Official Politics Debate and Discussion.

[Black Angel]

Right. This is the equivalent of a gun to your head, bomb threats, you got a knife to your throat, the person holding it has a bomb vest on and someone is trying to diffuse a nuclear bomb set to go off in 15 seconds when the person doing so has spent 10 of them playing Candy Crush and accidently locked themselves out of their phone which had the instruction for diffusing said bomb while you are trying to vote with the other election day fuckery that happened.

 

[Black Angel]

Lot of people are wondering how Kamala could reach Hillary's total from 2016 but Joe Biden gets 81+ million votes in 2020?
Heck, both myself and @DrLeftover have been mulling over that one for about a day or two now....

Correct NC was fishy as well we ALL KNEW NOT TO SPLIT OUR TICKETS so how is it that Y'all went blue statewide but red for POTUS.

 

[Black Angel]

Honestly what we should do is look into how 45's buddies overseas did their elections and compare notes for ours.

Birds of a feather flock together..

And really with a narc, every accusation is a confession. So this is worth looking into.

This was from the 2016 election.

 

[Webster]

Correct NC was fishy as well we ALL KNEW NOT TO SPLIT OUR TICKETS so how is it that Y'all went blue statewide but red for POTUS.

North Carolina's long had a history of ticket-splitting; hell, I can still remember in 1996 people voted for Jim Hunt for Governor (his 4th and final term as Governor) and then turned around and voted for Jesse Helms for Senate (his 5th and final term as Senator).. Ain't no crime to split-ticket your vote; not everyone on the ballot deserves your vote strictly because of party.

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) The NAACP on Thursday condemned racist text messages referencing slavery that were sent anonymously to Black Americans this week as a contentious election was coming to an end in the United States.

The messages urged recipients in multiple states, including Alabama, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania, to report to a plantation to pick cotton, the NAACP said in a statement.

The FBI said on Thursday it was in touch with the US Justice Department and other federal authorities about the “offensive and racist messages. These actions are not normal. And we refuse to let them be normalized,” NAACP President Derrick Johnson said in a statement from the organization, which advocates for racial justice and rights for Black Americans.

High school and college students were among the recipients, the Associated Press reported.

Johnson said the messages were a reflection of Donald Trump’s presidential election victory on Tuesday.

 

[Black Angel]

North Carolina's long had a history of ticket-splitting; hell, I can still remember in 1996 people voted for Jim Hunt for Governor (his 4th and final term as Governor) and then turned around and voted for Jesse Helms for Senate (his 5th and final term as Senator).. Ain't no crime to split-ticket your vote; not everyone on the ballot deserves your vote strictly because of party.

No that I get, I am just stating the importance of not doing so for this election..

That said though, I think the most disheartening thing I've seen today, is the fact that Americans on X seem to be getting divisive and pointing fingers at each other.. a lot of the Black Twitter accounts I've seen have done the same talking about how they look forward to the deportations, etc., and this is exactly what we DON'T need to do. But then again its likely they are bots..

I can understand the sentiment regarding sitting out a protest organized by white women, but they were on our side and we got some white men too.. and who knows maybe if they reach out to their peers, we'll get even more.. this is why we need the distraught white people out there to reach out to their peers who voted against us all and try to bring them over to our side. We should be gentle (irony is dead I know.. lol) with them because they are genuinely hurt by the fact that this country really is as racist as we said it was. We've been doing this for 400 years so we are tired, but we still have fight in us, we just don't have the strength to keep rescuing the country when y'all havent put in the work talking to your peers.. The brightside here is that we left y'all a wealth of playbooks, documentaries, media, history and literature on the subject to work off of.. and we are still here. If you have questions then ask.. I can't speak for all BIPoC but I will answer your questions and if I don't have the answer I will point you to where you can get them yourself.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I am absofuckinglutely terrified as well, I am trying to be strong and positive, but friendly fire is NOT what we need now and if more white men put their power and privilege to good use by stepping up as allies and speaking out then they will be the ones that will bring about change. 45 and his crew will have no choice but to notice you since all that they do is for white men anyway. But also look into your genealogy as well, you never know what's in there and it really is a fun hobby and the fact that the last Census saw an increase in those who identify themselves as Colored and a shift away from White is exactly what 45 tried to prevent with his question fuckery. They are scared of being a minority so it would be funny if y'all effectively made them one just on principle.

