UN: LGBTQ Equality In America "Not Within Reach"

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Which you are totally and completely correct on. I am confused as to how there can even be any debate about this. Gender is literally a term that came into existence to be defined against sex.

He isn’t, but it’s a smart tactic to confuse the stupid.

 

[PGen98]

He isn’t, but it’s a smart tactic to confuse the stupid.

So anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow-minded opinion on things is stupid? But we're supposed to take your arguments seriously when you offer nothing but sweeping generalizations and pseudoscience? Ok..

 

[Scarlet Rose]

He isn’t, but it’s a smart tactic to confuse the stupid.

The only area I would disagree with him is in the assertion that they are totally distinct concepts. As I believe that gender and sex both exercise influence on each other. In a real sense they mutually construct each other. The biological and sociocultural do not exist in separate realities after all. Although I suspect this is more a matter of nuance. Sex and gender are different concepts. One relates to sociocultural differences and the other refers to biological differences. Are you arguing that there is a direct relationship between culture and biology?

 

[Webster]

So anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow-minded opinion on things is stupid? But we're supposed to take your arguments seriously when you offer nothing but sweeping generalizations and pseudoscience? Ok..

She's right there.

 

[Webster]

As 99% of biologists will tell you.

And you would be wrong....

Science Says: Sex and gender aren't the same

WASHINGTON (AP) — Anatomy at birth may prompt a check in the "male" or "female" box on the birth certificate — but to doctors and scientists, sex and gender aren't always the same thing.

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Q: Aren’t sex and gender interchangeable terms?
A: Sex typically refers to anatomy while “gender goes beyond biology,” says Dr. Jason Rafferty, a pediatrician and child psychiatrist at Hasbro Children’s Hospital in Rhode Island, and lead author of the AAP’s transgender policy. Gender identity is more an inner sense of being male, female or somewhere in between — regardless of physical anatomy, he explained. It may be influenced by genetics and other factors, but it’s more about the brain than the sex organs.

And transgender is a term accepted across science and medical groups to mean people whose gender identity doesn’t match what Rafferty calls their “sex assigned at birth.”

Q: How early can people tell if they’re transgender?
A: It’s normal for children to explore in ways that ignore stereotypes of masculinity and femininity. Rafferty says it’s whether those feelings and actions remain consistent over time that tells. Sometimes that happens at a young age, while for others it may be adolescence or beyond. Regardless, the pediatricians’ policy calls for “gender-affirmative” care so that children have a safe, nonjudgmental and supportive avenue to explore their gender questions.

Q: What kind of care might they need?
A: Transgender people of all ages are more likely to be bullied and stigmatized, which can spur anxiety and depression and put them at increased risk for suicide attempts. For children, medicine to suppress puberty may be considered, to buy time as the youth grapples with questions of gender identity.

Q: Can’t a genetic test settle if someone’s male or female?
A: “It’s not like we’re going to find a magic transgender gene,” Rafferty says, noting that a mix of genes, chemicals and other factors contribute but is not well understood.

 

[Webster]

On certain topics, @PGen98 amd @Scarlet Rose, just remember the words of former American President Harry S. Truman....

 

[PGen98]

On certain topics, @PGen98 amd @Scarlet Rose, just remember the words of former American President Harry S. Truman....

Nothing's showing for me there, sadly @Webster

 

[Webster]

Nothing's showing for me there

Here's the quote by Truman...."I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them, and they think it's Hell."

 

[PGen98]

Here's the quote by Truman...."I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them, and they think it's Hell."

Appropriate, most definitely!

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And you would be wrong....

Science Says: Sex and gender aren't the same

WASHINGTON (AP) — Anatomy at birth may prompt a check in the "male" or "female" box on the birth certificate — but to doctors and scientists, sex and gender aren't always the same thing.

apnews.com

There the same.

