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I’m going to step out of this thread. Too unbearable as someone who is a woman and born in China predicting myself to be treated in such a way. I also have a disability and am sensitive to insults.
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I think the saddest part about this whole thing is that the people who voted for him will be hurting the most and I honestly can't enjoy the schadenfreude because as the end of the day these people are largely exploited, either because they are mentally ill, woefully illiterate and uneducated and subject to propaganda, or they, where the "bros" are concerned are kids looking for a father figure in podbros on platforms like Rumble and ManoSphere, etc like Kevin Samuels (even though he's dead) and Joe Rogan, et. al, when they came from homes where their fathers were just as toxic and abusive they normalized these traits, and sought it out in others.
The fact that Trump is a malignant narcissist and so many men see themselves in him is telling.
The man was abusive to his family and came from one as well and within his, it is obvious regarding who is in what role where the kids are concerned.
Ivanka = Golden Child and love of her father's life (even though narcs don't love anyone other than supply.)
DJT = Scapegoat and disappointment.
Eric & Tiffany = Invisible.
Barron = Trump did say he was Melania's son, so apparently she reproduced him asexually.
Each of his wifes were the supply when he was married to the previous wife.
And then there isJigsaw Loomer.
The worst part of it all, is that his voters will get exactly what they voted for and they will the ones hurt the most because of it. When Trump was talking about how he was going to MAGA he wasn't talking about for his voters, he was talking about his donors and fellow wealthy child traffickers.. but his voters voted for him because they hate the same people.. others, and themselves but were willing to be participants in their own oppression.
Fredrick Douglass once said "Knowledge Unfits A Man To Be A Slave" so when Trump said that he loved the uneducated, he was stating his intent and his voters went for it hook, line and sinker again.
I've seen so many posts from MAGA having voter's remorse because they didn't know what they were voting for and forgot how bad things were under Trump.. and now things will get worse for them.. and the racism has been directed at the BIPoC supporters as well.
As I said, I can't enjoy the irony and genuinely feel bad for them even though they'd like to see people like me dangling from a tree like I was in a Billie Holliday song.
You really hate to see it.
The fact that Trump is a malignant narcissist and so many men see themselves in him is telling.
The man was abusive to his family and came from one as well and within his, it is obvious regarding who is in what role where the kids are concerned.
Ivanka = Golden Child and love of her father's life (even though narcs don't love anyone other than supply.)
DJT = Scapegoat and disappointment.
Eric & Tiffany = Invisible.
Barron = Trump did say he was Melania's son, so apparently she reproduced him asexually.
Each of his wifes were the supply when he was married to the previous wife.
And then there is
The worst part of it all, is that his voters will get exactly what they voted for and they will the ones hurt the most because of it. When Trump was talking about how he was going to MAGA he wasn't talking about for his voters, he was talking about his donors and fellow wealthy child traffickers.. but his voters voted for him because they hate the same people.. others, and themselves but were willing to be participants in their own oppression.
Fredrick Douglass once said "Knowledge Unfits A Man To Be A Slave" so when Trump said that he loved the uneducated, he was stating his intent and his voters went for it hook, line and sinker again.
I've seen so many posts from MAGA having voter's remorse because they didn't know what they were voting for and forgot how bad things were under Trump.. and now things will get worse for them.. and the racism has been directed at the BIPoC supporters as well.
As I said, I can't enjoy the irony and genuinely feel bad for them even though they'd like to see people like me dangling from a tree like I was in a Billie Holliday song.
You really hate to see it.
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I said this earlier and I'll repeat it: at the end of the day, you have to provide for the people, to be able to appeal to and provide for the basic needs of the people and those needs are simple - making sure they're able to provide for their families, making sure they have jobs, making sure the necessities of life are available and not expensive as they are at present - that first level Maslow spoke of in his Hierarchy of Needs.
Meet those and people will listen to you; don't meet them and people will tune you out. And whatever you do, don't come off as fake or inauthentic or insensitive to people because people can spot bullshittery a mile away out of a politician (especially when they try to look/be authentic and can't pull it off (Kamala's time on the Call Her Daddy podcast comes to mind here along with not going on Joe Rogan's podcast late in the campaign). On his podcasts, Jim Cornette has said the best politicians and the best wrestlers have one thing in common - they're able to talk and draw people in and they're able to perform when it counts, especially if its' not something regularly done or on either short notice/unfamiliar ground.
The Al Smith Dinner was another good example; Trump might've been (and was) his usual vulgar self but he showed up and he spoke. Where was Kamala; she didn't have to send a taped message to them; she could've just easily have showed up there as she did at her sorority meeting. Even Hillary, as bad a candidate as she was in 2016, showed up. Sometimes, you have to bite the bullet and go in front of people you might not agree with and who might not vote for you but you go there anyway.