Honestly, this is just a bunch of miserable wealthy people who want to spread their misery on to everyone else, their money can't buy their own happiness, but they can use it to make us all miserable which makes them happy and this is precisely why loving, supporting and standing with each other in this time is so important.

Either way, it makes me glad that I have screenshoted my lists and then deleted them. I copied my bio off X and pasted it to the other platforms I'm on like Mastodon and Spoutible.. and I intend to follow my X follows there if they are on it.. I already put in a request for my data.. not that I have ever tweeted anything. I simply can't wait to delete my X account.. and my husband will do the same.

If my request isn't granted by Saturday, I will delete the account myself.

And now, I am off to download the books on my Pinterest Book list..

 

[Webster]

Per Reuters: WASHINGTON, Nov 7 (Reuters) - The NAACP on Thursday condemned racist text messages referencing slavery that were sent anonymously to Black Americans this week as a contentious election was coming to an end in the United States. The messages urged recipients in multiple states, including Alabama, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania, to report to a plantation to pick cotton, the NAACP said in a statement.

The FBI said on Thursday it was in touch with the U.S. Justice Department and other federal authorities about the "offensive and racist messages."
Advertisement. "These actions are not normal. And we refuse to let them be normalized," NAACP President Derrick Johnson said in a statement from the organization, which advocates for racial justice and rights for Black Americans.

High school and college students were among the recipients, the Associated Press reported.

Johnson said the messages were a reflection of Donald Trump's presidential election victory on Tuesday, which sent shockwaves through Black American communities.

 

[Webster]

My guess offhand w/out knowing anything else?

A bunch of borscht-eating, vodka-drinking Russians are trying to seriously fucking interfere in the post-election process; I honestly doubt its' a lone individual and the incoming adminstration has enough shit to deal with; remember, despite the supposed friendship btwn Trump and Putin during his first administration, the Russians were still trying to gin things up....

 

[Black Angel]

My guess offhand w/out knowing anything else?

A bunch of borscht-eating, vodka-drinking Russians are trying to seriously fucking interfere in the post-election process; I honestly doubt its' a lone individual and the incoming adminstration has enough shit to deal with; remember, despite the supposed friendship btwn Trump and Putin during his first administration, the Russians were still trying to gin things up....

Da Comrade.

This should be considered an act of war. It is terrorism.

 

[Webster]

This should be considered an act of war.

Let's say it is; what next?

 

[Black Angel]

Let's say it is; what next?

Honestly I don't know nor do I want to think about it..

 

[Webster]

Honestly I don't know nor do I want to think about it..

Hence why I asked that question, Angel.

 

[DrLeftover]

Harris is already campaigning for '28.

 

[Webster]

Harris is already campaigning for '28.

She never made it to the primaries in 2020 and didn't get a single vote this go-round, having essentially been selected to replace Biden (who should've decided not to run a lot sooner than he did) and despite having everything given to her by the Media and Celebrity Arms of the Democratic Party, she still managed to lose to a 34-count convicted felon and serial sexual predator.

She's cooked politically.

 

[DrLeftover]

She never made it to the primaries in 2020 and didn't get a single vote this go-round, having essentially been selected to replace Biden (who should've decided not to run a lot sooner than he did) and despite having everything given to her by the Media and Celebrity Arms of the Democratic Party, she still managed to lose to a 34-count convicted felon and serial sexual predator.

She's cooked politically.

Wasn't that also said about some orange faced blowhard that kept saying stupid shit in front of TV cameras not all that long ago?


And then there was this guy:

“As I leave you, I want you to know, just think how much you’re going to be missing. You won’t have Nixon to kick around anymore because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference.”

