The kind of cops obama dreams about on our streets.

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Today I stopped Caring….

By Lt Daniel Furseth, DeForest, Wisconsin Police Department

Today, I stopped caring about my fellow man. I stopped caring about my community, my neighbors, and those I serve. I stopped caring today because a once noble profession has become despised, hated, distrusted, and mostly unwanted.

I stopped caring today because parents refuse to teach their kids right from wrong and blame us when they are caught breaking the law. I stopped caring today because parents tell their little kids to be good or “the police will take you away” embedding a fear from year one. Moms hate us in their schools because we frighten them and remind them of the evil that lurks in the world.

They would rather we stay unseen, but close by if needed, but readily available to “fix their kid.” I stopped caring today because we work to keep our streets safe from mayhem in the form of reckless, drunk, high, or speeding drivers, only to be hated for it, yet hated even more because we didn’t catch the drunk before he killed someone they may know.


Read the rest here
http://nycfirewire.com/today-i-stopped-caring/

 

[Webster]

...and society wonders why cops treat certain neighborhoods not as areas to protect & serve but as war zones where its' kill or be killed...that officer's views, I'd bet, are becoming more and more common these days.

 

[Dee]

Stopping caring TODAY is giving up and letting those people win.  Stopping caring is pathetic, weak, and sad.  That person does not need to be an authority figure if they run out of care and consideration in the face of hardship, disappointment, disgust of human behavior, and why our society has such a dark underbelly.  There are plenty others who do care at all times, so move on over if your caring has run out for today.  This isn't a job you get to stop caring about at any time, whatsoever.  Because when that happens, we allow our police men to becoming dogs of war, simply doing as instructed and nothing more.

 

[DrLeftover]

This is real.

With one proviso.

It was first published in October of this year.

https://apbweb.com/hard-keep-caring/

 

[+paradox]

it's funny how cops and people are blaming society because of what cops do each and everyday to make themselves look bad in the society's point-of-view... if cops really want to try to fix relations, then they need to stop being jerks to everyone, and have some tough god-like mentality that they are above everyone and that they can treat anyone how they see fit... how dare the cops blame the people for lashing out due to their everyday brutality, corruption and injustice...

it's just like the government blaming the citizens because the citizens despise them due to their deceitfulness, corruption, neglectfulness, incompetence, ignorance and injustice...

you're welcome...

 

[Dee]

Truly the pot calling the kettle black. When the authority figures are getting away with what would be considered illegal for its citizens, and do not face any consequences for their decisions and their actions, then why should we behave while others are not? *shrug*

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And with some of these responses this why it would not surprise the overwhelming amount of Americas good cops are feeling like FU to the public. America has almost one million cops protecting us and the radicals are acting like it is every one in America when it is probably less then one percent that do bad things with there power.

 

[Dee]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

 

[Dee]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

It should be a concern, though. If you know what you're dealing with, and you have experience from a professional perspective with lots of training under your belt, then you can learn ways to deescalate the situation as opposed to making it worse. Being concerned with how to stop a certain crime from happening or escalating most definitely 100% ties into WHY it could possibly be happening and the potential scenarios. This disconnect needs to stop. Let's learn more about what makes people tick before we go out there and shoot them.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

It should be a concern, though.  If you know what you're dealing with, and you have experience from a professional perspective with lots of training under your belt, then you can learn ways to deescalate the situation as opposed to making it worse.  Being concerned with how to stop a certain crime from happening or escalating most definitely 100% ties into WHY it could possibly be happening and the potential scenarios.  This disconnect needs to stop.  Let's learn more about what makes people tick before we go out there and shoot them.

Lets say you are right. So out of a million cops protecting us across this nation do you think this a majority of cops that are acting in one way or another unprofessionally?

 

[Dee]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

It should be a concern, though.  If you know what you're dealing with, and you have experience from a professional perspective with lots of training under your belt, then you can learn ways to deescalate the situation as opposed to making it worse.  Being concerned with how to stop a certain crime from happening or escalating most definitely 100% ties into WHY it could possibly be happening and the potential scenarios.  This disconnect needs to stop.  Let's learn more about what makes people tick before we go out there and shoot them.

Lets say you are right. So out of a million cops protecting us across this nation do you think this a majority of cops that are acting in one way or another unprofessionally?

I can't say if it's the majority of cops because I am not a cop myself, nor am I involved in statistical data analysis of police shootings, etc.  I can, however, make an educated opinion about several incidents that have happened over time--not even in regards to what happened in Ferguson or NYC--that have fallen under scrutiny not just from the public but from other authorities as well.  I believe that extra training with various scenarios and knowledge of certain mental health, socioeconomic and other various factors behind crimes cannot harm an officer.  They will only go out on the streets with more knowledge and more experience than the day before.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

It should be a concern, though.  If you know what you're dealing with, and you have experience from a professional perspective with lots of training under your belt, then you can learn ways to deescalate the situation as opposed to making it worse.  Being concerned with how to stop a certain crime from happening or escalating most definitely 100% ties into WHY it could possibly be happening and the potential scenarios.  This disconnect needs to stop.  Let's learn more about what makes people tick before we go out there and shoot them.

