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UN: LGBTQ Equality In America "Not Within Reach"

I do wonder if a child of a member of Serafin's family came out as trans if he'd be as dismissive and closed minded as he is, still. It's those who aren't impacted by it that are the most sternly against it, so...would be curious to see. :shrug:

"I'm a girl, I need to be a girl."
"No, you're a boy, go play football!"

If they only knew how horrifically crushing reactions like that are.
 
I do wonder if a child of a member of Serafin's family came out as trans if he'd be as dismissive and closed minded as he is, still.

You hate a lot but you don’t listen. I don’t care how you want to live your life. I’ve explained my stance on who I’m against in that world. You seem to think if you’re trans or gay you must automatically believe what you do and it ain’t the case. I know that narrow view people have drives my wife crazy if you are latin you must support Brandon.


It's those who aren't impacted by it that are the most sternly against it, so...would be curious to see. :shrug:

"I'm a girl, I need to be a girl."
"No, you're a boy, go play football!"

If they only knew how horrifically crushing reactions like that are.
 
You hate a lot
No, not at all. If you think I'm being hateful, I apologize, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the mindset of someone such as yourself.
but you don’t listen. I don’t care how you want to live your life. I’ve explained my stance on who I’m against in that world.
So yes, you would dismiss the view of a member of your family if they came out as trans? Sure you "don't care" how people live their lives, but what if, going back to that hypothetical, they wanted your acceptance, being family?
You seem to think if you’re trans or gay you must automatically believe what you do and it ain’t the case.
...you seem to think if you're trans or gay you must believe what you do? Just...what? I think the brain switched off about halfway through that sentence there, hon. I could wrap that back around on you -- you seem to think if you're conservative and closed minded you believe what you do. ...or...you don't? Not sure what you were heading for there, but most people tend to believe in the things they are...so...yes?
I know that narrow view people have drives my wife crazy if you are latin you must support Brandon.
I find it rather sad people still call him Brandon like it's clever. The guy's doing a good enough job of disgracing himself, he doesn't really need help there.
 
No, not at all. If you think I'm being hateful, I apologize, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the mindset of someone such as yourself.

I don’t even remotely mention you in any way why you believe why you do or why you choose to live the way you do. It has no business in any topic unless you choose to include it in that topic. But I notice in these topics when people are frustrated they have to include the personal in a topic. So yes you do and others do because it shows lack of will power when you are not getting your way in these discussions.




So yes, you would dismiss the view of a member of your family if they came out as trans?


I’m not going to be excited about it if they are a adult. But I’m not going to stop loving them any less or stop inviting them to family get togethers. That’s the lefts way with family when people don’t agree within their family.


Sure you "don't care" how people live their lives, but what if, going back to that hypothetical, they wanted your acceptance, being family?

Acceptance? No, but I’d still be there for them either way.



...you seem to think if you're trans or gay you must believe what you do?

No, lol! People are people no matter how you feel and no group is any one thing down the line just because you choose to sleep with one particular individual.


Just...what?

?



I think the brain switched off about halfway through that sentence there, hon.

Could be haven’t had a second cup of coffee, but I see your getting frustrated again not getting your way in a discussion.


I could wrap that back around on you -- you seem to think if you're conservative and closed minded you believe what you do. ...or...you don't?


Never have I mentioned any group of people is or should all believe in one certain thing.


Not sure what you were heading for there, but most people tend to believe in the things they are...so...yes?


I’m not sure what you mean or are referring to?


I find it rather sad people still call him Brandon like it's clever.


I say it because I hate the man. Cleverness has nothing to do with it, it’s to be absolutely disrespectful to the piece of shit.


The guy's doing a good enough job of disgracing himself, he doesn't really need help there.
But yet I’m happy to help the daughter rapist piece of crap along
 
I don’t even remotely mention you in any way why you believe why you do or why you choose to live the way you do. It has no business in any topic unless you choose to include it in that topic. But I notice in these topics when people are frustrated they have to include the personal in a topic. So yes you do and others do because it shows lack of will power when you are not getting your way in these discussions.
Frustration? I've been writing most of this with a smile on my face, but ok, then.
I’m not going to be excited about it if they are a adult. But I’m not going to stop loving them any less or stop inviting them to family get togethers. That’s the lefts way with family when people don’t agree within their family.




Acceptance? No, but I’d still be there for them either way.
I'm sure that would make them feel so loved.
No, lol! People are people no matter how you feel and no group is any one thing down the line just because you choose to sleep with one particular individual.
...you realize this has nothing to do with sleeping with anyone, right? Not a thing.
Word for word trying to understand what you said...so if it confused you, how do you think the rest of us feel?
Could be haven’t had a second cup of coffee, but I see your getting frustrated again not getting your way in a discussion.
I'd love to know how you read frustration into anything I've posted so far... :shrug:
Never have I mentioned any group of people is or should all believe in one certain thing.

I’m not sure what you mean or are referring to?
Getting lost in whatever it was you were trying to say the first time around, honestly...
I say it because I hate the man. Cleverness has nothing to do with it, it’s to be absolutely disrespectful to the piece of shit.



