions that improve or, if necessary, fundamentally reform the system. True reform involves a willingness to understand the existing structures and thoughtfully propose effective changes. You are not offering reform only complaints.

Dismissing the current system without offering practical, actionable alternatives will hinder progress and impede the very improvements people seek. It's crucial to channel our concerns into constructive dialogue and action that leads to meaningful, positive transformation in public safety and policing.

You're not offering any other approach but to keep doing what the politians tell us we should do...or don't you see that?

Simply saying the solution is nuanced or other such tactics to shift the attention away from the culture of policing is just pretending the problem is too hard to solve when it's really simple...the police continue to kill and harm and promote toxicity when they're not supposed to ever since policing was invented so why be so resistant to change? It reminds me of abusive domestic grooming the way most are so against trying other solutions other than policing...

Anyways you asked me who responds to my drunk neighbor pulling out a gun on his wife...the answer is the same as if societies had a police force or not: only people that care enough will respond...and in the case you describe with my neighbour don't forget that not the police or anyone else can stop people that want to kill and the police can't bring them back to life or unrape people either...so this false sense of security the government has you believing doesn't help anyone except for encouraging police culture since everyone has to pay taxes to pay police salaries whether or not police are caught breaking the laws or not and we all know that police break laws just like everyone else...

 

[Mike30]

No I don't trust the police. Nor the Doctors either.

 

[Uncrowned]

You're not offering any other approach but to keep doing what the politians tell us we should do...or don't you see that?

Simply saying the solution is nuanced or other such tactics to shift the attention away from the culture of policing is just pretending the problem is too hard to solve when it's really simple...the police continue to kill and harm and promote toxicity when they're not supposed to ever since policing was invented so why be so resistant to change? It reminds me of abusive domestic grooming the way most are so against trying other solutions other than policing...

Anyways you asked me who responds to my drunk neighbor pulling out a gun on his wife...the answer is the same as if societies had a police force or not: only people that care enough will respond...and in the case you describe with my neighbour don't forget that not the police or anyone else can stop people that want to kill and the police can't bring them back to life or unrape people either...so this false sense of security the government has you believing doesn't help anyone except for encouraging police culture since everyone has to pay taxes to pay police salaries whether or not police are caught breaking the laws or not and we all know that police break laws just like everyone else...

The key to meaningful police reform lies in understanding the root causes of current practices and actively involving the community in public safety. It's crucial to comprehend the factors behind police budget allocations leading to military gear acquisition, as well as how societal dynamics and media influence police tactics and training that end with these "high-speed" officers.

Real progress starts with active engagement at the local level. How much time have we invested in understanding the workings of our municipal centers? How involved are we in committees overseeing police funding and training programs? It's not just about politicians dictating changes; it's about community members being proactive and informed participants in the reform process. You point out how we should not blindly follow our politicians and yet provide answers that sound like you have never even spent 5 minutes working on the problems yourself and just want politicians to "make the problem go away".

Simply replacing an organization without grasping the reasons behind its shortcomings risks replicating the same issues or, worse, exacerbating them. New leadership alone cannot solve deep-rooted challenges such as hiring practices influenced by the availability of military-trained personnel, or the complexities of civil service entry requirements that might exclude potentially excellent recruits.

Moreover, the notion that only those who care will respond to incidents is overly simplistic and if anything points out that SWAT teams are the most caring people out there. Yes, there are instances where police response is limited due to resource constraints, but is creating a new organization the solution to such logistical challenges that often aren't even in the hands of the police themselves?

The analogy of taking over a struggling business without understanding its core operations is apt here. Transforming a police force, an entity with significant authority and responsibilities, requires a well-thought-out plan, not just hopeful changes.

Our police forces do require reforms. However, these reforms should be based on a thorough understanding of existing challenges, collaborative community involvement, and pragmatic approaches, rather than hasty or uninformed decisions. Only then can we hope to see effective and sustainable improvements in our public safety systems.

 

[~ True Legend ~]

The key to meaningful police reform lies in understanding the root causes of current practices and actively involving the community in public safety. It's crucial to comprehend the factors behind police budget allocations leading to military gear acquisition, as well as how societal dynamics and media influence police tactics and training that end with these "high-speed" officers.

