UN: LGBTQ Equality In America "Not Within Reach"

[PGen98]

Of the Bromo-Seltzer variety, yep....

You're the antacid to his vitriol?

 

[Webster]

You're the antacid to his vitriol?

*shrugs* Well, someone has to keep him on the straight and narrow path....wait, let me re-write that: the straight gay and narrow path.

There, fixed it.

 

[PGen98]

*shrugs* Well, someone has to keep him on the straight and narrow path....wait, let me re-write that: the straight gay and narrow path.

There, fixed it.

Well, technically a path is bi-directional...so...the bi and narrow path?

Eh, keep it gay, gay's good!

 

[Webster]

Well, technically a path is bi-directional...so...the bi and narrow path?

Eh, keep it gay, gay's good!

 

[PGen98]

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Umm...no, it's not.

Definitely is.

Right, so the puberty blockers and the breast removal surgery...

Yes????

You keep saying this, but I'm not seeing the point in the context of what you're quoting...

We only have biological men and women

Ah, ok, so a teenager doing something to stop the mental torture associated with having something on their body that doesn't fit who they are is disfigurement, but to put a foreign object into their body to give them the illusion of making that area bigger is not? That's totally not hypocritical...

I’m against all of it and believe all of it should be illegal, so not understanding your post.

Again, the point of posting this?

Only biological men and women

Yes, please, READ the things you post, because...scary logic.

But it is correct

In this instance, I disagree, this is one surgery that can instantaneously ease suffering for someone,

No it can’t. But it’s ruining lives of people now that they are adults realizing they made a mistake.

and there IS a suitable option should they regret it.

And with the drugs and surgery they can never be what they really are completely ever again.

Would you rather have a dead teenager who couldn't bear the pain of living in a body that isn't who they are, or a teenager alive and more balanced because they did something to help align their body with who they are?

And it’s why we have rational mental help people for this and other issues that help people.

Trans males are male and they do indeed have them, hence the need to remove them.

They are women pretending to be men. It’s common sense.

Because the studies performed are always discredited as having too low of a study group, but trans people are such a small percentage of the population that larger study groups are near impossible...so...those studies will continue to be discredited,

Usually the study groups are paid by people that have a motivation to make millions off butchering children.

in spite of the fact that they continuously show an exceptionally low level of regret amongst trans males who have top surgery.

Not from what I’m seeing.

Why? Because a male wants rid of decidedly female secondary sexual characteristics? Would you say the same to a teenage boy with gynocomastia? Sorry, kid, you can't get rid of those, you're mutilating your body!

Not even remotely the same, it’s a actual medical problem like cancer a boy should not have become of environmental factors and their diet.



Quote: is an increase in the amount of breast gland tissue in boys or men, caused by an imbalance of the hormones estrogen and testosterone.

...again with the ignorance.

Being correct

I truly hope one day you can educate yourself on what trans actually is, because your view of it is so far off base.

I truly hope when we look back on this actual insanity it never happens again.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I think what he's trying to say is that (a) there are only two sexes (male & female) and that gender is irrevocably connected to sex.

Bingo!

To borrow a quote from The Wire, "Serafin would rather live in shit than admit to the world that he's wrong about something."

The real world not some fantasy most teenagers think the world is or they want it to be.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Which is proven time and time again not to be true, but I appreciate his stubbornness. The need to constantly repeat it, though, is lost on me.

Fair point, stubborn knows no bounds.

It never has been because it’s not possible. Still waiting for a guy to have a child and change their chromosomes with our biology discussion.

Being correct knows no bounds.

 

[PGen98]

Definitely is.

It just isn't...those clinics treat gender dysphoria, they don't treat it with genital surgery on minors. It simply isn't a thing, no matter how many right wing scare sites crop up telling everyone otherwise. Also, that gender mapping project has successfully turned numerous clinics and childrens hospitals into targets of threats of violence, so great job by that group. Now hospitals that treat everything are having to go on alert because right wing morons don't understand what it is to treat gender dysphoria in minors.

Yes????

We only have biological men and women

So you say...

I’m against all of it and believe all of it should be illegal, so not understanding your post.

Because you're saying one is different from the other, they simply aren't.

Only biological men and women

But it is correct

Double your pleasure, double your fun, double the wrongness with double-messages...

No it can’t. But it’s ruining lives of people now that they are adults realizing they made a mistake.

Again, highlighting select cases where people regretted transitioning does not mean it's not overwhelmingly successful for the vast majority of trans people.

And with the drugs and surgery they can never be what they really are completely ever again.

...and yet they can still be men or women, reproduction does not make them more or less of a man or woman.

And it’s why we have rational mental help people for this and other issues that help people.

...yet you all on the right say it's the mental health professionals that are pushing more and more kids into it. So...make up your minds?

They are women pretending to be men. It’s common sense.

No, they aren't.

Usually the study groups are paid by people that have a motivation to make millions off butchering children.

lol, ok.

Not from what I’m seeing.

Well, yeah, right wing scare sites don't really dabble in fact.

Not even remotely the same, it’s a actual medical problem like cancer a boy should not have become of environmental factors and their diet.