But yet I’m happy to help the daughter rapist piece of crap along
You stay classy, Serafin. ;)
 
Frustration? I've been writing most of this with a smile on my face, but ok, then.

How you express your frustration in front of a screen is up to you.



I'm sure that would make them feel so loved.


That’s up to each individual to decide.


...you realize this has nothing to do with sleeping with anyone, right? Not a thing.

This seems to be the only thing the left cares about and wants to share with everyone including children, so it does.




Word for word trying to understand what you said...so if it confused you, how do you think the rest of us feel?

I’m confused with this😂



I'd love to know how you read frustration into anything I've posted so far... :shrug:


I made pretty clear.


Getting lost in whatever it was you were trying to say the first time around, honestly...

You stay classy, Serafin. ;)

Definitely will do just that for leftists everywhere.
 
Fantasy
And
Fact😂
The sociocultural is by definition socially and culturally constructed. This applies too all of the sociocultural, not just gender. I am glad you agree that gender is socially and culturally constructed. We have one point of agreement now.
And you can’t.
Are you seriously arguing that we can not change our phenotype? When people do something as trivial as dying their hair they are changing their phenotype. When someone is in an accident and loses a limb their phenotype has changed. Our biology can also be mitigated. For instance certain eye defects can be overcome with glasses or laser eye surgery.
It really isn’t, this is brain issue.
The brain is also influenced by the sociocultural. The way it develops is a product of its sociocultural environment.

There have been numerous Native American cultures which had different understandings of gender. This applied both to how many genders are present in society, with a number holding that there are three genders. It also applied to people changing their gender.
Not in this reality
There are cultures which define gender based on social relations and other criteria like that. As I have already mentioned numerous times there is a large amount of historical and cross cultural variance when it comes to how people perceive and understand gender. There has been one such culture where the age of the person determined what their gender was. There has been another where your gender was tied to your material wealth. In this way it was possible for women to accumulate sufficient wealth and through this accumulation become men.
 
So your reporting something that is a actual product being bought by men that want to pretend to be women🤔
No, I'm reporting it 'cause its' a thinly-veiled attack against trans people, ya' simple-minded :censored: ......
 
The sociocultural is by definition socially and culturally constructed. This applies too all of the sociocultural, not just gender. I am glad you agree that gender is socially and culturally constructed. We have one point of agreement now.

No we don’t agree on a fake made up term.


Are you seriously arguing that we can not change our phenotype?

I’ve made it quite clear what we can not change at this point.



When people do something as trivial as dying their hair they are changing their phenotype.

Fantastic, not talking about death, we’re talking about people pretending.


When someone is in an accident and loses a limb their phenotype has changed.

Again fantastic, and not our dispute.


Our biology can also be mitigated.

No it can’t.




For instance certain eye defects can be overcome with glasses or laser eye surgery.


Comparing eye defects with pretending 😂



The brain is also influenced by the sociocultural. The way it develops is a product of its sociocultural environment.


Fantastic, still can’t change your biology, now maybe in the far, far future we can change our dna and this long lost conversation you can suddenly be right 😂




There have been numerous Native American cultures which had different understandings of gender.

Like every other culture male and female not a dude pretending to be a chick.



This applied both to how many genders are present in society,


Two.

with a number holding that there are three genders. It also applied to people changing their gender.


Which you can’t do.


There are cultures which define gender based on social relations and other criteria like that.


Nope! Gender is recently made up term.


As I have already mentioned numerous times there is a large amount of historical and cross cultural variance when it comes to how people perceive and understand gender.


There is no such thing no matter how times you repeat it.



There has been one such culture where the age of the person determined what their gender was.

No there hasn’t.




There has been another where your gender was tied to your material wealth.


Are we talking about a science fiction novel 😂



In this way it was possible for women to accumulate sufficient wealth and through this accumulation become men.


Never happened.
 
^^ See? It's that child going "Not listening! Not listening! No, you're wrong! You're wrong and I'm right!" That's totally how that reads! :rofl3:

Uh Uh No GIF by Boomerang Official


Denial on a Nixonian level.

It’s just simply fake history which is a popular agenda today for today’s political purposes.
 
And this sickness to change history is dangerous.
One of these days someone's gonna deck the hell outta' Matt Walsh and there ain't a jury in this world that'd vote to convict him of it.
 
No we don’t agree on a fake made up term.
You have yet to establish why it is an invalid term. Gender is a term which is widely used within popular and academic culture. As I have mentioned numerous times it is used during cross cultural and historical analysis. Most ethnographies and social research makes at least some mention of gender now. It is also used by people who themselves have quite widely differing political and theoretical stances.
I’ve made it quite clear what we can not change at this point.




Fantastic, not talking about death, we’re talking about people pretending.



Again fantastic, and not our dispute.
You made the claim that we cannot change our biology. I was simply demonstrating that we are able to change our biology on a phenotype level.
No it can’t.