Real progress starts with active engagement at the local level. How much time have we invested in understanding the workings of our municipal centers? How involved are we in committees overseeing police funding and training programs? It's not just about politicians dictating changes; it's about community members being proactive and informed participants in the reform process. You point out how we should not blindly follow our politicians and yet provide answers that sound like you have never even spent 5 minutes working on the problems yourself and just want politicians to "make the problem go away".

Simply replacing an organization without grasping the reasons behind its shortcomings risks replicating the same issues or, worse, exacerbating them. New leadership alone cannot solve deep-rooted challenges such as hiring practices influenced by the availability of military-trained personnel, or the complexities of civil service entry requirements that might exclude potentially excellent recruits.

Moreover, the notion that only those who care will respond to incidents is overly simplistic and if anything points out that SWAT teams are the most caring people out there. Yes, there are instances where police response is limited due to resource constraints, but is creating a new organization the solution to such logistical challenges that often aren't even in the hands of the police themselves?

The analogy of taking over a struggling business without understanding its core operations is apt here. Transforming a police force, an entity with significant authority and responsibilities, requires a well-thought-out plan, not just hopeful changes.

Our police forces do require reforms. However, these reforms should be based on a thorough understanding of existing challenges, collaborative community involvement, and pragmatic approaches, rather than hasty or uninformed decisions. Only then can we hope to see effective and sustainable improvements in our public safety systems.

Indeed and while I don’t want to invalidate the sense of urgency many feel, we need to remember that at the end of the day, police officers are human just like us and we all have positive and negative personality traits - of course, with some more forgivable and forgettable than others. Unfortunately incidents by a small proportion of police officers will undermine trust in the police force.

 

[Reddington]

For reasons I will never understand, people seem to have this expectation that cops are all robots, incapable of emotions and incapable of doing anything wrong. The entire "acab" and "fuck cops" mentality makes absolutely no sense. There have been, and always will be, firefighter arsonists. Firefighters who set the fires they respond to. Where's the outrage? Afab?There have been doctors who played "god" and decided to kill their patients. Adab?

Yes, there are cops who have done bad things, no one is denying that. Are they the majority? Are they the faces of the profession? No, but they are who the media gobble up on because it's NEGATIVITY. The media THRIVES off negativity, bad things, scaring people, creating outrage. It's why you rarely ever see the bodycams on the news where cops save lives. I'm so thankful for police body cam youtube channels, because they show everything - the good, bad and ugly. They are not biased, unlike the media. Every single day there are good cops who do their job right without a hitch. Every day there are positive interactions with the police. But for some reason, a lot of people allow the media to determine how they feel about an entire profession.

 

[~ True Legend ~]

For reasons I will never understand, people seem to have this expectation that cops are all robots, incapable of emotions and incapable of doing anything wrong. The entire "acab" and "fuck cops" mentality makes absolutely no sense. There have been, and always will be, firefighter arsonists. Firefighters who set the fires they respond to. Where's the outrage? Afab?There have been doctors who played "god" and decided to kill their patients. Adab?

Yes, there are cops who have done bad things, no one is denying that. Are they the majority? Are they the faces of the profession? No, but they are who the media gobble up on because it's NEGATIVITY. The media THRIVES off negativity, bad things, scaring people, creating outrage. It's why you rarely ever see the bodycams on the news where cops save lives. I'm so thankful for police body cam youtube channels, because they show everything - the good, bad and ugly. They are not biased, unlike the media. Every single day there are good cops who do their job right without a hitch. Every day there are positive interactions with the police. But for some reason, a lot of people allow the media to determine how they feel about an entire profession.

I agree. As in my above post, we can’t generalise.

 

[riseabovethis]

I agree. As in my above post, we can’t generalise.

But the sheep will always generalise. Like the sheep named @Tuesday. Nothing but whining and no possible solutions. A bandwagon jumping sheep, nothing more.

 

[Tuesday]

But the sheep will always generalise. Like the sheep named @Tuesday. Nothing but whining and no possible solutions. A bandwagon jumping sheep, nothing more.

Sheep...? More like yer the sheep whining and complaining about the people that don't like police killings...not to mention you trying to normalize more sheep to join pig gangs🙄

 

[MrDawn]

Let's keep it civil, guys. Common decency needs to be shown especially when addressing something someone else has written within the debate. That means no name calling or aggressive behavior.