 

[Webster]

Wasn't that also said about some orange faced blowhard that kept saying stupid shit in front of TV cameras not all that long ago?


And then there was this guy:

In the case of Trump, no one ever thought he'd return; the Left's overarching strategy was to weigh him down with so much lawfare that he'd either give in, get convicted and/or keel over and die from it all.

In Nixon's case, he had eight years as Eisenhower's VP to bank on plus his time representing what was then a then-swing state; Harris, on the other hand, has been a liberal stalwart for California and Americans pretty much rejected her. Now she could run for the Democratic nomination in 2028 but given her past performances in 2020 and now in 2024 do you seriously think Dems' would give her a third bite of the apple?

 

[Webster]

Dems open can of worms by asking about millions of 2020 Biden voters who somehow disappeared in 2024 | Blaze Media

Democrats and the media unwittingly highlighted the anomalous nature of Biden's support in 2020.

www.theblaze.com

American citizens who in recent years raised questions about possible voter fraud in the 2020 election were censored, deplatformed, and stigmatized. The results of the 2024 election appear, however, to have vindicated such skeptics, at least in their understanding that there was something anomalous about the number of votes Joe Biden supposedly received.

The official story regarding the 2020 election is that President Donald Trump received 74.2 million votes and Biden received 81.2 million votes — a combined total of over 155 million votes.

According to Decision Desk HQ's latest count, Trump secured over 73.2 million votes in Tuesday's election and Kamala Harris received 68.6 million votes — a combined total of around 141.8 million, with some votes still left to be counted in states such as California. At the time of publication, CNN had the numbers at 72.8 million for Trump and 68.1 million for Harris.

For some sense of historical context, in 2016, Trump secured 62.9 million votes and Hillary Clinton secured 65.8 million votes, and in 2012, former Utah Sen. Mitt Romney netted 60.9 million votes and President Barack Obama secured 65.9 million votes.

Harris' performance, as measured by the popular vote, appears to be more or less in line with Clinton's and Obama's. Biden's supposed result, on the other hand, stands out like a sore thumb.

'Every f***ing time except 2020.'
On Wednesday, Democrats and their allies in the liberal media started asking how they could have record turnout in the 2024 election yet still have Harris net tens of millions fewer voters than Biden did four years ago. By raising this question and in some cases suggesting that Trump must have cheated, Democrats unwittingly prompted renewed concerns among their counterparts about the legitimacy of the previous election.

Zerohedge shared a graph on X comparing the popular vote results in the 2012, 2016, 2020, and 2024 elections, writing, "Sorry to beat a dead horse, but can we go back to what happened here?"

"Yes, let's do go back. American voters want and deserve to know precisely where 81 million 'votes' appeared from and how all the official 2020 evidence collected via courts and states has never been properly analyzed, summarized and presented," wrote Rasmussen Reports. "It's a huge public topic."

BlazeTV contributor T.J. Moe responded, "There is not a single honest person in America, who believes Joe Biden get [sic] 81 million votes. Last night made it clear 2020 was stolen. History will acknowledge this."

Former Republican National Committee spokeswoman Madison Gesiotto Gilbert asked, "Where'd all the Democrats go?"

The glaring discrepancy also caught the eye of last-minute Trump supporter Joe Rogan, who noted on his show after Trump's latest landslide victory, "It's so crazy. You look at it and you go, 'Is this real?'"

Rogan noted that the consensus in the lead-up to the 2024 election was that it was "one of the most consequential elections ever," such that there was some expectation that voters would turn out for Harris in similar numbers as they supposedly had for Biden in 2020. "Look at the difference in how many people voted for Biden in 2020. It's unprecedented. It's way higher than any other time," said Rogan. "This is what's crazy: They're consistent. Look, they're all like 60 — look at where the number is. It's all like 65 million. ... Every f***ing time except 2020, and in 2020 it goes way the f*** up."