That's part of winning a campaign; showing up at times when you know you're not going to be in front of a friendly audience. One of the reasons I was a Republican for nearly two decades (Aug. 1993 to May 2016) was because I never, except for one time, ever saw a major Democratic candidate show up in my little bit of Western NC; by contrast, Republicans would show up. Every. Single. Election. You'd be surprised how many people will still remember those times and they vote accordingly. I;'ve often said to fellow Dems' that even if and when they lose in conservative areas, go ahead and show up anyway; you might get a few extra percent on election night and that might help other Dems' up and down the ballot.
As for the typical Trump voter, Angel, I go back to something I said to you over at Talk Nexus; I think you'd asked me that question and I'll repeat as close as possible what I said there. The typical Trump voter, for the record, is not a raging bigot, homophobe, sexist, etc., Deplorable piece of garbage. The typical Trump voter is someone worrying how they're gonna put food on the table and provide for their job; they're wondering if their job's gonna be outsourced 'cause the bosses' are trying to fatten up the bottom line; they're worried about the cost of food and gas and utilities; they're worried their son/daughter is going to be sent off to fight and possibly die overseas in some conflict w/out a clear justification or reason for being there, etc.
They see the candidates and on the one hand they see a woman who's likely to send their kids off to fight/die somewhere for no discernible reason, who's gonna jack up their gas prices and utility bills and make it harder to provide for their families vs. arguably the most vulgar clown to ever sit in the White House yet they still remember during his time in office that gas prices were lower, utilities were lower, it was easier to provide for your family, our brave men/women weren't being asked to fight and die in every place around the world, etc.,etc.,....and people remembered that and they wanted to go back to that, damn the consequences.
Yes, it sucks that Donald Trump won but guess what? America survived 2017-2021; we will survive the next four years. I will say this and then I'll finish this little mini-rant/political treatise: if the next Democratic nominee does the below, I suspect they might draw a lot of those voters who went Republican this year back.....
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I know we will survive this, I have no doubt. But I think there would be less finger pointing among the people if everyone knew how to read the exit poll data rather than getting into their feelings over who voted what way.
The polls show that Harris got support from white voters also. The more educated they were, the more they were likely to vote for her and they did. She pulled support from Trump among those who attended college whether they had a degree or not.
The bulk of Trump's supporters are not these people.. they are a diverse bunch. Yes, they are downtrodden, and feel left behind, but they are also uneducated and abused and because they are uneducated, they don't understand why and so their anger is misdirected. It wasn't too long ago before BIPoC were in the same position.. my ancestors likely would have been in the same position these people are, if not for the Great Migration.. my GGM had her home burned down by the Klan and she fled NC to NY for that reason and used to clean houses for Jews and Italians up here.
This is the same story of all Black people who fled the South as well.
So I get it, and honestly, I wouldnt be surprised if this led to another northbound migration under Trump. I mean the number of highly educated people out there so angry that they miss this simple point and still don't see the problem is embarrassing.. but then again, maybe they are still angry and emotional about the election and that might be clouding their judgment too.
The fact that 54% of adults in this country are illiterate is a major factor too they cannot read above 6th grade level. And as I have said before, of that 54% 15% can't read above 3rd grade level. I don't think these people are stupid, they are the victims of their states and political leaders intentionally miseducating and abusing them. The states that went for Trump are the most religious, and least educated in the union.. and they are circling the drain on every other important metric out there as well. These voters said that Harris had no policy, but the truth is that they likely couldn't read it let alone understand it. I speak both English and Spanish, but if you put something written in Greek in front of me, I won't know how to read it either.. this is what is at the heart of this issue. Education is a human right, but red states treat it as a privilege. These people dont even realize that the so called elite that they are so against, are the ones they keep voting into office.
I think that these people, much like those kids who feel left behind and were radicalized and misinformed can be reached.. and probably sooner since many of them didn't know anything about what they were voting for other than Trump promising to fix everything. They seem to have voters remorse now.
Another issue is that it seems that white women are now waking up to the fact that they really don't mean shit to their men either. Which is sad, but is something we knew from the get go. African leaders rode into battle with their wives so that she didn't fall prey to the monsters. The same was true with the American Indigenous as well.. but white women weren't much more than a broodmare and a means to an end for White Supremacy and as a woman, I feel bad for them too. The fact that a caveman is always depicted as a white man dragging "his" unconcious woman by her hair and carrying a club is telling.. and the way they ran their households in past and present times and how they are acting now since Trump won is no different. White men have always hated their women and now the women are finally realizing that.