Lets say you are right. So out of a million cops protecting us across this nation do you think this a majority of cops that are acting in one way or another unprofessionally?

I can't say if it's the majority of cops because I am not a cop myself, nor am I involved in statistical data analysis of police shootings, etc.  I can, however, make an educated opinion about several incidents that have happened over time--not even in regards to what happened in Ferguson or NYC--that have fallen under scrutiny not just from the public but from other authorities as well.  I believe that extra training with various scenarios and knowledge of certain mental health, socioeconomic and other various factors behind crimes cannot harm an officer.  They will only go out on the streets with more knowledge and more experience than the day before.

Well I can easily say it is not a majority or even remotely close. What I see as a problem is the militarization of our police.

 

[Dee]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

It should be a concern, though.  If you know what you're dealing with, and you have experience from a professional perspective with lots of training under your belt, then you can learn ways to deescalate the situation as opposed to making it worse.  Being concerned with how to stop a certain crime from happening or escalating most definitely 100% ties into WHY it could possibly be happening and the potential scenarios.  This disconnect needs to stop.  Let's learn more about what makes people tick before we go out there and shoot them.

Lets say you are right. So out of a million cops protecting us across this nation do you think this a majority of cops that are acting in one way or another unprofessionally?

I can't say if it's the majority of cops because I am not a cop myself, nor am I involved in statistical data analysis of police shootings, etc.  I can, however, make an educated opinion about several incidents that have happened over time--not even in regards to what happened in Ferguson or NYC--that have fallen under scrutiny not just from the public but from other authorities as well.  I believe that extra training with various scenarios and knowledge of certain mental health, socioeconomic and other various factors behind crimes cannot harm an officer.  They will only go out on the streets with more knowledge and more experience than the day before.

Well I can easily say it is not a majority or even remotely close. What I see as a problem is the militarization of our police.

That is definitely one of the problems here as well, and a factor of the "who gives a shit why this happens?" mind set.  Hand them a high powered gun, armor, and the authority to shoot to kill for any reason they deem necessary and you bet your ass some cops will abuse that power.  It happens.  We've seen it happen recently, and it'll keep happening unless someone keeps calling it out.  We need to separate national security from local authority, first and foremost, and revamp the training tactics these police officers are required to undergo.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

It should be a concern, though.  If you know what you're dealing with, and you have experience from a professional perspective with lots of training under your belt, then you can learn ways to deescalate the situation as opposed to making it worse.  Being concerned with how to stop a certain crime from happening or escalating most definitely 100% ties into WHY it could possibly be happening and the potential scenarios.  This disconnect needs to stop.  Let's learn more about what makes people tick before we go out there and shoot them.

Lets say you are right. So out of a million cops protecting us across this nation do you think this a majority of cops that are acting in one way or another unprofessionally?

I can't say if it's the majority of cops because I am not a cop myself, nor am I involved in statistical data analysis of police shootings, etc.  I can, however, make an educated opinion about several incidents that have happened over time--not even in regards to what happened in Ferguson or NYC--that have fallen under scrutiny not just from the public but from other authorities as well.  I believe that extra training with various scenarios and knowledge of certain mental health, socioeconomic and other various factors behind crimes cannot harm an officer.  They will only go out on the streets with more knowledge and more experience than the day before.

Well I can easily say it is not a majority or even remotely close. What I see as a problem is the militarization of our police.

That is definitely one of the problems here as well, and a factor of the "who gives a shit why this happens?" mind set.  Hand them a high powered gun, armor, and the authority to shoot to kill for any reason they deem necessary and you bet your ass some cops will abuse that power.  It happens.  We've seen it happen recently, and it'll keep happening unless someone keeps calling it out.  We need to separate national security from local authority, first and foremost, and revamp the training tactics these police officers are required to undergo.

This we can agree on.

 

[+paradox]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

well, for one, there's so many laws in this country...

this country has become a state of everything is against the law...

and even things that aren't against the law cops are still telling americans that it is...

cops like to make up things too...

and the cops do get away with it because most americans either bow down to the cops and don't challenge them or the ones that actually know the laws and have a fighting chance, verbally... and even then they can still throw you on the grown, arrest you and claim that you assulted them or resisted arrest when you didn't...

fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jUU3yCy3uI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsJ3SVI1Vw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UqcY8lGUUE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5LK-jihgk

 

[Sinon]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

It should be a concern, though.  If you know what you're dealing with, and you have experience from a professional perspective with lots of training under your belt, then you can learn ways to deescalate the situation as opposed to making it worse.  Being concerned with how to stop a certain crime from happening or escalating most definitely 100% ties into WHY it could possibly be happening and the potential scenarios.  This disconnect needs to stop.  Let's learn more about what makes people tick before we go out there and shoot them.

