UN: LGBTQ Equality In America "Not Within Reach"

[Webster]

You are very clearly lacking in familiarity with cross cultural and historical studies. Otherwise you would be aware that gender shows variation in both.

And to think Serafin lives in an area near one of the larger LGBTQ communities in the Southeast in Orlando.....

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I have to hand it to you, for someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about in this particular instance, you sure do push the dramatic vocabulary with tremendous consistency. Abuse, mutilation, fantasy. It's a great read!

And someone who pushes the false history propaganda is good at it.

 

[Webster]

And someone who pushes the false history propaganda is good at it.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Use it for coffee not tea😂

 

[Webster]

Use it for coffee not tea😂

 

[Scarlet Rose]

Nothing to deny in terms of a society pretending to be a different sex and accepting that you are one because you felt that way never happened until now with a portion of the population.

You are denying the historical and cross cultural variance in how people have understood, perceived and experienced gender.

Nothing to mix up it never happened in the world of biology. And yes the made up recent term of gender is the same as sex. You can’t physically be something you aren’t.

Your entire position in our disagreement has been that the biological and the sociocultural are the same thing. My stance is that they are not. Therefore sex and gender are different.

Sex and made up term gender, it’s the same.

Every single word is made up. But no, gender is the sociocultural and sex is the biological. For them to be the same would mean there is no distinction between the sociocultural and the biological.

I’m saying it’s all bullshit in past culture that sex was some fluid nonsense.

I have not at any point made that claim. Once more, I separate the biological from the sociocultural. It is only you that believes there is no distinction between biology and culture.

 

[Scarlet Rose]

And to think Serafin lives in an area near one of the larger LGBTQ communities in the Southeast in Orlando.....

A lot of Native Americans had different understandings and interpretations of gender. I wouldn't be surprised if some are/were near him as well.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

You are denying the historical and cross cultural variance in how people have understood, perceived and experienced gender.

There is no historical cross cultural experience in societies for sex confusion. At least nothing that made the slightest difference in what you are. It seems they were more sane and smarter in this time period on the subject.

Your entire position in our disagreement has been that the biological and the sociocultural are the same thing.

And it is because sex wasn’t a confusion.

My stance is that they are not.

I think I got that at this point 😂

Therefore sex and gender are different.

Gender is a made up word from the last 20th century, they are the same. You can’t be another gender or sex, period! Pretend, yes!

Every single word is made up.

No most are based on fact.

But no, gender is the sociocultural and sex is the biological.

It’s bullshit and really has no need in society.

For them to be the same would mean there is no distinction between the sociocultural and the biological.

There is no difference because you can’t change your biology.

I have not at any point made that claim. Once more, I separate the biological from the sociocultural. It is only you that believes there is no distinction between biology and culture.

At this point of the discussion I’m not sure what your claim is😂

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

A lot of Native Americans had different understandings and interpretations of gender.

No they didn’t. They had differences in culture about sex but they had no confusion on who they actually were.

I wouldn't be surprised if some are/were near him as well.

 

[Scarlet Rose]

I think I got that at this point 😂

At this point of the discussion I’m not sure what your claim is😂

Within the same post you got my stance apparently and then lost it moments later. I haven't exactly been hiding it. My stance is simply that the sociocultural and biological are not the same thing. That gender refers to the sociocultural dimensions of it and sex refers to the biological. You have however made numerous claims about the human condition which go beyond the discussion here. I have simply responded to these claims. Such as the next one that you can't change your biology.

There is no difference because you can’t change your biology.

Human biology is incredibly varied and displays itself in a lot of ways. Conceivably there is a stronger case for not being able to change our genotypes since this is not typically a level at which we can act. But with increasing understanding of the complex interactions between our biology and the sociocultural we are learning we can have more impact on our phenotypes. We can change our biology in lots of ways and when we can't directly change it we can use means to circumvent it. Although it is still quite complicated.

Gender is a made up word from the last 20th century, they are the same. You can’t be another gender or sex, period! Pretend, yes!