...you think gynocomastia is caused by improper diet? Mmmkay. Pretty big difference between man boobs and breasts, hon.

Quote: is an increase in the amount of breast gland tissue in boys or men, caused by an imbalance of the hormones estrogen and testosterone.

Correct, but something they grew naturally and therefore is a part of their body they're supposed to have...so by your own logic it's mutilation to remove them.

Being correct

I truly hope when we look back on this actual insanity it never happens again.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't some "plague" happening, trans people have always existed, it's just that now the right has decided to make it the cause of the moment, so *gasp* look at these atrocities as people have access to the help they need!

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

It just isn't...those clinics treat gender dysphoria, they don't treat it with genital surgery on minors.

Yes they do!

It simply isn't a thing,

It is

no matter how many right wing scare sites crop up telling everyone otherwise.

You mean facts

Also, that gender mapping project has successfully turned numerous clinics and childrens hospitals into targets of threats of violence, so great job by that group.

Saved children. And thank you.

Now hospitals that treat everything are having to go on alert because right wing morons don't understand what it is to treat gender dysphoria in minors.

Don’t butcher children for money, just don’t butcher children

So you say...

I know

Because you're saying one is different from the other, they simply aren't.

Common sense, they are.

Double your pleasure, double your fun, double the wrongness with double-messages...

I’ll triple my rightness 😂

Again, highlighting select cases where people regretted transitioning does not mean it's not overwhelmingly successful for the vast majority of trans people.

And yet no actual proof to show hurting children ever is a plus.

...and yet they can still be men or women, reproduction does not make them more or less of a man or woman.

And yet the stories coming out from the butchered are saying otherwise

...yet you all on the right say it's the mental health professionals that are pushing more and more kids into it. So...make up your minds?

As we know every field from trash man to president has bad people. It’s up to parents to find the ones who can do the job they are hired to do properly. Mind made up!

No, they aren't.

They are

lol, ok.

See, keep saying that and you will get it eventually 😂

Well, yeah, right wing scare sites don't really dabble in fact.

In this case they do.

...you think gynocomastia is caused by improper diet? Mmmkay. Pretty big difference between man boobs and breasts, hon.

Partially yes, no actually I know, because of a family member and the doctor that treated him. Hormones in meat, pesticides in foods, poor eating habits, our environment in general.

Correct, but something they grew naturally and therefore is a part of their body they're supposed to have...so by your own logic it's mutilation to remove them.

No it’s not grown naturally.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't some "plague" happening, trans people have always existed,

This isn’t about trans existence and how long or stopping grown adults from being Tran. This is about disfigurement of children.

it's just that now the right has decided to make it the cause of the moment, so *gasp* look at these atrocities as people have access to the help they need!

Because they are learning about the damage being done to children. At least the lockdowns and school shutdowns did some good

 

[PGen98]

Yes they do!

17 with parental approval, that's still technically a minor, yes, but you're making it sound like they're performing genital surgery (which a hysterectomy isn't...) on children. That's just not the case. I will say I feel it should just be 18+ and it's a bit iffy at 17, yes, but to go from "OMG, they're mutilating children!!" to "meh, I don't care, you're an adult do what you want" just because they include 17 (with parental consent), then you're really grasping at straws for the shock factor.

So, no, they aren't performing genital surgery on children, thanks for proving that.

It is

It's not, you just proved it.

You mean facts

No.

Saved children. And thank you.

Yes, saving children by calling in bomb threats on hospitals that house cancer patients, kids going in for dialysis, chronically ill children, children getting transplants. SO helpful to do that all because the right wing doesn't know what it is to treat gender dysphoria.

Don’t butcher children for money, just don’t butcher children

...and they don't...

I know




Common sense, they are.

They just aren't...

I’ll triple my rightness 😂

It must be fun living in opposite land.

And yet no actual proof to show hurting children ever is a plus.

...because no one is "hurting" these children.

And yet the stories coming out from the butchered are saying otherwise

It's easy to spin it when it matches your narrative, isn't it?

As we know every field from trash man to president has bad people. It’s up to parents to find the ones who can do the job they are hired to do properly. Mind made up!

Ah, ok. So it's the industry's fault until it's the answer you need to use to spin your story, then it's a matter of just doing your research. Got it.

They are

Forgot the n't there.

See, keep saying that and you will get it eventually 😂

I could never grasp the mindset of someone who jumps into something knowing nothing about it at all and proceeds to try to say what is and isn't right in that subject. But ok.

In this case they do.

No, you even showed they don't.

Partially yes, no actually I know, because of a family member and the doctor that treated him. Hormones in meat, pesticides in foods, poor eating habits, our environment in general.

In that rare case, sure, but most causes of gynecomastia are not caused by outside factors, hence, naturally occurring.

No it’s not grown naturally.

In that case, correct, in most others, no.

This isn’t about trans existence and how long or stopping grown adults from being Tran. This is about disfigurement of children.