I disagree. It's not the cop's job to care why that guy is robbing a bank or raping a baby. It's the cop's job to either prevent the crime, intervene to stop it from going further, or to take the person/s committing the crime into custody so that the people affected by it can sleep a little easier. Leave the psychiatric bullshit to the lawyers and judges. Why is that pimp slapping a prostitute? Who gives a fuck, he's not obeying the law. Why did that teenager pull a shotgun and kill 25 of his fellow schoolmates? Who gives a fuck, he's not obeying the law. Why is that dealer selling meth to 13-year-olds? You get the idea.

Caring about why the criminal is committing crime isn't going to do anything to prevent it.

 

[Dee]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

It should be a concern, though.  If you know what you're dealing with, and you have experience from a professional perspective with lots of training under your belt, then you can learn ways to deescalate the situation as opposed to making it worse.  Being concerned with how to stop a certain crime from happening or escalating most definitely 100% ties into WHY it could possibly be happening and the potential scenarios.  This disconnect needs to stop.  Let's learn more about what makes people tick before we go out there and shoot them.

I disagree. It's not the cop's job to care why that guy is robbing a bank or raping a baby. It's the cop's job to either prevent the crime, intervene to stop it from going further, or to take the person/s committing the crime into custody so that the people affected by it can sleep a little easier. Leave the psychiatric bullshit to the lawyers and judges. Why is that pimp slapping a prostitute? Who gives a fuck, he's not obeying the law. Why did that teenager pull a shotgun and kill 25 of his fellow schoolmates? Who gives a fuck, he's not obeying the law. Why is that dealer selling meth to 13-year-olds? You get the idea.

Caring about why the criminal is committing crime isn't going to do anything to prevent it.

Carig about why the criminal is committing the crime leads to understanding and possible use of different tactics to sway the criminal from doing it or continuing doing whatever crime it is.  I'm not saying they need to be therapists, but having a better understanding of the situations they face every day can help tremendously to prevent unnecessary use of excessive force, not just for the criminal's sake but for their sake as well.  I mean, what officer doesn't want to have extra helpful resources, knowledge, and experience that could potentially keep them safe physically and free from any legal blame?

 

[+paradox]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

It should be a concern, though.  If you know what you're dealing with, and you have experience from a professional perspective with lots of training under your belt, then you can learn ways to deescalate the situation as opposed to making it worse.  Being concerned with how to stop a certain crime from happening or escalating most definitely 100% ties into WHY it could possibly be happening and the potential scenarios.  This disconnect needs to stop.  Let's learn more about what makes people tick before we go out there and shoot them.

I disagree. It's not the cop's job to care why that guy is robbing a bank or raping a baby. It's the cop's job to either prevent the crime, intervene to stop it from going further, or to take the person/s committing the crime into custody so that the people affected by it can sleep a little easier. Leave the psychiatric bullshit to the lawyers and judges. Why is that pimp slapping a prostitute? Who gives a fuck, he's not obeying the law. Why did that teenager pull a shotgun and kill 25 of his fellow schoolmates? Who gives a fuck, he's not obeying the law. Why is that dealer selling meth to 13-year-olds? You get the idea.

Caring about why the criminal is committing crime isn't going to do anything to prevent it.

maybe so, but the police has rules and have to abide by the laws too yet they hardly ever receive punishment when they are in the wrong or used excessive/unnecessary force...

it's a total one sided scenario that became real world...

having such a one sided scenario is not safe for america or americans...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

When you go into the job thinking all criminals commit crimes because they feel they have a right to or just want to cause trouble, and don't bother to consider what may be the cause of why people do the things they do in the first place, then some cops certainly don't need to be on the job.  There is so much more complexity to keeping the peace than walking around with a gun strapped to your utility belt and laying down the iron fist.  I wholeheartedly agree that there are many situations that are too dangerous that require lethal force to be used--no doubt about that.  But I do feel there is much more room for police men and women to be trained better on how to handle certain situations with different, equally effective, less lethal tactics.

Training is always important. The choking of that man in New York shows that. But who cares why a criminal commits a crime. At least for the cop that should not there concern. There only concern should be how to stop it with what amount of force based on the crime happening.

well, for one, there's so many laws in this country...

Agreed but that does not make most cops bad or even a high percentage. Does not mean the problem is not growing because our own government is making them more militarized which gives them more authority. That needs to be reversed.

this country has become a state of everything is against the law...

This also I agree with strongly.

and even things that aren't against the law cops are still telling americans that it is...

Sure it happens but it is not some mass problem yet. We are on top of a hill and it could very soon go out of control if we do not reverse it.

cops like to make up things too...

Sure, but it is not a mass problem with the million cops who protect us.

and the cops do get away with it because most americans either bow down to the cops and don't challenge them or the ones that actually know the laws and have a fighting chance, verbally... and even then they can still throw you on the grown, arrest you and claim that you assulted them or resisted arrest when you didn't...

True most Americans act like sheep and do not bother to know the rights they have.