Nathan Hughes of Arkansas, one of the Jan. 6 protesters prosecuted by the Biden-Harris Department of Justice, noted, "Obama got 69M votes. Kamala got 68M votes. But they want us to believe Joe Biden somehow got 81M votes and won, despite losing nearly every bellweather county? They raided our homes and sent us to jail for asking where those extra 13M votes came from."

Hughes speculated, "They couldn't manufacture and pump them into the system like they did during Covid."

When pressed about what might have changed, YouTuber David Freiheit, known under his online pseudonym "Viva Frei," similarly suggested that this time around, they didn't have limitless ballots like they did in 2020. In 2020 they mailed out ballots to everyone. Changed the rules for indefinite confinement, drop boxes, never did signature matches in Georgia, etc. It was designed to facilitate ballot harvesting so they could just come up with the ballots to meet whatever number was required to win the election. Plus they had the cover of Twitter which was not yet controlled by Elon. And the courts never stepped in like they did this time around.
Some conservatives are hopeful that with a Republican trifecta at the federal level, there will soon be answers and accountability.

"This entire phony thing is getting swept out," the newly liberated Steve Bannon said ahead of Trump's victory speech Wednesday morning. "Biden's getting swept out. Kamala Harris is getting swept out. MSNBC is getting swept out. The Justice Department is getting swept out. The FBI's getting swept out. You people suck, OK? And now you're going to pay the price for trying to destroy this country."

Bannon, who has long complained about alleged election shenanigans in 2020, added, "[Trump] may be empathetic. He may have a kind heart. He may be a good man. But we're not. And you deserve ... not retribution, justice."

The liberal media rushed to reassure the public the 2020 election was legitimate. The Associated Press — which has done a great deal in recent months to undermine its credibility, particularly with false reports about Israel's defensive war against Hamas, Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), and Project 2025 — published a "fact-check" Wednesday titled, "FACT FOCUS: A multimillion vote gap between 2020 and 2024 fuels false election narratives."

The AP article stated that "claims of widespread fraud in 2020 have been debunked countless times" and suggested that the final count might greatly narrow the delta between Biden's unprecedented result and Harris' more conventional result. Once the remainder of the votes are counted and finalized, Americans will have a better sense of exactly how anomalous the 2020 election really was.

 

[DrLeftover]

From the BBC:

Democrats had bet on women showing up in force. They didn’t​

At least one thing was taken for granted before voting day - women across the US were going to turn out for Kamala Harris.

Just as months of relentless polling showed Harris in a virtual tie with Donald Trump, many of those same surveys told the story of a yawning gender gap.

It was a strategy Harris’s team was betting on, hoping that an over-performance among women could make up for losses elsewhere.

It didn’t happen.

Across the country, the majority of women did cast their ballots for Harris, but not by the historic margins she needed. Instead, if early exit polls bear out, Harris’s advantage among women overall - around 10 points - actually fell four points short of Joe Biden’s in 2020.

More:

Democrats bet on women showing up in force. They didn’t.

All the talk before the vote was of a huge gender gap, but it didn't happen. Why was that?

www.bbc.com

 

[Black Angel]

On the first question, I want to say a lot but from what everything I saw in the run=up to the election, not as much as expected. One thing Trump supporters got very damn good at was hiding their support for Donald Trump. Yes, there were Trump signs out but a lot fewer than what I saw either in 2016 or 2020 (and Western NC is a relative GOP stronghold) and when asked why, they straight-up told people they were tired of being browbeaten by others over their support for Trump (again, remember, perception vs. reality) and so most all of them simply hid their Trump signs and waited until election time and took out their frustrations at the ballot box.

That said, as someone who's suffered from mental illness the past few years (including a failed suicide attempt in Oct. 2021) I've had people ask me why I supported Kamala Harris and I told them it was a combo of her policies and my loathing/dislike for Trump (for which I got thrown the TDS label often for). But do I think Trump supporters are mentally ill or illiterate? For most of them, no to either one; most were entirely cogent and sound of mind in their support for him.