Biologists in WSJ: Only Two Sexes, Male and Female, There is No Sex 'Spectrum'​

In a powerful commentary in the Feb. 3 edition of The Wall Street Journal, biologists Colin Wright and Emma Hilton explain that, scientifically, there are only two sexes, male and female, and there is no sex "spectrum." They also stress that "biologists and medical professionals" must stop being politically correct and "stand up for the empirical reality of biological sex."

With the phenomenon of some men saying they "identify" as women and some women saying they "identify" as men, or any "gender identity" combination therein, "we see a dangerous and anti-scientific trend toward the outright denial of biological sex," state the biologists Wright and Hilton.


This notion that there is a sex "spectrum," where people can choose "to identify as male or female," regardless of their anatomy, is irrational and has "no basis in reality," say the biologists. "It is false at every conceivable scale of resolution."

As they explain, "In humans, as in most animals or plants, an organism’s biological sex corresponds to one of two distinct types of reproductive anatomy that develop for the production of small or large sex cells—sperm and eggs, respectively—and associated biological functions in sexual reproduction."






"In humans, reproductive anatomy is unambiguously male or female at birth more than 99.98% of the time," they write. "The evolutionary function of these two anatomies is to aid in reproduction via the fusion of sperm and ova."
"No third type of sex cell exists in humans, and therefore there is no sex “spectrum” or additional sexes beyond male and female," state the biologists. "Sex is binary."



Furthermore, "the existence of only two sexes does not mean sex is never ambiguous," write Hilton and Wright. "But intersex individuals are extremely rare, and they are neither a third sex nor proof that sex is a 'spectrum' or a 'social construct.'"

Biologists in WSJ: Only Two Sexes, Male and Female, There is No Sex 'Spectrum'

In a powerful commentary in the Feb. 3 edition of The Wall Street Journal, biologists Colin Wright and Emma Hilton explain that, scientifically, there are only two sexes, male and female, and there is no sex "spectrum." They also stress that "biologists and medical professionals" must stop being...

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[WHO IS SERAFIN]

So anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow-minded opinion on things is stupid?

Let’s say misguided 😎

But we're supposed to take your arguments seriously when you offer nothing but sweeping generalizations and pseudoscience? Ok..

You can take it however you want.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

The only area I would disagree with him is in the assertion that they are totally distinct concepts. As I believe that gender and sex both exercise influence on each other. In a real sense they mutually construct each other. The biological and sociocultural do not exist in separate realities after all. Although I suspect this is more a matter of nuance. Sex and gender are different concepts. One relates to sociocultural differences and the other refers to biological differences. Are you arguing that there is a direct relationship between culture and biology?

As several people have pointed out to me in my real life and here I’m a bit black and white to everything I believe and how I deal with issues. culture has made this pretty black and white for 7 thousand plus years. It’s until the last decade or two our current culture and society in first world countries has been crumbling. Is it we have it to good and easy in society we’re desperate for something else? Is it the cities have become a growing wasteland for mental illness? Is it that we have had the weakest leadership this planet has ever seen for decades? I’m guessing it’s a bit of all of it.

 

[Scarlet Rose]

As several people have pointed out to me in my real life and here I’m a bit black and white to everything I believe and how I deal with issues. culture has made this pretty black and white for 7 thousand plus years. It’s until the last decade or two our current culture and society in first world countries has been crumbling. Is it we have it to good and easy in society we’re desperate for something else? Is it the cities have become a growing wasteland for mental illness? Is it that we have had the weakest leadership this planet has ever seen for decades? I’m guessing it’s a bit of all of it.

You haven't really addressed my question. I am wanting to know more directly what you are asserting is the relationship between gender and sex. You have said they are the same thing. The problem with this is about the biological differences and gender is about the social and cultural differences. It is a pretty big statement you are making which carries huge implications. In USA red used to be associated with boys and blue was associated with girls, it is now blue associated with boys and pink with girls. This is part of gender. Do you believe their biology changed? If not how can the gender change and not the biology if they are the same thing? Cross culturally different colours are associated with both. Does each culture have different biology?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

You haven't really addressed my question.

I have it just might not be the way you wanted the answer.

