UN: LGBTQ Equality In America "Not Within Reach"

[PGen98]

I'm just trying to figure out what his answers are....

It's pretty simple, white knight for women and children who didn't ask for them to step in for them, proclaim a grand defense of their rights and scream as loud as possible until someone, anyone, believes them. Then mock the other side anytime logic and science come to the table.

 

[Webster]

It's pretty simple, white knight for women and children who didn't ask for them to step in for them, proclaim a grand defense of their rights and scream as loud as possible until someone, anyone, believes them. Then mock the other side anytime logic and science come to the table.

That's conservatism in a nutshell, Gen.

 

[PGen98]

That's conservatism in a nutshell, Gen.

Definitely not wrong!

 

[Webster]

Definitely not wrong!

And I should know for I used to be a conservative until Donald Trump became the GOP nominee in May 2016.

 

[PGen98]

And I should know for I used to be a conservative until Donald Trump became the GOP nominee in May 2016.

I'm sorry, that had to have been a hard, hard thing to witness.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

What we are witnessing is severe mental instability and a segment of the society that makes up excuses for them when they actually are in our kid’s classroom’s.

It’s a sign of a sick country crying for help.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And I should know for I used to be a conservative until Donald Trump became the GOP nominee in May 2016.

Now! Now! You were all over the place going back and forth but not quite conservative ever.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

That's conservatism in a nutshell, Gen.

I’m a bit more of a laissez-faire capitalist/libertarian with some conservative in me and it’s more like this.




Freedom is a tenable objective only for responsible individuals. We do not believe in freedom for madmen or children. The necessity of drawing a line between responsible individuals and others is inescapable, yet it means that there is an essential ambiguity in our ultimate objective of freedom. Paternalism is inescapable for those whom we designate as not responsible.

Milton Friedman

 

[PGen98]

What we are witnessing is severe mental instability and a segment of the society that makes up excuses for them when they actually are in our kid’s classroom’s.

It’s a sign of a sick country crying for help.

The huge breasts are over the top irrespective of if she's cis or trans, but the dehumanizing use of he to refer to a trans woman is totally uncalled for.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

The huge breasts are over the top



Quote: it’s a mentally screwed up individual!





irrespective of if she's cis or trans,



Quote: it’s a guy!




but the dehumanizing use of he to refer to a trans woman is totally uncalled for.



Quote: I speak reality, so more uncalled for coming.

 

[Webster]

*reads Serafin's comment*

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

*reads Serafin's comment*

Which part? We’ve been all over the place 😂

 

[Scarlet Rose]

Yes we do.

We actually don't. The way we perceive and understand reality is mediated through sociocultural

Our current society has the largest epidemic of mental illness the world has ever seen.

That is an unrelated topic.

Yes, we have always had a tiny segment of the population that has issues.

All around the world there have been different societies and cultures with different understandings. These have changed and altered through the passage of time. So historical context matters as well. At times there will be segments within any given society which do have issues. As there will be a mismatch between the hegemonic culture and their own lived experiences. When it comes to culture it isn't a simple one to one relation, but there can be lots of complicating factors.

There is no understanding it’s always been two. Anything is a birth defect.

Cross cultural and historical studies show that this is not the case.

No lack of anything you are making up fake history.

You are very clearly lacking in familiarity with cross cultural and historical studies. Otherwise you would be aware that gender shows variation in both.

Cultural differences yes not fake sexes.

I remind you we are talking about gender not sex, We haven't even gotten onto the topic of sex. At this rate we most likely never will.

Mumbo jumbo nonsense.

Enculturation refers to the process through which a person learns culture. More typically this refers to the dominant culture that a person acquires as their primary culture influences the way in which they learn additional cultures. But it can also apply to secondary ones. For instance if you start a new career and the way you learn the culture of that industry/workplace

Embodiment refers to the relationship between the sociocultural and our bodies. Depending on things like social and historical factors our bodies develop differently. This was shown with the work of Boas for instance when he studied children of immigrants to USA at the end of the 19th century. Growing up in a richer country with better nutrients and other environmental factors led to the children developing much more positively than their parents had. Epidemiologists also showed the same thing during WWII, children who were growing up during this times and especially in cities that were under siege. This had consequences for how their bodies developed.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

We actually don't. The way we perceive and understand reality is mediated through sociocultural

No it’s through reality and a healthy society not what you wish it to be.

That is an unrelated topic.

All around the world there have been different societies and cultures with different understandings.

Not when it comes to Biology, so no there hasn’t.

These have changed and altered through the passage of time.

No, no they haven’t.

So historical context matters as well.

You aren’t telling historical context, but this does seem to be the new agenda to come up with Excuses to butcher children as people fight back.

At times there will be segments within any given society which do have issues.

Yes we are seeing serious issues !

As there will be a mismatch between the hegemonic culture and their own lived experiences. When it comes to culture it isn't a simple one to one relation, but there can be lots of complicating factors.

To biology no it’s never been complicated in society before fantasy struck ours.

Cross cultural and historical studies show that this is not the case.

It shows no such thing.

You are very clearly lacking in familiarity with cross cultural and historical studies.

I’m lacking believing false narratives and remaking history.

Otherwise you would be aware that gender shows variation in both.

Not in the real world. The term gender itself is relatively new. This delusion, made up history and literally and figuratively a sickness.

I remind you we are talking about gender not sex, We haven't even gotten onto the topic of sex. At this rate we most likely never will.

Talking about gender and sex is the same thing. But hell we can discuss more science fiction.

Enculturation refers to the process through which a person learns culture. More typically this refers to the dominant culture that a person acquires as their primary culture influences the way in which they learn additional cultures. But it can also apply to secondary ones. For instance if you start a new career and the way you learn the culture of that industry/workplace

Fantastic you are trying to justify how people in certain cultures go about their lives and then add something that just never happened.

