UN: LGBTQ Equality In America "Not Within Reach"

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

You guys notice something. Opinions on the rest of LGBQ is unhinged but for some reason trans in particular are getting pushed back even though in recent times it was getting progress. I'm neutral to both sides but I wonder why trans rights specifically. Hmm.

Please give specifics on what is unhinged exactly and please provide quotes from politicians and people in power that makes it pushing back?

 

[Webster]

You guys notice something. Opinions on the rest of LGBQ is unhinged but for some reason trans in particular are getting pushed back even though in recent times it was getting progress. I'm neutral to both sides but I wonder why trans rights specifically. Hmm.

One thing they're now trying to do and divide the broader LGBTQ community over the issue of trans rights by trying to convince other groups within - namely the G and L components - into thinking that "if you support trans rights, you're eliminating rights for others within the community." Cases in points....

The rise of anti-trans "radical" feminists, explained

Known as TERFs, trans-exclusionary radical feminist groups are working with conservatives to push their anti-trans agenda.

www.vox.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/the-latest-form-of-transphobia-saying-lesbians-are-going-extinct/2021/03/18/072a95fc-8786-11eb-82bc-e58213caa38e_story.html

A Look at Transphobia Within the LGBTQ community

Note: This blog contains language and terms that may have changed in meaning over time, as well as some now considered slurs; they are used in their historical context in this blog. To fully serve the LGBTQ community and make America truly representative, we need to start by examining the...

victoryinstitute.org

 

[Vaeve]

Please give specifics on what is unhinged exactly and please provide quotes from politicians and people in power that makes it pushing back?

One thing they're now trying to do and divide the broader LGBTQ community over the issue of trans rights by trying to convince other groups within - namely the G and L components - into thinking that "if you support trans rights, you're eliminating rights for others within the community." Cases in points....

The rise of anti-trans "radical" feminists, explained

Known as TERFs, trans-exclusionary radical feminist groups are working with conservatives to push their anti-trans agenda.

www.vox.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/the-latest-form-of-transphobia-saying-lesbians-are-going-extinct/2021/03/18/072a95fc-8786-11eb-82bc-e58213caa38e_story.html

A Look at Transphobia Within the LGBTQ community

Note: This blog contains language and terms that may have changed in meaning over time, as well as some now considered slurs; they are used in their historical context in this blog. To fully serve the LGBTQ community and make America truly representative, we need to start by examining the...

victoryinstitute.org

Replying to you both in the same post. Idk how much you guys know about UK's politics, but recently there's like a campaign against trans people almost, and JK Rowling happens to be one of the advocates for it for whatever reason. Which is surprising in itself because she has liberal views on quite a few things. Which is what I'm saying, out of the LGBT group, acceptance levels for everyone except the 'T' is either consistent or increasing with the past, while trans specifically are being disliked.

There's also a statistic I saw that compares trans acceptance between 2016 and 2019. The 2016 one was much higher, and now the number has been declining. @Webster already gave some examples, but I'll provide a source for this UK thing if you want. The point is, I'm neutral to both sides, but I wonder why a specific part of the LGBT is being excluded.

Edit: Saw Webster's links again. That's one of the groups that are thriving in the UK; 'TERFs'.

 

[PGen98]

You guys notice something. Opinions on the rest of LGBQ is unhinged but for some reason trans in particular are getting pushed back even though in recent times it was getting progress. I'm neutral to both sides but I wonder why trans rights specifically. Hmm.

Because the right have turned trans people into a hot button issue because they can't and won't understand it. They did the same thing to gay and lesbian in the past (still happens today, but the point being they were the main targets the ), and now it's our turn. They don't understand what it is to be trans, so they fabricate ideas about trans people, spread the misinformation and try to set back our right to care and life saving surgeries. But it's ok, because we can't make the right uncomfortable...