Comparing eye defects with pretending 😂
You made the claim that we cannot mitigate our biology. The examples relating to eye defects demonstrate the mitigation of biology. Something you said we couldn't do.
Fantastic, still can’t change your biology, now maybe in the far, far future we can change our dna and this long lost conversation you can suddenly be right 😂
Except I have already highlighted numerous ways where we can change our biology. Earlier in our exchanges I also mentioned areas of research where we are becoming increasingly aware of the relationship between the sociocultural and the biological. The examples I gave were from research on immigrants to USA conducted by anthropologists which compared them to their parents and other studies which looked at the toll on children living through cities under siege during WWII. We also have research from neuroanthropology. and I would add medical anthropology, which looks at the relationship between brain development and sociocultural environments. So, no, you are wrong. There are concrete areas that we can change our biology on a phenotype level and in other areas we are increasingly gaining knowledge of the relationship between the sociocultural and the biological. Although as I acknowledged earlier it is quite complex so it is not a simple one to one relationship.
Like every other culture male and female not a dude pretending to be a chick.

There have also been cultures which have had three or more genders. A number of Native American cultures had three genders for instance.
Which you can’t do.
There have been cultures within which people were able to change their gender.
Nope! Gender is recently made up term.
This doesn't invalidate or repudiate the usefulness or value of the term. No does it disprove what it is being used to describe or explain.
There is no such thing no matter how times you repeat it.
Like I have already said, simply because you lack familiarity with cross cultural and historical data does not mean that it doesn't exist. No matter how much you deny it, the cross cultural and historical literature demonstrates that gender shows variance and diversity.
No there hasn’t.
Yes there has. Again, you not knowing about it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Are we talking about a science fiction novel 😂
No, different cultures conceive of and understand gender differently. The association between wealth and identity is not limited to gender either. There have also been instances where people could change their ethnicity through accumulation of wealth.
Never happened.
It has happened. Gender is about sociocultural understandings after all.
 
You have yet to establish why it is an invalid term.


We have sex, it’s a fake word to make up fake biology.


Gender is a term which is widely used within popular and academic culture.

So, doesn’t make real or needed. Academic elites have made themselves a hysterical joke.



As I have mentioned numerous times it is used during cross cultural and historical analysis.

It’s a recent fake term so no.


Most ethnographies and social research makes at least some mention of gender now.

I’m sure they do but past societies didn’t



It is also used by people who themselves have quite widely differing political and theoretical stances.

That insanity is quite clear.




You made the claim that we cannot change our biology. I was simply demonstrating that we are able to change our biology on a phenotype level.


I’ve gotten that clear 47 posts ago, and it’s nonsense.


You made the claim that we cannot mitigate our biology. The examples relating to eye defects demonstrate the mitigation of biology. Something you said we couldn't do.


We’re not talking about birth defects but the twist plot is a good one to makeup fake biology.


Except I have already highlighted numerous ways where we can change our biology.


And you are wrong on every level.


Earlier in our exchanges I also mentioned areas of research where we are becoming increasingly aware of the relationship between the sociocultural and the biological.

Trying to change society with fake science everyone is aware.



The examples I gave were from research on immigrants to USA conducted by anthropologists which compared them to their parents and other studies which looked at the toll on children living through cities under siege during WWII. We also have research from neuroanthropology. and I would add medical anthropology, which looks at the relationship between brain development and sociocultural environments.

Which still makes it impossible to change your biology.



So, no, you are wrong.

I’m not, but trying to confuse a public on faking biology is what it is.



There are concrete areas that we can change our biology on a phenotype level


Wrong. Can’t change our biology. But you let me know when a guy shoots out a baby from his ass.


and in other areas we are increasingly gaining knowledge of the relationship between the sociocultural and the biological.

We’re gaining a lot of something that’s for sure.


Although as I acknowledged earlier it is quite complex so it is not a simple one to one relationship.


It’s pretty simple when it comes to male and female. It couldn’t get any simpler.




There have also been cultures which have had three or more genders. A number of Native American cultures had three genders for instance.

Which is not three sexes it a birth defect.



There have been cultures within which people were able to change their gender.


Never happened, hence the push for a made up word.




This doesn't invalidate or repudiate the usefulness or value of the term. No does it disprove what it is being used to describe or explain.


It just makes it fake anthropology.



Like I have already said, simply because you lack familiarity with cross cultural and historical data does not mean that it doesn't exist. No matter how much you deny it, the cross cultural and historical literature demonstrates that gender shows variance and diversity.


I think I might start a drinking game every time you write like I already said and try to convince me a guy can become a woman 😂



Yes there has. Again, you not knowing about it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

No, different cultures conceive of and understand gender differently.


Nope, made up term from the 90s



The association between wealth and identity is not limited to gender either. There have also been instances where people could change their ethnicity through accumulation of wealth.


Neither happened but we got plenty of mentally ill people pretending to be black today world when they are white but it’s still fake.



It has happened. Gender is about sociocultural understandings after all.

The sickness is happening now yes.
 
It seems a confused society with some brain washing is confusing gender with and personality. Actually that is what’s happening.


 

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