No it isn't, this is about the subject of the moment for the right. It's all it's ever been about. They'll find a shiny new subject soon and start pouncing on that, but trans people will still be trans people, trans children will still be trans children, and no amount of spreading false information and making bomb threats is going to change that. As much as the right loves to incorrect people on this issue (thanks, Steve Hofstetter, stealing your term there), it's just not something that is happening in the way they say it is, and forcing false narratives isn't going to make it so.

Because they are learning about the damage being done to children. At least the lockdowns and school shutdowns did some good

That's true, denial of service to get help in a critical need is damaging children.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

17 with parental approval, that's still technically a minor, yes, but you're making it sound like they're performing genital surgery

Not technically, it is and they are doing it at much younger ages. As the video says it means women can no longer have children if they decide they made a mistake. So I’m not making it sound like it, it is.

(which a hysterectomy isn't...) on children.

It is.

That's just not the case.

Wrong!

I will say I feel it should just be 18+

Okay? Then why are you disputing this with me? Don’t touch children until they are adults and then they can decide as a adult.

and it's a bit iffy at 17, yes, but to go from "OMG, they're mutilating children!!"

It’s mutilation as a kid and it’s mutilation as a adult but it’s your free decision as a adult.

to "meh, I don't care, you're an adult do what you want"

Exactly! I don’t care just don’t use tax payers money like some states are doing

just because they include 17 (with parental consent), then you're really grasping at straws for the shock factor.

Shock factor is the least of my concerns with minors at all ages starting at 13

So, no, they aren't performing genital surgery on children, thanks for proving that.

No, it is and yes it’s proven they are doing it in multiple states.

It's not, you just proved it.

I proved they are ruining childrens lives, yes.

No.

Yes.

Yes, saving children by calling in bomb threats on hospitals that house cancer patients, kids going in for dialysis, chronically ill children, children getting transplants.

And they should be found and arrested. And then the hospital staff with all involved with hurting children should be next.

SO helpful to do that all because the right wing doesn't know what it is to treat gender dysphoria.

Mental illness, we’ve been treating people with mental issues for some time.

...and they don't...

They do.

They just aren't...

But they are.

It must be fun living in opposite land.

Many things are fun😎

...because no one is "hurting" these children.

Hurting and destroying their future

It's easy to spin it when it matches your narrative, isn't it?

It’s easy to recognize evil.

Ah, ok. So it's the industry's fault until it's the answer you need to use to spin your story, then it's a matter of just doing your research. Got it.

About time 😆

Forgot the n't there.

??

I could never grasp the mindset of someone who jumps into something knowing nothing about it at all and proceeds to try to say what is and isn't right in that subject. But ok.

I could never grasp the mindset of someone who thinks hurting children for their own personal and political agenda, so there you go.

No, you even showed they don't.

Not in this reality.

In that rare case, sure,

Many cases.

but most causes of gynecomastia are not caused by outside factors, hence, naturally occurring.

They are and almost all.

In that case, correct, in most others, no.

Almost all.

No it isn't, this is about the subject of the moment for the right.

No it’s about protecting a young generation that is still maturing.

It's all it's ever been about.

Afraid not.

They'll find a shiny new subject soon and start pouncing on that, but trans people will still be trans people, trans children will still be trans children, and no amount of spreading false information and making bomb threats is going to change that.

They give plenty of ugly very unpolished objects that ruin everything they touch to fight for.

As much as the right loves to incorrect people on this issue (thanks, Steve Hofstetter, stealing your term there),

If you mean calling people by their actual sex/gender yes. Still waiting for a guy to give birth.

it's just not something that is happening in the way they say it is, and forcing false narratives isn't going to make it so.

It’s probably worse.

That's true, denial of service to get help in a critical need is damaging children.

Nobody is denying anybody anything except to stop evil doctors and hospitals from permanent damage of a minor.

 

[Webster]

And they should be found and arrested. And then the hospital staff with all involved with hurting children should be next.

Given today's political environment, there ain't a jury in America that'd convict.

 

[PGen98]

It really is like smacking your head against a wall with him, eh @Webster? Astounding levels of ignorance and stubbornness.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Given today's political environment, there ain't a jury in America that'd convict.

Oh! This evil sickness is going to be illegal in many states soon and there are hundreds of millions of parents that would.


At least these two can make talk about this evil and give you a good laugh.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

It really is like smacking your head against a wall with him, eh @Webster? Astounding levels of ignorance and stubbornness.

I don’t fall for crazy stupid, evil shit on children. You ain’t going to get a supporter of butchering children here. You might as well smack your head on a wall until you are unconscious.

This ain’t helping anybody it’s enabling a sickness. And it’s not just hurting the person who has issues but it’s hurting other people who allow this madness. One example of many.

 

[PGen98]

What the hell do the Hodge twins know about gender affirming care? Couple of idiots.

 

[PGen98]

Also to call it a mental illness is disgustingly dismissive.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

What the hell do the Hodge twins know about gender affirming care? Couple of idiots.

They don’t need to know anything just have common sense and listen to the very lady describing the procedures to dismember a healthy child.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Also to call it a mental illness is disgustingly dismissive.

It’s called reality which is sorely lacking in today’s society.