Embodiment refers to the relationship between the sociocultural and our bodies. Depending on things like social and historical factors our bodies develop differently.

Bodies develop differently for every single person on the planet but not biology, gender/sex.

This was shown with the work of Boas for instance when he studied children of immigrants to USA at the end of the 19th century.

Our society past and future are not boars. Some animals can actually change sexes but humans can’t and it’s not going to happen if ever naturally for tens of thousands of years.

Growing up in a richer country with better nutrients and other environmental factors led to the children developing much more positively than their parents had.

Your development effects health not who you are biologically/gender/sex.

Epidemiologists also showed the same thing during WWII, children who were growing up during this times and especially in cities that were under siege. This had consequences for how their bodies developed.

Health not biology/gender/sex🙄

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

It's pretty simple, white knight for women and children who didn't ask for them to step in for them, proclaim a grand defense of their rights and scream as loud as possible until someone, anyone, believes them. Then mock the other side anytime logic and science come to the table.

I missed this, yes grown adults are and should step in when when adults abuse children who are not yet capable of making their own decisions. So damn straight!

 

[Scarlet Rose]

No it’s through reality and a healthy society not what you wish it to be.

And the way we interpret reality is filtered through sociocultural and historical frameworks.

Not when it comes to Biology, so no there hasn’t.

It very much applies to biology as well. Understandings of biology have also shown cross-cultural and historical variation.

You aren’t telling historical context, but this does seem to be the new agenda to come up with Excuses to butcher children as people fight back.

I am simply stating that our understandings and perceptions will be subject to historical context.

To biology no it’s never been complicated in society before fantasy struck ours.

The relationship between biology and the sociocultural is actually very complicated. The two mutually constitute each other.

I’m lacking believing false narratives and remaking history.

Except you are erasing history. Whether you acknowledge it or not, the diversity and variance exists cross culturally and historically.

Not in the real world. The term gender itself is relatively new. This delusion, made up history and literally and figuratively a sickness.

Terms being new or not, does not refute their validity. It matters more what explanatory power they have for explaining phenomena or opening new avenues for understanding.

Talking about gender and sex is the same thing. But hell we can discuss more science fiction.

They are different. One refers to the sociocultural and the other refers to the biological.

Fantastic you are trying to justify how people in certain cultures go about their lives and then add something that just never happened.

I am providing definitions for words which you said were "mumbo jumbo". The examples I provided to define them had nothing to do with gender or sex.

Health not biology/gender/sex🙄

I wasn't talking about gender or sex with that part of my post. You accused me of making words up, so I simply provided examples to define them.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And the way we interpret reality is filtered through sociocultural and historical frameworks.

And yet society always knew we only have two sexes and it can’t change.

It very much applies to biology as well.

No, that’s fantasy, if cultures lived under our disturbing fantasy civilization would not have gotten very far.

Understandings of biology have also shown cross-cultural and historical variation.

Of how people lived, what they ate, who they took for partner’s and how many, etc but it NEVER made up fake sexes as a cultural standard.

I am simply stating that our understandings and perceptions will be subject to historical context.

I agree just not the same as you.

The relationship between biology and the sociocultural is actually very complicated. The two mutually constitute each other.

How people lived was complicated and the society around people but sex never was. People understand and they still do no matter how much they want to live in a fantasy.

Except you are erasing history.

No I’m stating fact about history not changing it for today’s agenda.

Whether you acknowledge it or not, the diversity and variance exists cross culturally and historically.

Not denying anything society in cultures is diverse but it never had a confusion about biology.

Terms being new or not, does not refute their validity.

It never happened so it does.

It matters more what explanatory power they have for explaining phenomena or opening new avenues for understanding.

Oh! I understand the agenda.

They are different. One refers to the sociocultural and the other refers to the biological.

There was no biological mix up.

I am providing definitions for words which you said were "mumbo jumbo".

And that’s my polite term for what it is.

The examples I provided to define them had nothing to do with gender or sex.

I wasn't talking about gender or sex with that part of my post. You accused me of making words up, so I simply provided examples to define them.

Well it sure seemed that since your determined to show fake history on cultures and biology.

 

[Scarlet Rose]

Not denying anything society in cultures is diverse but it never had a confusion about biology.

Except you have been consistently denying the historical and cross-cultural variation when it comes to how genders are understood and perceived.

There was no biological mix up.

You are the one who is literally trying to mix up biology and the sociocultural by saying they are the same thing. I have consistently maintained that while they have a constitutive relationship with each other they are not the same.

And that’s my polite term for what it is.

Are you saying that enculturation and embodiment are not real?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Except you have been consistently denying the historical and cross-cultural variation when it comes to how genders are understood and perceived.

Nothing to deny in terms of a society pretending to be a different sex and accepting that you are one because you felt that way never happened until now with a portion of the population.

You are the one who is literally trying to mix up biology and the sociocultural by saying they are the same thing.

Nothing to mix up it never happened in the world of biology. And yes the made up recent term of gender is the same as sex. You can’t physically be something you aren’t.

I have consistently maintained that while they have a constitutive relationship with each other they are not the same.

Sex and made up term gender, it’s the same.

Are you saying that enculturation and embodiment are not real?

I’m saying it’s all bullshit in past culture that sex was some fluid nonsense.

 

[PGen98]

I missed this, yes grown adults are and should step in when when adults abuse children who are not yet capable of making their own decisions. So damn straight!

I have to hand it to you, for someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about in this particular instance, you sure do push the dramatic vocabulary with tremendous consistency. Abuse, mutilation, fantasy. It's a great read!