As I have been saying, yes, it sucks that Harris lost, but there is a lot to learn from this election, and the bottom line here, is that there is a bunch we can do to fight back, and to counter the GOP's media ecosystem, but first we should start with reaching out to those who were misinformed, and show compassion to those exploited and given the voters remorse on that side since this election, I am willing to bet that it might be happening soon.. either way its worth a shot.
But BIPoC people are tired. Every election white people vote for their own interests and say fuck everybody else and then turn around and expect us to rescue the country, clean it up, coddle you while doing so and then you claim to stand with us, but stab us in the back yet again and then go about your happy white life. Case in point, Susan B. Anthony and the suffragettes successfully campaigned against voting rights for Black people in the South, after getting theirs secured in the North. White people have always been fairweather allies and we are done. We put our blood, sweat, tears and love into this country and will band together with our allies and we have as shown by the voter data.. but if we really want a serious chance at fixing this, then you will have to reach out to your peers and help them. But before you can do that white people as a whole will have to decide as individuals which is more important..
Clinging on to the myth and cult of white superiority for the sake of your ego.. or shedding it, being completely honest with yourself about who you are as a people and learning the brutal, unvarished and painful truth and then joining forces with everyone else to fight back. By learning, you will have facts to counter the bullshit coming from your Trump supporting peers.. I say this because it is only until y'all show everyone else that you are serious as an ally and talk to your people before we can trust you enough to join forces with you. I am willing to bet that many of the women who voted for Trump, were also at the pink hat rally during his inauguration and even then, he got even more support from them in 2020, just as they will be in 2025. If white Harris supporters reached out to those in their families and showed them why this was bad and educated them, then maybe they can bring them over to our side. (insert old timey vinegar/honey metaphor here..)
White people and white women especially, have never been as trustworthy as allies, and always wanted to have it both ways as comedian Bill Burr has beautifully said himself.. they were ok with sitting next to them in privilege while they decimated everyone else, until they wanted more power and then co-opted the movements of the marginalized to make it all about themselves when they wanted to escape accountability.. so narcissism is absolutely a factor here too. As I said in my first response, I don't have as much smoke for white people as I did in 2016. But the fact remains that y'all have betrayed us again and again and then expected us to clean up your mess as an electorate.
We are doing all we can, but y'all still make up the overwhelming majority of the electorate. Even if we got those 14% of Black people who supported Trump, it is still not enough.. we know exactly who the 14% of those who went for Trump are. They were those who internalized the racism which caused their self-hate.. this was passed down too because some of our ancestors took out their frustration with racism on their families behind closed doors. This is what creates the Candace Owens types who believe that they'll be accepted by white people if they hate the same people and repeat their rhetoric. In other words, Harriet Tubman would have shot these people.. but still, even if Harris had gotten 100% of Black people, is still about 15% of the population.. and if you added all of the marginalized groups together, it still isn't enough.
Luckily our ancestors have left a library of materials and strategies for you to read to educate yourself and learn how to fight back, since it is exactly what we have been doing since the beginning, and we are still doing it today. And now, its even worse because the poor downtrodden white people who elected him, will be the ones preyed on by him and his wealthy donors the most. It is bad enough that some of these poor people traffick their children to make ends meet, just as y'all did during the Great Depression. White women finding out that they don't mean shit to their men is rough, and while it is new to them, but it has never been new to us.
In a nutshell, if we are going to have a shot at turning this around, white people will need to reach out to their peers who voted this way and explain how badly it will affect them. This will need to be done in addition to fixing the other shit that went wrong.. there is simply no way around this.
The polls show that Harris got support from white voters also. The more educated they were, the more they were likely to vote for her and they did. She pulled support from Trump among those who attended college whether they had a degree or not.
The bulk of Trump's supporters are not these people.. they are a diverse bunch. Yes, they are downtrodden, and feel left behind, but they are also uneducated and abused and because they are uneducated, they don't understand why and so their anger is misdirected. It wasn't too long ago before BIPoC were in the same position.. my ancestors likely would have been in the same position these people are, if not for the Great Migration.. my GGM had her home burned down by the Klan and she fled NC to NY for that reason and used to clean houses for Jews and Italians up here.
This is the same story of all Black people who fled the South as well.
So I get it, and honestly, I wouldnt be surprised if this led to another northbound migration under Trump. I mean the number of highly educated people out there so angry that they miss this simple point and still don't see the problem is embarrassing.. but then again, maybe they are still angry and emotional about the election and that might be clouding their judgment too.