 

[Vaeve]

Because the right have turned trans people into a hot button issue because they can't and won't understand it. They did the same thing to gay and lesbian in the past (still happens today, but the point being they were the main targets the ), and now it's our turn. They don't understand what it is to be trans, so they fabricate ideas about trans people, spread the misinformation and try to set back our right to care and life saving surgeries. But it's ok, because we can't make the right uncomfortable...

Yeah this is also true. The concept of LGB has existed for a long while now, basically it has gotten all the shit towards it already - Trans concepts are relatively newer than LGB, so I guess it's going through the same process, if that makes sense.

 

[PGen98]

Yeah this is also true. The concept of LGB has existed for a long while now, basically it has gotten all the shit towards it already - Trans concepts are relatively newer than LGB, so I guess it's going through the same process, if that makes sense.

Well, trans people have been around just as long as Gay and Lesbian people, but it's been far more under wraps until recent history.

 

[Vaeve]

Well, trans people have been around just as long as Gay and Lesbian people, but it's been far more under wraps until recent history.

Yup, that's why I specifically used the term "concept" while referring to both.

 

[Webster]

Because the right have turned trans people into a hot button issue because they can't and won't understand it.

Its' a culture war issue that they use to gin up votes and fear. Its' cheap but unfortunately effective.

 

[PGen98]

Its' a culture war issue that they use to gin up votes and fear. Its' cheap but unfortunately effective.

Unfortunately, yep, and they don't care who they hurt along the way.

 

[Webster]

Unfortunately, yep, and they don't care who they hurt along the way.

As long as they can "own the libs" they'll do it.

 

[Scarlet Rose]

Yes, I actually did. But okay I don’t think it has anything to do with if you think you have a dick or not or want to pretend you are a gender you can never be. Now sociocultural and mental issues I definitely think have a link. Which was the question I answered you didn’t like.

So you are saying there is no relationship between the biological and the sociocultural?

No it doesn’t, otherwise we would have no society today..

Except for the fact that it literally has shown cross cultural and historical variation. The way people understand and perceive genders has varied across cultures and throughout history. Your culture determines not only what values you attribute to the genders in society but also how many you believe are present.

No!

This is heavily influenced by sociocultural and historical factors but throughout a person's lifetime they can experience variation in regards to gender. This can often be referred to as stages of a person's life.

Creating words and thinking something you can never biologically can be is even remotely a good comparison

You accused me of inventing words and I simply pointed out that all words are invented.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Replying to you both in the same post. Idk how much you guys know about UK's politics, but recently there's like a campaign against trans people almost, and JK Rowling happens to be one of the advocates for it for whatever reason.


Which is surprising in itself because she has liberal views on quite a few things. Which is what I'm saying, out of the LGBT group, acceptance levels for everyone except the 'T' is either consistent or increasing with the past, while trans specifically are being disliked.

There's also a statistic I saw that compares trans acceptance between 2016 and 2019. The 2016 one was much higher, and now the number has been declining. @Webster already gave some examples, but I'll provide a source for this UK thing if you want. The point is, I'm neutral to both sides, but I wonder why a specific part of the LGBT is being excluded.

Edit: Saw Webster's links again. That's one of the groups that are thriving in the UK; 'TERFs'.

She isn’t against the trans community she is against a segment of the trans community targeting children. Just like the groups mentioned.


But my original question is not answered.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Yeah this is also true. The concept of LGB has existed for a long while now, basically it has gotten all the shit towards it already - Trans concepts are relatively newer than LGB, so I guess it's going through the same process, if that makes sense.

They brought the shit on themselves once they targeted children and women. But you got to gin it up, misdirect it like it’s about something else. It isn’t, it isn’t political.

 

[Vaeve]

She isn’t against the trans community she is against a segment of the trans community targeting children. Just like the groups mentioned.


But my original question is not answered.

"Please give specifics on what is unhinged exactly and please provide quotes from politicians and people in power that makes it pushing back?"

For the first one, I thought it was already clear lol. Basically LGB's support levels stay consistent, unlike Trans rights which is steadily declining, so the view on the former group is "unhinged/unchanged."