On the second question, when it comes to the media I always go by Ronald Reagan's famous quote "Dovery, no provery." (Russian for "Trust, but verify.") Don't trust anything you see/hear/read in the mainstream press until you can either (a) prove it with another source or (b) disprove it w/another source. Don't just take on faith that what the media says is legit and that applies across the board - Left, Right, doesn't matter. We can't simply take what the media says and shrugs as if to say "Okay, I believe you."

Read, learn, listen, study - never let your mind grow idle or lazy. Keep it busy as much as possible, even if you're recycling past things; a lot of the issue w/media illiteracy and the lack of CT (critical thinking) skills is that we've (and this is across society, Angel) allowed ourselves to outsource those skills to media hacks who lie, cheat and misinfo at every opportunity.

Just look at all the polls going in that were nigh-identical to each other, over and over again. Herding, they called it; I think it was more of the pollsters/media not wanting to go against the crowd and acting accordingly, an even more dangerous thing than what you asked above.

I am very sorry to hear that things got so bad that you considered ending it. I am happy that you are still with us. I have been there myself so I understand, but it does get better. Sending love and light your way.

That being said, I regret to inform you that you were gaslit and DARVO'd by the people who asked you about your support for Harris.

They asked the question in bad faith, and when you answered honestly, they DARVO'd you. Just know that when you did this, you got under their skin and put them on defense.. because your answer conflicted their fantasy and then, they projected their TDS on to you. This is exactly why I have been beating the drum of studying narcissism and narcissistic abuse and this is precisely why it is important that you continue speaking your truth regardless. Don't argue with them, because it will only legitimize their absurdity which was how we got here. The response to this is to learn and use the "grey rock" method.. doing so deprives them of their supply and they will move on to someone else.

Dr. Ramani is considered the expert on narcissism and narcissistic abuse. She has a bunch of videos on YouTube and there are a lot of other accounts I follow like Mentalhealness who is a clinically diagnosed narcissist who uses his platform to help others who were abused by them. The reason that this issue remains illusive in the mental health community, is because a narc won't go to therapy as they think they are perfect. Psychologists only know about this because they have only been able to treat the victims of narcissistic abuse.

In my reasearch, I have learned that narcissistic abuse has been codified in the Bible which is exactly why so many evangelical Christian Nationalists support it. This is why they DON'T align with Jesus' teachings. Women are scape goated in the Bible, and thusly hated, and they have always claimed the Bible supported their actions and politicians and SCOTUS justices have been caught doing the same thing. These people aren't Christian, they are narcissists.

They simply use their "faith" to provide cover for their own depravity and inhumanity and to deflect criticism of their behavior. They just co-opted and perverted Christianity, in the same way the Nazis co-opted and perverted the swastika from Sanskrit. So fighting back is the right thing to do here as they stole something that wasn't theirs to begin with. This is probably the reason that this country has become less religious. These people know they are losing power and they are fighting hard to cling to it. This is why telling the truth about history and learning about NPD and its abuse is key to fighting back.

Also the polls that you mentioned, were found to have been paid for by the GOP and foreign actors as well. They followed Bannon's playbook of flooding the zone with bullshit, so that no one knew what was true. Alsocmost of our media is owned by his supporters, and South African oligarchs have been buying up our most trusted newspapers as well.. this was why the biggest ones refused to endorse Harris.

When Trump said the media was the enemy of the people, he was projecting his intent to make it so. Remember with a narc, every accusation is a confession. The polls were never legit, but it doesn't matter as they did their job. Now its time for us to put our heads down, educate ourselves and those we care about and then organize with the other existing groups for marginalized people. White people have an entire library of materials to work with to do so to form their own group to fight back since y'all are now marginalized too. This is something our BIPoC ancestors, had to figure out on their own.

 

[DrLeftover]

I find it fascinating to sit back and listen to the statements from the losing side in 24, that sounds an awful lot like the losing side in 20, which sounded like the losing side in 16...... remember the wake in New York with Mrs. Clinton and some of what was said then?