All words are made up. This isn't unique to the word gender. People have been inventing and modifying words for thousands of years. Not only that but the meanings and pronunciations of words can change too. The usefulness in words come from how they enable communication and understanding. Having gender and sex referring to sociocultural and biological dimensions respectively enables study and analysis of other cultures and time periods.

No they didn’t. They had differences in culture about sex but they had no confusion on who they actually were.

Their understandings of gender were different and in a lot of them they had means through which people could change their gender. It wasn't just Native Americans. It also varied in how it played out among Native Americans as well as other cultures. There were also societies that had multiple genders based on what stage of life a person is in. Similar to the difference between a girl and a woman or a boy and a man. Although these were ritualized and carried more reaching implications. People weren't choosing to change their gender, it was simply part of aging.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Within the same post you got my stance apparently and then lost it moments later. I haven't exactly been hiding it. My stance is simply that the sociocultural and biological are not the same thing.

Not what I meant, a bit of a joke.

But yes we disagree.

That gender refers to the sociocultural dimensions of it and sex refers to the biological.

Fantasy
And
Fact😂

You have however made numerous claims about the human condition which go beyond the discussion here.

Probably have, at this point I don’t remember half this conversation.

I have simply responded to these claims. Such as the next one that you can't change your biology.

And you can’t.

Human biology is incredibly varied and displays itself in a lot of ways.

Yeah, it’s pretty straight forward. Bodies are complicated but sex/gender isn’t.

Conceivably there is a stronger case for not being able to change our genotypes since this is not typically a level at which we can act.

You can’t change either.

But with increasing understanding of the complex interactions between our biology and the sociocultural we are learning we can have more impact on our phenotypes.

Understanding yes, making up shit no.

We can change our biology in lots of ways

We can’t.

and when we can't directly change it we can use means to circumvent it.

Fake it, yes.

Although it is still quite complicated.

It really isn’t, this is brain issue.

All words are made up.

Fake words and actual science based on words. We’re talking fantasy.

This isn't unique to the word gender.

Gender is made up.

People have been inventing and modifying words for thousands of years.

Based on something real we’re talking about made up shit.

Not only that but the meanings and pronunciations of words can change too.

But yet human biology can’t. So it’s a fake word.

The usefulness in words come from how they enable communication and understanding.

And we’re doing a lot of not understanding each other.

Having gender and sex referring to sociocultural and biological dimensions respectively enables study and analysis of other cultures and time periods.

It doesn’t exist.

Their understandings of gender were different and in a lot of them they had means through which people could change their gender.

Never happened in our history in terms anything like today that a society was in mass delusion.

It wasn't just Native Americans.

Correct it wasn’t

It also varied in how it played out among Native Americans as well as other cultures.

Nope!

There were also societies that had multiple genders based on what stage of life a person is in.

Not in this reality

Similar to the difference between a girl and a woman or a boy and a man. Although these were ritualized and carried more reaching implications. People weren't choosing to change their gender, it was simply part of aging.

🙄

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Maybe they were doing butt babies in this fantasy society’s from our past. This is mental illness the likes of which the world has never seen before.

 

[Webster]

You are one sick-ass .......

 

[Webster]

*continues* I went ahead and reported the posts to Instagram; hopefully they'll ban the .....

 

[PGen98]

...yeah...that's what trans women want, to shove a plastic baby up their ass...the hell are people smoking?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

*continues* I went ahead and reported the posts to Instagram; hopefully they'll ban the .....

So your reporting something that is a actual product being bought by men that want to pretend to be women🤔

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

You are one sick-ass .......

That ain’t my product or am I promoting such a idea.😂

 

[PGen98]

Your understanding of trans women is astounding, Serafin. Gets more and more wrong with every post.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Your understanding of trans women is astounding, Serafin. Gets more and more wrong with every post.

Oh I understand, and what’s happening with certain men in that community.

Definitely not all are radicalized leftist. Some are true heroes and highly decorated good people. Those I don’t have a issue with.

 

[Webster]

Oh I understand, and what’s happening with certain men in that community.

Oh, like this guy?

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