Second one about sources:

Spoiler

Tories trying to court transphobic voters, says ex-adviser

Boris Johnson’s U-turn over protecting trans people in the conversion therapy ban is an attempt to appeal to Tory heartlands, says Jayne Ozanne

www.opendemocracy.net

Anti-trans rhetoric is rife in the British media. Little is being done to extinguish the flames | CNN

Britain faces a critical shortage of workers, leading to fuel supply constraints, a run on petrol stations and unstacked shelves in supermarkets due to lack of staff or undelivered foodstuffs. Despite this immediate crisis affecting millions of people, "gotcha" questions on trans rights have...

edition.cnn.com

The 2nd link is particularly important, as I've heard from people I know in the UK about certain several agendas being pushed in the media.

They brought the shit on themselves once they targeted children and women. But you got to gin it up, misdirect it like it’s about something else. It isn’t, it isn’t political.

Honestly agreed on there. You simply do not try to educate children out of the blue about this lmao. I think that was their biggest blunder.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

So you are saying there is no relationship between the biological and the sociocultural?


Among real women and men there is.




Except for the fact that it literally has shown cross cultural and historical variation.



No!



The way people understand and perceive genders has varied across cultures and throughout history.



Once again men and women, not made up genders and people pretending. You can ask this in as many different ways as you want.



Your culture determines not only what values you attribute to the genders in society but also how many you believe are present.



Same answer as above.



This is heavily influenced by sociocultural and historical factors but throughout a person's lifetime they can experience variation in regards to gender.



Again actual men and women not believing something you can’t be.



This can often be referred to as stages of a person's life.


As mentioned already above repeatedly.




You accused me of inventing words and I simply pointed out that all words are invented.




You did just that invent words, well a group of people have not you, you just believe something that simply is not true.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

"Please give specifics on what is unhinged exactly and please provide quotes from politicians and people in power that makes it pushing back?"

For the first one, I thought it was already clear lol. Basically LGB's support levels stay consistent, unlike Trans rights which is steadily declining, so the view on the former group is "unhinged/unchanged."

Second one about sources:

Spoiler

Tories trying to court transphobic voters, says ex-adviser

Boris Johnson’s U-turn over protecting trans people in the conversion therapy ban is an attempt to appeal to Tory heartlands, says Jayne Ozanne

www.opendemocracy.net

Anti-trans rhetoric is rife in the British media. Little is being done to extinguish the flames | CNN

Britain faces a critical shortage of workers, leading to fuel supply constraints, a run on petrol stations and unstacked shelves in supermarkets due to lack of staff or undelivered foodstuffs. Despite this immediate crisis affecting millions of people, "gotcha" questions on trans rights have...

edition.cnn.com

The 2nd link is particularly important, as I've heard from people I know in the UK about certain several agendas being pushed in the media.



Honestly agreed on there. You simply do not try to educate children out of the blue about this lmao. I think that was their biggest blunder.

Still no answer on this question, you are giving how you feel.


"Please give specifics on what is unhinged exactly and please provide quotes from politicians and people in power that makes it pushing back?"

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Unfortunately, yep, and they don't care who they hurt along the way.

Only ones being hurt are women and children.

 

[Vaeve]

Still no answer on this question, you are giving how you feel.


"Please give specifics on what is unhinged exactly and please provide quotes from politicians and people in power that makes it pushing back?"

Lmao you absolute fucking putz. I just specified on what is unhinged and gave you sources. I also said I was neutral and agreed to one of your points. Do you not read what I posted?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Lmao you absolute fucking putz.

Happily, yes I probably am a putz😂





I just specified on what is unhinged and gave you sources.


No, you gave some link on some foreign sources in which I don’t live in. But you didn’t actually take the time to share any quotes of people who live here and actually affect policy and law in USA.



I also said I was neutral and agreed to one of your points. Do you not read what I posted?



I did.

 

[PGen98]

Only ones being hurt are women and children.

lol, no. But you go right on believing that.