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Opinion of Obama
- Thread starter Temerit
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ThaBawse
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Temerit said:
Well to be fair, he did go swimming in the Gulf of Mexico for a reason. Now everyone knows the waters are safe and clean.
Just from back here in the cheap seats, and having been a political watcher and commentator for thirty-some odd years.
I don't think Mr. Obama is actively running for re-election.
Do you think he has planned all along to be a one term president?
Of course, right now, there is no serious opposition from either party other than that long list of the usual suspects and HER. But he doesn't even have a low level CREEP thing going.
Reagan and Clinton remained in campaign mode for their entire first terms, they had a four year commercial for their second go at it.
Bush 43 rode the 9-11 furor as far as it will go.
Carter stayed in the Rose Garden and ran a non-campaign. Bush 41 couldn't get past the read my lips thing and never had a chance going in. We'll skip Ford.
Obama seems to be doing everything he wanted to do policy wise, and take every vacation and golf outing he possibly can, in four, and then smile and wave and cash it in for the rest of his natural. And he's entitled to it, there is no advantage retirement wise to a President for sticking around 8 years, except they have to build another wing on their Presidential Library.
what say you?
[for those who aren't aware, CREEP stands for Committee to Re-Elect the President and comes to us from Nixon's 1972 campaign]
I don't think Mr. Obama is actively running for re-election.
Do you think he has planned all along to be a one term president?
Of course, right now, there is no serious opposition from either party other than that long list of the usual suspects and HER. But he doesn't even have a low level CREEP thing going.
Reagan and Clinton remained in campaign mode for their entire first terms, they had a four year commercial for their second go at it.
Bush 43 rode the 9-11 furor as far as it will go.
Carter stayed in the Rose Garden and ran a non-campaign. Bush 41 couldn't get past the read my lips thing and never had a chance going in. We'll skip Ford.
Obama seems to be doing everything he wanted to do policy wise, and take every vacation and golf outing he possibly can, in four, and then smile and wave and cash it in for the rest of his natural. And he's entitled to it, there is no advantage retirement wise to a President for sticking around 8 years, except they have to build another wing on their Presidential Library.
what say you?
[for those who aren't aware, CREEP stands for Committee to Re-Elect the President and comes to us from Nixon's 1972 campaign]
Well Obama has taken 42 vacation days since his inauguration. That's about a third the number of vacation days as Bush took at this point in the presidency. Lydon B Johnson had spent 468 days of his presidency at his ranch in Texas.
Do you guys feel that Obama should have no leisure time or any vacation even on the weekends while president? You think he should have to work seven days a week?
Do you guys feel that Obama should have no leisure time or any vacation even on the weekends while president? You think he should have to work seven days a week?
Kinda radical and doesn't seem much your type:
Creating a single-payer not-for-profit system of universal health care that provides full coverage for all Americans by passage of the United States National Health Care Act.
Immediate withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Creating a moratorium on Genetically Modified Organism (GMO).
Lowering the voting age to 16
Ending the H-1B and L-1 visa Programs
Strengthening gun control.
Creating a single-payer not-for-profit system of universal health care that provides full coverage for all Americans by passage of the United States National Health Care Act.
Immediate withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Creating a moratorium on Genetically Modified Organism (GMO).
Lowering the voting age to 16
Ending the H-1B and L-1 visa Programs
Strengthening gun control.
Well putting a moratorium on GMO is basically a war against the advancement of science. Lowering to voting age to 16 seems like a pointless thing seeing as at that age I bet 95% of minors would vote alongside their parents if they even bothered. Gun Control is vehemently opposed by the American public (or at least the pro-gun people are the only ones yelling about the issue). Stripping away work visa programs doesn't seem like a good way to curb illegal immigration. Withdrawing from NAFTA is understandable, but the WTO?? And with single-payer; the American political climate is very opposed to single-payer (even if due to sheer ignorance).
The rest of his positions seem fine, but why do you rank him as better than Obama?
Obama is smarter.
The rest of his positions seem fine, but why do you rank him as better than Obama?
Obama is smarter.
freezy said:
No It's not... GMO should be on hold to asses and situate it, to put moderation on it, to not get out of hand with it, to control it closely so nothing goes wrong... GMO is dangerous...
I agree.
Temerit said:
Pointless for having millions of more voters? You bet that 95% of them would vote alongside their parents? How did you come up with that conclusion? That's like saying don't let 18 year olds vote because it's pointless and 95% of them would vote alongside their parents, heh! Plus, why is it so ridicules to let 16 year olds vote? We let 16 year olds drive on our roads and in some states the age of consent is 16... So, if the government think 16 year olds are an age to let them drive and make choices such as having sex with an adult, then why not vote?
I made up that statistic. How does being able to drive have any correlation have anything to do with voting? I believe that once a child is out of his parent's house and living on his own (at 18 or older) they are much more likely to come to their own decisions, whereas a sixteen year old living with his/her parents would be much more likely to vote with his/her parents. What does having sex have to do with voting?
I will admit that it was stupid of me to label lowering the voting age to 16 radical its just unnecessary (even though I might even support it) Our votes don't even count anyway.
Temerit said:
As a people, we should be able to have guns... A lot of Americans own/use guns to protect themselves, to collect and to hunt... Not every gun owner is a crazy killer or a person that shoots up a school... Why don't you want Americans have the right to have/own a gun?
Because guns are designed to kill and I don't approve of killing.
Temerit said:
Stripping away the work visa program will free up jobs for us, Americans...
Yep, I agree with you.
http://www.h1b.info/
http://www.economyincrisis.org/content/l-visa-programs-brimming-abuses
Temerit said:
Don't need no crooked and corrupted organization to help the US make agreements to other countries, we can do that all by ourselves with out all of the BS...
What BS specifically are you talking about? What about the WTO is so undesirable by your standards?
Temerit said:
Because he been in the game longer, he does the right thing, he votes smart, he's not in it for the money, he knows who and what all of the career politicians are, he can lead the country better than the ones that are crooks and corrupted...
He can lead better? You know this based off of what?
Temerit said:
Heh, have proof of this?
Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law and Executive President of Harvard Law Review. He went to Columbia for undergrad.
Look at his voting history on things and look at Obamas... Yeah, Obama is waaay smarter... *rolls eyes*
What votes specifically would you point to in order to support the idea that Kucinich is smarter that Mr. Obama?
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I guess this would be change.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5geQsDi67zuA4fPHVF4EotRXVMoEgD9I4A8O00
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5geQsDi67zuA4fPHVF4EotRXVMoEgD9I4A8O00
It's only the conservatives that do it?
Who was it again that authorized this? (and this is the NYT, not that bunch of haters at FOX)
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/082198attack-us.html
Who was it again that authorized this? (and this is the NYT, not that bunch of haters at FOX)
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/082198attack-us.html
All that's missing is an enemies list.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100913/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_contracts_3
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100913/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_contracts_3
Temerit said:
Wtf is your point.[/quote]
I am quite certain you'll figure it out eventually.