I am wanting to know more directly what you are asserting is the relationship between gender and sex. You have said they are the same thing.

And they are and answered above.

The problem with this is about the biological differences and gender is about the social and cultural differences. It is a pretty big statement you are making which carries huge implications.

It really doesn’t carry huge implications. Changing it to fit how someone feels, now that Carries huge implications.

In USA red used to be associated with boys and blue was associated with girls, it is now blue associated with boys and pink with girls.

Well I’m 52 so that’s even before my time.

This is part of gender. Do you believe their biology changed?

I don’t see it as part of gender. No, culture changed, style changed on what boys and girls like.

If not how can the gender change and not the biology if they are the same thing? Cross culturally different colours are associated with both. Does each culture have different biology?

I don’t except your premise or how you have come to that conclusion

 

[PGen98]

As several people have pointed out to me in my real life and here I’m a bit black and white to everything I believe and how I deal with issues. culture has made this pretty black and white for 7 thousand plus years. It’s until the last decade or two our current culture and society in first world countries has been crumbling. Is it we have it to good and easy in society we’re desperate for something else? Is it the cities have become a growing wasteland for mental illness? Is it that we have had the weakest leadership this planet has ever seen for decades? I’m guessing it’s a bit of all of it.

You do realize that gender dysphoria, trans people and indeed most LGBTQ+ "issues" have been around for as long as humanity itself has, right? The only thing that's changed is people finally having the societal freedom to feel comfortable enough to be open about their authentic selves instead of being forcibly repressed or sent to "conversion therapy." Now the right is getting mad and calling for the old ways, so they don't have to taint their precious eyes with our existence.

 

[Webster]

Now the right is getting mad and calling for the old ways, so they don't have to taint their precious eyes with our existence.

They did it with gay & lesbian people for decades and decades (I came out in July 1993, so I know a bit about the old bigotries) and now they're going after trans people. Its' sick and disgusting; worse, I get it from multiple sides because (a) I used to be a conservative and (b) I'm also a practicing Christian (Seventh-Day Adventist, if you must ask).

 

[PGen98]

They did it with gay & lesbian people for decades and decades (I came out in July 1993, so I know a bit about the old bigotries) and now they're going after trans people. Its' sick and disgusting; worse, I get it from multiple sides because (a) I used to be a conservative and (b) I'm also a practicing Christian (Seventh-Day Adventist, if you must ask).

It's definitely sick and disgusting, and the fact it's tolerated by anyone right-leaning is an utter disgrace. No one deserves hatred or abuse for something they can do nothing about. It's horrendous that this STILL carries on.

 

[Webster]

It's definitely sick and disgusting, and the fact it's tolerated by anyone right-leaning is an utter disgrace. No one deserves hatred or abuse for something they can do nothing about. It's horrendous that this STILL carries on.

There's a line of Scripture that comes to mind here; from Gen. 1:28 (ESV), " Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness."

There's no qualification there, PGen; we're instructed there (and elsewhere) to treat everyone with the respect and dignity due them as human beings, regardless of who or what they are. No exceptions.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

You do realize that gender dysphoria, trans people and indeed most LGBTQ+ "issues" have been around for as long as humanity itself has, right? The only the that's changed is people finally having the societal freedom to feel comfortable enough to be open about their authentic selves instead of being forcibly repressed or sent to "conversion therapy.". Now the right is getting mad and calling for the old ways, so they don't have to taint their precious eyes with our existence.

Yes I realize it.

The rest is just gibberish, repeated propaganda.
People aren’t out to get you or haul you away in a van to be changed. I really don’t care what you do as long as it doesn’t affect others lives. And this latest push by the trans mafia demands special rights because of how they feel and that’s more important than the lives they affect around them.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

There's a line of Scripture that comes to mind here; from Gen. 1:28 (ESV), " Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness."

There's no qualification there, PGen; we're instructed there (and elsewhere) to treat everyone with the respect and dignity due them as human beings, regardless of who or what they are. No exceptions.

That respect goes both ways including not hurting children.