The fact that 54% of adults in this country are illiterate is a major factor too they cannot read above 6th grade level. And as I have said before, of that 54% 15% can't read above 3rd grade level. I don't think these people are stupid, they are the victims of their states and political leaders intentionally miseducating and abusing them. The states that went for Trump are the most religious, and least educated in the union.. and they are circling the drain on every other important metric out there as well. These voters said that Harris had no policy, but the truth is that they likely couldn't read it let alone understand it. I speak both English and Spanish, but if you put something written in Greek in front of me, I won't know how to read it either.. this is what is at the heart of this issue. Education is a human right, but red states treat it as a privilege. These people dont even realize that the so called elite that they are so against, are the ones they keep voting into office.
I think that these people, much like those kids who feel left behind and were radicalized and misinformed can be reached.. and probably sooner since many of them didn't know anything about what they were voting for other than Trump promising to fix everything. They seem to have voters remorse now.
Another issue is that it seems that white women are now waking up to the fact that they really don't mean shit to their men either. Which is sad, but is something we knew from the get go. African leaders rode into battle with their wives so that she didn't fall prey to the monsters. The same was true with the American Indigenous as well.. but white women weren't much more than a broodmare and a means to an end for White Supremacy and as a woman, I feel bad for them too. The fact that a caveman is always depicted as a white man dragging "his" unconcious woman by her hair and carrying a club is telling.. and the way they ran their households in past and present times and how they are acting now since Trump won is no different. White men have always hated their women and now the women are finally realizing that.
As I have been saying, yes, it sucks that Harris lost, but there is a lot to learn from this election, and the bottom line here, is that there is a bunch we can do to fight back, and to counter the GOP's media ecosystem, but first we should start with reaching out to those who were misinformed, and show compassion to those exploited and given the voters remorse on that side since this election, I am willing to bet that it might be happening soon.. either way its worth a shot.
But BIPoC people are tired. Every election white people vote for their own interests and say fuck everybody else and then turn around and expect us to rescue the country, clean it up, coddle you while doing so and then you claim to stand with us, but stab us in the back yet again and then go about your happy white life. Case in point, Susan B. Anthony and the suffragettes successfully campaigned against voting rights for Black people in the South, after getting theirs secured in the North. White people have always been fairweather allies and we are done. We put our blood, sweat, tears and love into this country and will band together with our allies and we have as shown by the voter data.. but if we really want a serious chance at fixing this, then you will have to reach out to your peers and help them. But before you can do that white people as a whole will have to decide as individuals which is more important..
Clinging on to the myth and cult of white superiority for the sake of your ego.. or shedding it, being completely honest with yourself about who you are as a people and learning the brutal, unvarished and painful truth and then joining forces with everyone else to fight back. By learning, you will have facts to counter the bullshit coming from your Trump supporting peers.. I say this because it is only until y'all show everyone else that you are serious as an ally and talk to your people before we can trust you enough to join forces with you. I am willing to bet that many of the women who voted for Trump, were also at the pink hat rally during his inauguration and even then, he got even more support from them in 2020, just as they will be in 2025. If white Harris supporters reached out to those in their families and showed them why this was bad and educated them, then maybe they can bring them over to our side. (insert old timey vinegar/honey metaphor here..)
White people and white women especially, have never been as trustworthy as allies, and always wanted to have it both ways as comedian Bill Burr has beautifully said himself.. they were ok with sitting next to them in privilege while they decimated everyone else, until they wanted more power and then co-opted the movements of the marginalized to make it all about themselves when they wanted to escape accountability.. so narcissism is absolutely a factor here too. As I said in my first response, I don't have as much smoke for white people as I did in 2016. But the fact remains that y'all have betrayed us again and again and then expected us to clean up your mess as an electorate.
We are doing all we can, but y'all still make up the overwhelming majority of the electorate. Even if we got those 14% of Black people who supported Trump, it is still not enough.. we know exactly who the 14% of those who went for Trump are. They were those who internalized the racism which caused their self-hate.. this was passed down too because some of our ancestors took out their frustration with racism on their families behind closed doors. This is what creates the Candace Owens types who believe that they'll be accepted by white people if they hate the same people and repeat their rhetoric. In other words, Harriet Tubman would have shot these people.. but still, even if Harris had gotten 100% of Black people, is still about 15% of the population.. and if you added all of the marginalized groups together, it still isn't enough.
