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The Muslim’s Conundrum

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Interesting quote.



One of the most succinctly put conundrums facing “moderate,” passive, non-violent Muslims was cogently put by Saba E. Demian in his Gatestone article of January 25th, “Europe’s Civil War: The Politics of Separateness.” In it he states:

One unanswered question is whether Islam is a religion of peace. First, the Arabic word Islam does not mean “peace” but an act of subjugation to God (Allah) and His will. Second, the basis and teaching of Islam is understood universally to consider non-Muslims as infidels. Third, infidels have to be wiped out [or compelled to submit to Islam and pay jizya or the protection tax] There is no gainsaying the word of Allah in the Koran, the hadith of the Prophet Muhammad and the shari’a. Thus, Muslims by birth or conversion, regardless of whether they are ultraconservative, moderates or secularists, are trapped in this vise-grip of enforcing the will of Allah on everyone, non-Muslim or Muslim, if they veer away from the straight and narrow. [Brackets mine]


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1. True. Islam means submission to Allah swt and His swt will.
You must read some dodgy sources to think that we even pretend it means anything else.
We greet each other with 'Peace be upon you.'

2. Wrong on all counts. Find a new source of information.

3. "There is no compulsion in religion"
Under an Islamic state the non-Muslims are given special rights and protection - one being immunity to having to fight for the state at times of war. They are not killed, nor are they harmed, nor are they second class citizens. They are subject to the laws of the land, same as everyone else for the most part. Though are exempt from some.
Jizya is paid in exchange for these rights.

You need a new source.
Maybe research Islam from the source and not your cherry picked hate sites, k?

And Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) knows best.
 
identityissues8 said:
1. True. Islam means submission to Allah swt and His swt will.
You must read some dodgy sources to think that we even pretend it means anything else.
We greet each other with 'Peace be upon you.'

2. Wrong on all counts. Find a new source of information.

3. "There is no compulsion in religion"
Under an Islamic state the non-Muslims are given special rights and protection - one being immunity to having to fight for the state at times of war. They are not killed, nor are they harmed, nor are they second class citizens. They are subject to the laws of the land, same as everyone else for the most part. Though are exempt from some.
Jizya is paid in exchange for these rights.

You need a new source.
Maybe research Islam from the source and not your cherry picked hate sites, k?

I was going to say... I've never encountered a Muslim person trying to "wipe me out" or force me to submit to Islam and pay a protection tax. :dontknow:
 
identityissues8 said:
1. True. Islam means submission to Allah swt and His swt will.
You must read some dodgy sources to think that we even pretend it means anything else.
We greet each other with 'Peace be upon you.'

2. Wrong on all counts. Find a new source of information.

3. "There is no compulsion in religion"
Under an Islamic state the non-Muslims are given special rights and protection - one being immunity to having to fight for the state at times of war. They are not killed, nor are they harmed, nor are they second class citizens. They are subject to the laws of the land, same as everyone else for the most part. Though are exempt from some.
Jizya is paid in exchange for these rights.

You need a new source.
Maybe research Islam from the source and not your cherry picked hate sites, k?

And Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) knows best.

Looking at the middle east we will have to strongly agree to disagree.
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What Would Muhammad Do?
Molotov Mitchell finds himself blown away by followers of 'the Prophet'


http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/wwmd-what-would-muhammad-do/
 
The Middle East is the Middle East. Islam is Islam.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges.

I'm not even bothering clicking your link.
Its going to be the usual drivel.
 
identityissues8 said:
The Middle East is the Middle East. Islam is Islam.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges.

I'm not even bothering clicking your link.
Its going to be the usual drivel.

And the middle east is Islam. I am afraid it is apples and apples or oranges and oranges. When the middle east modernizes then Islam will.
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
The Middle East is the Middle East. Islam is Islam.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges.

I'm not even bothering clicking your link.
Its going to be the usual drivel.

And the middle east is Islam. I am afraid it is apples and apples or oranges and oranges. When the middle east modernizes then Islam will.

you want the middle east to modernize? how can it when the west wont stop destroying it? :|

i think you meant to say that the united states and other western countries needs to get their head out of their asses and worry about themselves instead of killing women and children for profit...
 
+freezy said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
The Middle East is the Middle East. Islam is Islam.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges.

I'm not even bothering clicking your link.
Its going to be the usual drivel.

And the middle east is Islam. I am afraid it is apples and apples or oranges and oranges. When the middle east modernizes then Islam will.


you want the middle east to modernize? how can it when the west wont stop destroying it? :|

i think you meant to say that the united states and other western countries needs to get their head out of their asses and worry about themselves instead of killing women and children for profit...

We can stop bombing when the middle east wakes up and realizes there region is the problem and the cause of the havic and terror being caused across the globe. Maybe just maybe Jordan will be the first.

No, I meant what I meant. Not some fantasy we target women and children.
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
+freezy said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
The Middle East is the Middle East. Islam is Islam.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges.

I'm not even bothering clicking your link.
Its going to be the usual drivel.

And the middle east is Islam. I am afraid it is apples and apples or oranges and oranges. When the middle east modernizes then Islam will.


you want the middle east to modernize? how can it when the west wont stop destroying it? :|

i think you meant to say that the united states and other western countries needs to get their head out of their asses and worry about themselves instead of killing women and children for profit...

We can stop bombing when the middle east wakes up and realizes there region is the problem and the cause of the havic and terror being caused across the globe. Maybe just maybe Jordan will be the first.

No, I meant what I meant. Not some fantasy we target women and children.


yeah, blaming a region that barely has modernized weapons for being the cause of the havoc and terror across the globe, yeah sure, who told you that? fox news a bet...

the united states caused more havoc and terror in the last two decades than the whole middle east combined...
 
+freezy said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
+freezy said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
The Middle East is the Middle East. Islam is Islam.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges.

I'm not even bothering clicking your link.
Its going to be the usual drivel.

And the middle east is Islam. I am afraid it is apples and apples or oranges and oranges. When the middle east modernizes then Islam will.


you want the middle east to modernize? how can it when the west wont stop destroying it? :|

i think you meant to say that the united states and other western countries needs to get their head out of their asses and worry about themselves instead of killing women and children for profit...

We can stop bombing when the middle east wakes up and realizes there region is the problem and the cause of the havic and terror being caused across the globe. Maybe just maybe Jordan will be the first.

No, I meant what I meant. Not some fantasy we target women and children.


yeah, blaming a region that barely has modernized weapons for being the cause of the havoc and terror across the globe, yeah sure, who told you that? fox news a bet...

the united states caused more havoc and terror in the last two decades than the whole middle east combined...

If Fox did say it they would be 100% right.

Yup that giving freedom is just awful havic.
 
it's not our issue to spread our ideology upon people forcibly, and look how it worked out? horribly...

killing women and children is not causing havoc? please do tell...
 
+freezy said:
it's not our issue to spread our ideology upon people forcibly, and look how it worked out? horribly...

killing women and children is not causing havoc? please do tell...

It is when you are causing world wide terror.

Killing women and children is not what we do or target so spare me the lie that is what we purposely do.
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
+freezy said:
it's not our issue to spread our ideology upon people forcibly, and look how it worked out? horribly...

killing women and children is not causing havoc? please do tell...

It is when you are causing world wide terror.
like how america have been doing for how long now? :|

you can't expect people to be friendly towards you when you constantly kill them and destroy their land...




Killing women and children is not what we do or target so spare me the lie that is what we purposely do.
actually, killing women and children purposely is not a lie, it's true and documented... besides, purposely or not, america is guilty of such horrific tragedies...
 
Sorry Islamic radicals have been doing there thing long before we had to get involved on a large scale to believe that fantasy.

And aliens are controlling the world's governments
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Sorry Islamic radicals have been doing there thing long before we had to get involved on a large scale to believe that fantasy.

please do explain...
 
+freezy said:
TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
The Middle East is the Middle East. Islam is Islam.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges.

I'm not even bothering clicking your link.
Its going to be the usual drivel.

And the middle east is Islam. I am afraid it is apples and apples or oranges and oranges. When the middle east modernizes then Islam will.

you want the middle east to modernize?


Yeah...at the very least, we're still waiting for most parts of the Middle East to enter the 20th century, much less the 21st century... :whistle:
 
so, @webster, america is modernized yet kill the most people in the world... yet others are animals and barbarians? :s

do i need to make a thread and post all the crazy and insanely barbaric and grossly distasteful things that americans do to each other let alone to the world abroad? because i warn you, it's not going to be pretty...
 
Clearly they'd rather not know. :)
Look at their arguments, their ignorance makes them happy.
It's a bliss, is it not?
 
TRUE LIBERTY said:
identityissues8 said:
The Middle East is the Middle East. Islam is Islam.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges.

I'm not even bothering clicking your link.
Its going to be the usual drivel.

And the middle east is Islam. I am afraid it is apples and apples or oranges and oranges. When the middle east modernizes then Islam will.

If the middle east is Islam and apparently represents all people in that religion, why aren't all the other Muslims around the world acting as extreme as they are? Muslim people flee those countries everyday to escape the extremists.

I mean... I've had Muslim coworkers and they were all nice, pleasant people who wouldn't hurt a fly, let alone another person...
 
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