Luckily our ancestors have left a library of materials and strategies for you to read to educate yourself and learn how to fight back, since it is exactly what we have been doing since the beginning, and we are still doing it today. And now, its even worse because the poor downtrodden white people who elected him, will be the ones preyed on by him and his wealthy donors the most. It is bad enough that some of these poor people traffick their children to make ends meet, just as y'all did during the Great Depression. White women finding out that they don't mean shit to their men is rough, and while it is new to them, but it has never been new to us.
In a nutshell, if we are going to have a shot at turning this around, white people will need to reach out to their peers who voted this way and explain how badly it will affect them. This will need to be done in addition to fixing the other shit that went wrong.. there is simply no way around this.
CNN staffers 'deeply frustrated' as looming budget cuts, layoffs set to impact struggling network
Fox News Digital spoke with CNN insiders worried about the looming layoffs and budget cuts that are about to rattle the struggling network following the election.
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Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of hacks.....
This comment sounds as if its coming from a Kamala/ Democrat. You guys need to cheer up lmao
We get it. You soooooo funny Trump fan. Moving on...
If it is OK to hate Jews based on their race/religion..... why get upset when another group of people is added to the list?
Okay; who do you think they're coming from?
I know there coming from that group.. Democrats often say the way Donald Trump talks is worse than how your "President" talks.
Lmao yall mad she lost. Move on . MAGA 2024!
Okay, prove it or shut up.
America survived four years of him, America will survive the next four years.
You Democrats are extremely dramatic. It would be better for you to accept that she lost and not try to find false evidence.
This message is amusing. I won't stop, sir, you can't force me to shut up. It's possible that you should read what you said and received a response. I think it would be best if you were to shut up.
Another thing is that if she couldn't do her own job what makes you think she can serve as a president ?
Hey, I accept she lost; pfft. Candidates I've voted for have lost in the past and some will lose down the road.
*puts on @admin cap* That said, if you're going to say these texts are coming from Democrats, you need to show proof.
If so, we'll listen.
If not, my words from earlier stand: put up or shut up.
Your making this sound cringe lol. but eh okayHey, you're free to say whatever you want and as an admin here, I'll defend your right to say that.
I'm also free to, as one of the admins here, tell you where you may stick said comment.
If you choose to fight me on that comment, you. will. lose.
Hey, you're free to say whatever you want and as an admin here, I'll defend your right to say that.
I'm also free to, as one of the admins here, tell you where you may stick said comment.
If you choose to fight me on that comment, you. will. lose.
My heart grieves for those affected below, but you get the government you vote for so.... 🤷♂️ 
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(The Guardian) “Karen’s gotta go,” said Matthew, 32, referring to Los Angeles mayor Karen Bass. He said that if she did not resign once the immediate crisis was over, he hoped that smart people would take to the streets and demand her resignation.
He cited a number that has been circulating on social media and in some news outlets, that Bass had cut $17.6m from the fire department’s budget before the crisis, and said that, given his level of trust in politicians, he would not be surprised if one of them had pocketed the cash that should have gone to the fire department.
Politico reported on Wednesday that the reports of budget cuts were “wrong”, and that “in fact, the city’s fire budget increased more than $50m year-over-year compared to the last budget cycle.” But even if that $17.6m statistic was not accurate, Harley said. “It’s hard not to believe it when you see this.”
Their friend David, 35, said that it was concerning to see Joe Biden sending money to Ukraine and Israel, when resources were so badly needed at home. “There’s no faith in the government at all,” Matthew said.
On the other hand, he added, they did have a lot of faith in the courage of the first responders. And, he said, “I have seen a great sense of community – everyone checking in on each other,” which provided some “faith in humanity restored”.
🤷♂️(The Guardian) “Karen’s gotta go,” said Matthew, 32, referring to Los Angeles mayor Karen Bass. He said that if she did not resign once the immediate crisis was over, he hoped that smart people would take to the streets and demand her resignation.
He cited a number that has been circulating on social media and in some news outlets, that Bass had cut $17.6m from the fire department’s budget before the crisis, and said that, given his level of trust in politicians, he would not be surprised if one of them had pocketed the cash that should have gone to the fire department.
Politico reported on Wednesday that the reports of budget cuts were “wrong”, and that “in fact, the city’s fire budget increased more than $50m year-over-year compared to the last budget cycle.” But even if that $17.6m statistic was not accurate, Harley said. “It’s hard not to believe it when you see this.”
Their friend David, 35, said that it was concerning to see Joe Biden sending money to Ukraine and Israel, when resources were so badly needed at home. “There’s no faith in the government at all,” Matthew said.
On the other hand, he added, they did have a lot of faith in the courage of the first responders. And, he said, “I have seen a great sense of community – everyone checking in on each other,” which provided some “faith in humanity restored”.
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